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Important Poll. Regligion With US . UK
Topic Started: Mar 3 2006, 11:16 AM (2,042 Views)
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anyone who would like to debate.
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Mar 4 2006, 12:17 AM
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*High fives Katara*

Me too. :)


:) *High fives mage* lol

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just because you were raised like that doesn't mean you have to believe it


True, but i choose to. ;)

high-five to you too ;)

just because i've never seen god, mage and katara are right, its how we were brought up. and just because i dont have to believe it, doesnt mean i wont, im not going to act stupid and act as if some dumb big bang explosion caused the universe to be created. you dont like me believing in god deal with it you dont have to say "just because someone told you to believe in him doesn't mean you have to". you dont hear me saying "you should believe in god"
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This is what most ppl in Britian belives, SEEING is beliving, Heard of it?. if i aint seen one, then theres is'nt one.

heh....one word-FAITH.

Oh and good points, RM. ;)

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im not going to act stupid and act as if some dumb big bang explosion caused the universe to be created.

Some "dumb" big bang explosion? It holds better ground then something that has no proof.
And "acting stupid", and finding the answer to the beginning of the universe do not come hand-in-hand.

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you dont hear me saying "you should believe in god"

Your right. I dont. But I do believe you can put up a better arguement then calling science stupid. Which by the way is the complete opposite.
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quick question. Which one would people in Australia vote for?
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Mar 4 2006, 05:45 PM
im not going to act stupid and act as if some dumb big bang explosion caused the universe to be created.

I wouldn't go as far to say it is 'dumb' because it is quite well stated.

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

That was written in 1997, obviously there is more to it now and that is just a basic version, but, its more proof than the exsistance of some grater being creating the universe, I could say that I'm not going to belive in some dumb grater being creating the universe, but I'm not because that would be insulting your belife and you sould respect what I belive by not calling the big bang theroy dumb.

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you dont like me believing in god deal with it


You're opinion doesn't affect my opinion so I wouldn't have a problem unless you make it one.

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you dont have to say "just because someone told you to believe in him doesn't mean you have to".


Well, you don't have to, but if that is what you wish to belive, I don't care, thats your opinion and you are entitled to that.

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you dont hear me saying "you should believe in god"


No, I don't and that is a good thing because you are not forcing people to belive in what you belive, though, you could make an argument to persuade people, I wouldn't take it because it isn't my opinion.

Katara: Faith is one word, like Hope, its not reliable. If you hope something will happen, it might not same as if you have Faith in something happening, its just a word that resembles Luck.
Personally, I belive in Certian and Will ;)

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*claps for Killer* couldnt agree more^^
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All i believe in is myself, and i belive in the poeple i love. They are my gods or better angels...
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aww thats sweet! i myself am an atheist and i don't particularly believe in love...not of real people anyway..
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you dont hear me saying "you should believe in god"


No, I don't and that is a good thing because you are not forcing people to belive in what you belive, though, you could make an argument to persuade people, I wouldn't take it because it isn't my opinion.

Katara: Faith is one word, like Hope, its not reliable. If you hope something will happen, it might not same as if you have Faith in something happening, its just a word that resembles Luck.
Personally, I belive in Certian and Will ;)

Super 17: No idea.

Who said that like?.

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, I belive in Certian and Will

Ditto, then its 100% clear.

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I was raised to be Catholic, but I never really believed in God. The Bible (or really any holy scripture) is just a very old fairy tale. Although I do believe that things happen for a reason and that there is a balance of energy (karma), but other than that I don´t get very religious.
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Killer: Faith and "Luck" have absolutely nothing to do w/ each other. They're two totally different things. Faith is believing in something. Luck is just....well, luck. It's got nothing to do with God or other religious beliefs.

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Killer: Faith and "Luck" have absolutely nothing to do w/ each other. They're two totally different things. Faith is believing in something. Luck is just....well, luck. It's got nothing to do with God or other religious beliefs.

Oh but it does. I know you don't see it so let me explain.
Faith: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

Luck: an unknown and unpredictable phenomenon that causes an event to result one way rather than another

It says that faith is, "belief in a supernatural power."
So would it not be safe to agree that god is also, "an unknown and unpredictable phenomenon that causes an event to result one way rather than another."

The thinker knows that luck is not an option. We know that people call it luck, but its actually dictated by random outcomes, cause and effect, and chaos.

"my tire popped." "what luck."
Actually there is no luck involved. It just so happens that you hit a nail on the way to work. Its a random outcome, and an uncertainty.

So luck = faith. While you think of faith as the longing for such an event as the rapture, the meaning behind it is much more grand than meets the eye. Lets also examine faith.

Faith as a whole is an uncertainty like no other. You know from what you've been told and read that god exists. Therefore you have faith. But wait, you say its a feeling? That feeling is nothing more than a psychological term. If you believe something is going to happen, you feel objective to it. This entitles you to the feeling of faith. Something that you know is right and will defend it to your death. Well have you ever stopped to think you were wrong? Try it sometime and question, "faith." The human mind questions many things. So why does it not question indoctrination? Mine has.

Also, if you think god controls everything in your life, then if something in your life goes wrong then you have to accurately adjust to the circumstance. Say your cat dies. Did god want your cat to die? I'm sure such an un-faulty god would not make a harmless cat die out of spite. The cat died for a reason. Everything happens for a reason. God did not put that cat in front of that car. The cat got in the way of the car. Its an uncertainty. Cause and effect.
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True.

Plus, most of you were brought up beliving in God...dont you think thats wroung?, i thought you had to make that decition?.

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Plus, most of you were brought up beliving in God...dont you think thats wroung?, i thought you had to make that decition?.

Depends really on your family. In mine I was raised to believe in God, but they support my desicion not to. I think it becomes wrong when your family forces you to be religious or at least doesn´t allow you to be exposed to different beliefs and/or non-belief.
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