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SSj Blue Goku (Beginning of Z) VS Z
Topic Started: Jul 11 2018, 10:12 PM (704 Views)
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All this is unnecessary though, GT shouldn't have no bearing on how strong Super Saiyan God is. I'm not faulting at you at all though Notaka, but using GT just further inflates the boost, which is unnecessary since GT and Super don't coexist.

I mean it's good but it isn't really reliable per se to based it off a feat or statement in GT. My opinion though.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
I mean there is no God boost so No god boost in this case.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
I mean there is no God boost so No god boost in this case.
Yeah you know I strongly disagree with you on that one lol.

If theres no ritual and no associated God Boost then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell imo
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
I don't know, is this what you mean?

BoG saga

Goku: 1
-SSJ: 50
-SSJ2: 100
-SSJ3: 400
-SSJGod: 640,000
-SSJ (Post-God): 640,000
-Base (Post-God): 12,800

RoF saga

Goku: 500
-SSJ: 25,000
-SSJ2: 50,000
-SSJ3: 200,000
-SBGod: 400,000
-SSJGod: 800,000
-SSJBlue: 40,000,000

Edit: Wait I messed up I think

Edit 2: There we go, what you think?
Edited by Solid Snake, Yesterday, 6:16 AM.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
I don't know, is this what you mean?

BoG saga

Goku: 1
-SSJ: 50
-SSJ2: 100
-SSJ3: 400
-SSJGod: 1,600
-SSJ (Post-God): 1,600
-Base (Post-God): 32

RoF saga

Goku: 40
-SSJ: 2,000
-SSJ2: 4,000
-SSJ3: 16,000
-SBGod: 32,000
-SSJGod: 64,000
-SSJBlue: 3,200,000

Edit: Wait I messed up I think
Take out the "SBG" part and that is what I meant exactly. Saiyan Bwyons God is movies only. It isnt in DBS. So just carry over the 12,800 Basevalue into RoF you had for base amd then add any gains thriugh training he got from Whis. Essentially in a nutshell it looks like:

SSJ3 Goku: 1
SSG Goku: 20,000
SSJ Goku (post-ritual): 20,000
Base Goku(post-ritual): 400

RoF Base Goku: 800 ish

If we assume he got 2x stronger through training with Whis. But again, just take out the "Saiyan Beyond God" part.
Edited by PF18, Yesterday, 6:23 AM.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
I don't know, is this what you mean?

BoG saga

Goku: 1
-SSJ: 50
-SSJ2: 100
-SSJ3: 400
-SSJGod: 1,600
-SSJ (Post-God): 1,600
-Base (Post-God): 32

RoF saga

Goku: 40
-SSJ: 2,000
-SSJ2: 4,000
-SSJ3: 16,000
-SBGod: 32,000
-SSJGod: 64,000
-SSJBlue: 3,200,000

Edit: Wait I messed up I think
Take out the "SBG" part and that is what I meant exactly. Saiyan Bwyons God is movies only. It isnt in DBS
Without Saiyan Beyond God, how is Goku and Vegeta able to make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a joke?

The only way I see it is if their Base is equal to that of Super Saiyan God post the training.

Goku: 1,600
-SSJ: 80,000
-SSJ2: 160,000
-SSJ3: 640,000
-SSJGod: 1,024,000,000
-SSJBlue: 51,200,000,000

Yeah it still gives me 32,000,000x like before.

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In the anime, base Goku and Final Form Frieza fighting was noted by Krillin and Gohan to move too fast to be seen, while they had previously saw Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus' movements.


Generally, speed is associated with power, and this implies Goku RoF saga is at least as fast or faster (and stronger) than Super Saiyan God Goku BoG saga.
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
I don't know, is this what you mean?

BoG saga

Goku: 1
-SSJ: 50
-SSJ2: 100
-SSJ3: 400
-SSJGod: 1,600
-SSJ (Post-God): 1,600
-Base (Post-God): 32

RoF saga

Goku: 40
-SSJ: 2,000
-SSJ2: 4,000
-SSJ3: 16,000
-SBGod: 32,000
-SSJGod: 64,000
-SSJBlue: 3,200,000

Edit: Wait I messed up I think
Take out the "SBG" part and that is what I meant exactly. Saiyan Bwyons God is movies only. It isnt in DBS
Without Saiyan Beyond God, how is Goku and Vegeta able to make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a joke?

The only way I see it is if their Base is equal to that of Super Saiyan God post the training.

Goku: 1,600
-SSJ: 80,000
-SSJ2: 160,000
-SSJ3: 640,000
-SSJGod: 1,024,000,000
-SSJBlue: 51,200,000,000

Yeah it still gives me 32,000,000x like before.
Well the figure you gave before with 12,800 should be enough to destroy SSJ3 gotenks.

So again:

SSJ3 Goku: 1
SSG Goku: 20,000
SSJ (poat-ritual):20,000
Base (post-ritual): 400

So after the BoG arc Goku's base is 400x SSJ3 Goku. And through his training with Whis and the 3 years in the ROSAT I'd estimate he would get arouns 3x stronger so 1,200x SSJ3 Goku.

And 1200x stronger than SSJ3 Goku is morr than enough to dominate SSJ3 Gotenks. Saiyan Beyond God is not needed nor is it hinted in any way at any point in the story.

I think a big difference here is I think Goku received a 20,000x boost from Super Saiyan God to go from being fodder to Ultimate Gohan to being superior to SSJ3 Vegetto, while you have it as only a 4x boost.

As far as the sight being involved, most of the fight happened in space where Kururin couldnt see. Prior to that Goku was still acclimating to his SSG powers. Besides that sight stuff is super inconsistent. And honestly I dont even recall such a comment and I dont really trust DB wiki.
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I'm gonna say this now. do not turn a third post into a god boost debate, you two. Or I will have the admins lock this.
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I'm gonna say this now. do not turn a third post into a god boost debate, you two. Or I will have the admins lock this.
That's fair I apologize. But you know it will always come up lol
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Depends solely on whether or not he gets the ritual and the resulting god boost and THEN SSB or if he just gets SSB. If it is the former then he clears the list and if it is the latter then he loses to Semi-Perfect Cell.
What you mean just Blue?
As in if we just use the SSB multiplier here. Or if we assume he foes the ritual and gets rhe assoviated "god boost" he got from it.
That makes no sense. That's like saying Super Saiyan 3 is JUST 4x increase of base power.

Blue being 50x doesn't mean it's a mere 50x base, it's 50x Super Saiyan God, which is 640,000x Super Saiyan 3, which is 4x Super Saiyan 2, which is 2x Super Saiyan, which is 50x whatever the base is. So in my case:

Blue is 32,000,000x base, not 50x
No that isnt at all the paralell. Goku received a large bopst to ALL of his forms when he absorbed the power through SSG. This is just a power boost that he received that is entirely separate from the multipliers of the respective forms.
I don't know, is this what you mean?

BoG saga

Goku: 1
-SSJ: 50
-SSJ2: 100
-SSJ3: 400
-SSJGod: 1,600
-SSJ (Post-God): 1,600
-Base (Post-God): 32

RoF saga

Goku: 40
-SSJ: 2,000
-SSJ2: 4,000
-SSJ3: 16,000
-SBGod: 32,000
-SSJGod: 64,000
-SSJBlue: 3,200,000

Edit: Wait I messed up I think
Take out the "SBG" part and that is what I meant exactly. Saiyan Bwyons God is movies only. It isnt in DBS
Without Saiyan Beyond God, how is Goku and Vegeta able to make Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks look like a joke?

The only way I see it is if their Base is equal to that of Super Saiyan God post the training.

Goku: 1,600
-SSJ: 80,000
-SSJ2: 160,000
-SSJ3: 640,000
-SSJGod: 1,024,000,000
-SSJBlue: 51,200,000,000

Yeah it still gives me 32,000,000x like before.
Well the figure you gave before with 12,800 should be enough to destroy SSJ3 gotenks.

So again:

SSJ3 Goku: 1
SSG Goku: 20,000
SSJ (poat-ritual):20,000
Base (post-ritual): 400

So after the BoG arc Goku's base is 400x SSJ3 Goku. And through his training with Whis and the 3 years in the ROSAT I'd estimate he would get arouns 3x stronger so 1,200x SSJ3 Goku.

And 1200x stronger than SSJ3 Goku is morr than enough to dominate SSJ3 Gotenks. Saiyan Beyond God is not needed nor is it hinted in any way at any point in the story.

I think a big difference here is I think Goku received a 20,000x boost from Super Saiyan God to go from being fodder to Ultimate Gohan to being superior to SSJ3 Vegetto, while you have it as only a 4x boost.

As far as the sight being involved, most of the fight happened in space where Kururin couldnt see. Prior to that Goku was still acclimating to his SSG powers. Besides that sight stuff is super inconsistent.
Nah I messed that one up I think.

I basically have it as:

Buu saga

Vegito: 0.01
-SSJ: 0.5
-SSJ2: 1
-SSJ3: 4

BoG saga

SSJGod Goku: 6
-SSJ: 6
-Base (Post-God): 0.12

RoF saga

Goku: 6
-SSJ: 300
-SSJ2: 600
-SSJ3: 2,400
-SSJGod: 1,536,000,000
-SSJBlue: 76,800,000,000

Edit: Sorry my bad lol.

Edit 2: Btw, I'm not entirely sure on how I'm supposed to use Blue then. Am I just using the multiplier or the boost i have it giving? Cause the former just makes it Super Saiyan which won't help him against even Oozaru Vegeta.
Edited by Solid Snake, Yesterday, 6:44 AM.
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