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vegeta; here you talk about vegeta and argue
Topic Started: Feb 7 2006, 03:58 PM (6,321 Views)
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This is how it goes dark blade, if you say you dont like Vegeta because he only thinks of himself (at least in the early days) i can respect that

If you say you dont like Vegeta because he gets cocky in his fights and ends up losing them, i can respect that

I disagree with both statements but would respect them

When you start saying Vegeta is a wimp, thats called a blatent lie, a saiyan with that amount of power can not be a wimp, maybe weaker than some, but no god damn wimp

So saying Vegeta is a wimp, you will get no respect from me.
Its my attitude deal with it


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Fine I won't ask for it anymore then but I will respect your polls even if you don't give any to me. Like I said I am someone who cares less about what ppl think of myself since I have been made fun of for about 11-12 years yet I still respect those ppl. So go ahead be rude I will just ignore the rudeness and get back to the matter at hand.

Alright to get back on the topice Vegeta is someone who can be respected to the most the extent of the show yet is very hotheaded. His pride gtes in his way of makeing the right descisions when it comes to his fights.

For example With him wanting more power to go against Goku. He wanted to take the risk of being controled by evil (Luckily he wasn't) to be beat Goku yet he still didn't even stand a chance. He also helped babidi release Buu just so he could prove to Goku that he was strong enough to beat him. He also killed innocent citizens to get what he wants. So in fact he was putting everyone in danger just to prove that he was strong. When Buu was released Vegeta also wanted to prove that he was strong enough to kill Buu even though he knew he would lose without Goku's help. Instead he went off and killed himself.

Goku in the mean while had respect for Vegeta. He new that if he didn't train in the Other world he would have lost and there was nothing to it. All in all Goku new that Vegeta was strong and had nothing but respect for him. He also forgave him for what he did.
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Apr 28 2006, 04:04 PM
For example With him wanting more power to go against Goku. He wanted to take the risk of being controled by evil (Luckily he wasn't) to be beat Goku yet he still didn't even stand a chance. He also helped babidi release Buu just so he could prove to Goku that he was strong enough to beat him. He also killed innocent citizens to get what he wants. So in fact he was putting everyone in danger just to prove that he was strong. When Buu was released Vegeta also wanted to prove that he was strong enough to kill Buu even though he knew he would lose without Goku's help. Instead he went off and killed himself.

why didnt vegeta stand a chance? He actually won in the end
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He didn't stand a chance because goku could have went ssj3 but he didn't because that would lessen his time on earth more. Vegeta won because goku thought that they both were going to fight buu together so he reverted to get his beans out of his pocket. Thats when vegeta bsed him and knocked him out.
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Apr 28 2006, 06:34 PM
He didn't stand a chance because goku could have went ssj3 but he didn't because that would lessen his time on earth more. Vegeta won because goku thought that they both were going to fight buu together so he reverted to get his beans out of his pocket. Thats when vegeta bsed him and knocked him out.

it doesnt matter that goku could've gone ss3. He didnt and thats all that matters. And he didnt bs him in my eyes. To me, respect doesnt matter in a fight.

In a fight, there are limits to what some1 can do. Things people can do, and things people cant do. Vegeta had the option of knocking goku out, and he did
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*sigh* fine fine I will back down. :p I don't want to get too many ppl mad at me now do I. :D :D :D :D
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Why are we arguing? The question was all about Vegeta. Could Vegeta had beaten Goku when he was Majin Vegeta. Probably not, because Goku could have went ssj3 and could have beaten Vegeta. However, like I said, Vegeta doesn't make stupid mistakes like Goku does. If Goku wasn't strong, he would have paid many times for his mistakes. You know if I was going into a fight I know that I would feel safer with Vegeta, because he knows how to finish his opponent. He doesn't show any pitty, or remorse.

For example, in Dragonball Gt. Ssj4 Goku could have blantly finish the 3 star dragon, instead he falls for his begging and pleading. If that's Vegeta the 3 star dragon would have been in a million pieces, and blown into oblivion. Instead Goku suffered the consequences by being blinded. Since it's DBGT, and it wasn't that good anyway, well that was just an example.

As far as pure power goes, I am going to say this again. Goku has always done well again his opponents because of one thing, HIS POWERFUL ATTACKS. It's not because he is better than Vegeta, it's because he just has better attacks, that are more poweful. Now I am not saying Final flash and Big Bang are not powerful, because they are as deadly as can be, but as far as stronger attacks goku. Goku definitely has the edge.

One other thing, Vegeta is not a wimp. I hate when people say that it's just as bad as when they say Chichi is annoying. First of all Vegeta in Broly Movie, get over it. I can name about a million instances where he was brave and fought. You don't put yourself in their shoes, you just watch them and be hypicritical in saying, oh yeah they are annoying or they are wimps. Please if I saw Broly, I wouldn't be sitting there, I would be running! I mean can you blame him?
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Ok whatever Bye. :@ :@ :@ :@ >:[ >:[ >:[ >:[ Later to all and to all a good night.
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Chichi, don't forget that Vegeta likes to play around with his enemies & give them opportunites.
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You have a point Uub. I know he sometimes likes to play with his enemies, but at the same time when he does finish them off he gets the job done. He doesn't have hesitated moments like Goku does. Vegeta the only instance I remember him playing around with his opponent was with Cell's 2nd form and his first fight with Goku. Other than that Vegeta has been pretty consistant on blowing his enemies to oblivion. I think I would rather Vegeta play around with his enemy, and smack him around a bit for killing a lot of people (pay back time!), then having Goku hand a nice senzu bean to Cell so Cell could recover. That in itself is just ludicrous.

Let's use Frieza as an example. Goku was careless and didn't finish him off. If that is Vegeta in the same situation, I highly doubt you will see Frieza planning revenge (maybe in the HFIL) and coming to Earth.
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LOL true but Goku gave cell one because he wanted Gohan to beat him as he was at his fulliest not when he was weakened. Just wouldn't be fair. It also shows honor. :) :) I know I have weird ideals but oh well. just gotta live wit it.
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It wouldn't have been honorable if Gohan had lost and the whole world would have blown up! Lol I mean I can see what you are saying about how he made it fair, but is Cell trying to make it fair for the Z fighters? Not really. I mean you gotta play rough, if you are too soft you will get taken out. Vegeta would have just taken him out, without any fairness. Cell killed a lot of people, why must we be honorable and fair too him? Lol just kill the b******
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It always seemed to me liek vegeta loved finishing off weaker opponents. I wonder why he had a change of heart against secoind stage cell. If he was fighting him in the Freeza saga, he woulda cut loose and pwned him. I guess he just wanted to test his new found powers out on cell at his fullest to see what he could do. Big Mistake
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Vegeta loves a good battle with someone who's his equal. He finds battles with weaker opponents to be boring which is why he let Cell become perfect.
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Actually, if you remember in episode 59, When Vegeta is fighting Jeice, i remember him saying "Unlike the saiyan you've been fighting (referring to when Jeice was fighting Goku) I get excited at the prospect of finishing off a weaker opponent. AND YOU'RE MUCH WEAKER THAN ME!"

But ur right Uub. I think vegeta's whole mindset changed when he became a super saiyan, and wanted to fight good battles, and viewed weaker opponents as a waste of air.
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