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How far does Goku Blue (beginning of Z/418 Power Level) Go?
Saiyajin Arc Raditz Nappa Vegeta Oozaru Vegeta
Namek Arc Ginyu Force 1st Form Frieza 2nd Form Frieza 3rd Form Frieza 50% Frieza 100% Frieza
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Buu Arc (In order of appearance) Fat Buu Super Buu Buuccolo Buutenks Buuhan Kid Buu
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How far does Goku Blue (beginning of Z/418 Power Level) Go?
Saiyajin Arc Raditz Nappa Vegeta Oozaru Vegeta
Namek Arc Ginyu Force 1st Form Frieza 2nd Form Frieza 3rd Form Frieza 50% Frieza 100% Frieza
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Buu Arc (In order of appearance) Fat Buu Super Buu Buuccolo Buutenks Buuhan Kid Buu BoZ Goku: 418 -Super Saiyan Blue: 1,337,600,000
He'd get up to Perfect Cell and then lose with my estimates.
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I have SSB being a 250,000xBase, so with 418 PL I'd put him at 104,500,000 for SSB.
He makes it past 50% Frieza but after that its all down hill.
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Loses to 50% Frieza imo.
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Loses to 50% Frieza imo. Yes. This. Now i'm curious --- if you had to give it a multiplier, what would you give it?
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Hmm. Honestly, I think he could probably do well in GT, so he'd clear the list for me.
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Loses to 50% Frieza imo. Yes. This. Now i'm curious --- if you had to give it a multiplier, what would you give it? 10,000x base.
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Loses to 50% Frieza imo. Yes. This. Now i'm curious --- if you had to give it a multiplier, what would you give it?
10,000x base. Eyyy --- that's pretty close to mine. 8,000x
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Hmm. Honestly, I think he could probably do well in GT, so he'd clear the list for me. I'm actually scared to ask how high you put the multiplier.
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Hmm. Honestly, I think he could probably do well in GT, so he'd clear the list for me.
I'm actually scared to ask how high you put the multiplier. It's downright ridiculous, but that's including the boost Goku got when he first transformed into SSJG. In reality, I have SSJB being only 5 times stronger than SSJG.
If you wish to know how high the multiplier is, I'm more than happy to explain it.
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Hmm. Honestly, I think he could probably do well in GT, so he'd clear the list for me.
I'm actually scared to ask how high you put the multiplier.
It's downright ridiculous, but that's including the boost Goku got when he first transformed into SSJG. In reality, I have SSJB being only 5 times stronger than SSJG. If you wish to know how high the multiplier is, I'm more than happy to explain it. Go ahead!
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8,000x and 10,000x seem a little small.
Goku: 1 -SSJ: 50 -SSJ2: 100 -SSJ3: 400
Vegito: 480 -SSJ: 24,000 -SSJ2: 48,000 -SSJ3: 192,000 -SSJ3KKx20: 3,840,000
SSJGod Goku: 240,000 - 76,800,000
600 - 192,000x Multiplier of 600x to 192,000x and this is only assuming that the gap between Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegito (or Super Saiyan 3 Kaioken x20) is only as big as 1.25x
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How far he gets depends on how I treat Blue. I ultimately feel Blue is equal to Super Saiyan God's initial increase post ritual, but If I were to simply multiply the ritual by 50, he'd get a lot farther.
Son Goku: 416 -Super Saiyan Blue(W/ Out Ritual): 208,000,000
Son Goku: 416 -Super Saiyan Blue(W/ Ritual): 10,400,000,000
Without the ritual, he's able beat No. 19 and No. 20, but would lose to No. 17 and No. 18. With the ritual, he'd be able to beat Super Perfect Cell, but lose to Good Boo.
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Right.
Long a** post that has lots of mistakes Lots of assumptions and twisting on my part but here I go:
I'm going to need GT for this. As we know, The boost Goku received from SSJG made him a universal buster; Something not even GT top tiers were.
In other terms: It made BoG Arc Goku, who was still weaker than Frieza in base, to someone that puts SSJ4 Gogeta to shame.
Now it's all calculations:
Base Goku, in GT, for all intents and purposes, is stronger than Buuhan. GT perfect files states that Gohan kept up with his training, so I'll assume that he's at least as strong as he is in Z, but can go even stronger thanks to SSJ(which, btw is a 2x base. I have another reason I'll tell later in the post.) And Goku in his base was able to fight both SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten.
I have SSJ3 Gotenks at around 40 times Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku(or 34 times BoG Arc Goku, so I'll go with this number.) I have Ultimate Gohan 1.5x stronger than Gotenks, so this makes him 51 times stronger than SSJ3 BoG Arc Goku.
Given that GT has SSJ as two times base, this means that Base Goku in GT is more than 102 times BoG Arc Goku.
Here's where it gets interesting; once Baby Vegeta arrives.
It doesn't take until SBV1 for Vegito to be surpassed(Prime reason why I have SSJ as a two times multiplier in GT, but 50 times for Vegito. You can fit the series pre SBV1 handily.)
SBV2 is even stronger. I have my theory that SBV1 is like a mutated SSJ2, and SBV2 a mutated SSJ3. While I have them stronger; I'll use the same boost SSJ2 and 3 offer.
I'll work with numbers now:
SSJ3 BoG Saga Goku:1 Base GT Goku:around 102 -SSJ3 GT Goku:1632 Baby Vegeta:2600 SSJ Vegito:5000 SBV1:5200 SBV2:20800
Now Golden Great Ape Goku is stronger than SBV2, and SSJ4 is even more so.
I'd personally put Golden Great ape 15 times SSJ3, and Initial SSJ4 ten times Great ape:
Golden Great ape Goku:24480 SSJ4 Goku:244,800
Baby Vegeta, needed to go great ape to get the advantage, so I'll have him get the same boost:
Golden Great ape Baby:312,000
Then as soon as Goku got powered up by the half saiyans; he turns the fight to his favor, which is why I attribute him a two times boost:
Unlocked SSJ4 Goku:489,600, or practically 490,000.
This would put SSJ4, for now, at a 4803x base, which sounds extremely reasonable to me.
Then we get to Syn Shenron. He was casually able to beat SSJ4 Goku around, and even managed to block a head on Kamehameha x10. This, should make him, more than ten times Goku's strength. 15 is a likely guess for how he casually brushed it off.
Syn Shenron:7,350,000
Then again, Goku gets more boost from the Saiyans and that makes him strong to the point he makes a fool out of Syn. So I'd say probably... a 20x boost.
Final SSJ4 Goku:9,800,000
Then Omega. He's supposed to be, I think, ten times syn's strength, according to GT's perfect files.
Omega Shenron:73,500,000
Then the big fish. SSJ4 Gogeta, the man himself. His power was said to be Dozens of times superior to the SSJ4 individually. Dozens are a grouping of 12: so 12, 24, 36, 48... etc.
Given how Gogeta was way, way superior to Omega, there's only the 24 and up that works. By the way Gogeta mocked Shenron(being so fast he hit him thrice without Shenron even processing what happened), the kind of gap is probably the same that was between Vegito and Buuhan, maybe even greater.
SSJ4 Gogeta:24 times Goku's strength, so around 235,200,000.
So compare: SSJ3 bog Goku's measly 1 to SSJ4 Gogeta's 235 millions. and SSJG Goku is someone who eclipses Gogeta in terms of strength. For intents and purpose, SSJ4 Gogeta is equal to Godku.
That means, counting SSJ3's boost; The boost, Goku received upon transforming into SSJG, comes out at 94 billions. I wasn't kidding when it was ridiculous.
SSJB is five times SSJG in my book, so it's 470 billions. With a boost like that, Goku could easily go a long way into GT.
Keep in mind; Ever since Goku got the ritual boost, I feel like SSJG and SSJB aren't this ridiculous of a boost. I'd say they're kind of close to the other saiyan forms, actually.
But this is about the difference between Godku, hypothetical SSJB BoG Saga Goku and Base BoG Goku.
So it all comes down if Goku receives the ritual. If he doesn't, I don't see him getting past 50% Frieza, too.
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Right. Long a** post that has lots of mistakes Lots of assumptions and twisting on my part but here I go:
I'm going to need GT for this. As we know, The boost Goku received from SSJG made him a universal buster; Something not even GT top tiers were.
In other terms: It made BoG Arc Goku, who was still weaker than Frieza in base, to someone that puts SSJ4 Gogeta to shame.
Now it's all calculations:
Base Goku, in GT, for all intents and purposes, is stronger than Buuhan. GT perfect files states that Gohan kept up with his training, so I'll assume that he's at least as strong as he is in Z, but can go even stronger thanks to SSJ(which, btw is a 2x base. I have another reason I'll tell later in the post.) And Goku in his base was able to fight both SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten.
I have SSJ3 Gotenks at around 40 times Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku(or 34 times BoG Arc Goku, so I'll go with this number.) I have Ultimate Gohan 1.5x stronger than Gotenks, so this makes him 51 times stronger than SSJ3 BoG Arc Goku.
Given that GT has SSJ as two times base, this means that Base Goku in GT is more than 102 times BoG Arc Goku.
Here's where it gets interesting; once Baby Vegeta arrives.
It doesn't take until SBV1 for Vegito to be surpassed(Prime reason why I have SSJ as a two times multiplier in GT, but 50 times for Vegito. You can fit the series pre SBV1 handily.)
SBV2 is even stronger. I have my theory that SBV1 is like a mutated SSJ2, and SBV2 a mutated SSJ3. While I have them stronger; I'll use the same boost SSJ2 and 3 offer.
I'll work with numbers now:
SSJ3 BoG Saga Goku:1 Base GT Goku:around 102 -SSJ3 GT Goku:1632 Baby Vegeta:2600 SSJ Vegito:5000 SBV1:5200 SBV2:20800
Now Golden Great Ape Goku is stronger than SBV2, and SSJ4 is even more so.
I'd personally put Golden Great ape 15 times SSJ3, and Initial SSJ4 ten times Great ape:
Golden Great ape Goku:24480 SSJ4 Goku:244,800
Baby Vegeta, needed to go great ape to get the advantage, so I'll have him get the same boost:
Golden Great ape Baby:312,000
Then as soon as Goku got powered up by the half saiyans; he turns the fight to his favor, which is why I attribute him a two times boost:
Unlocked SSJ4 Goku:489,600, or practically 490,000.
This would put SSJ4, for now, at a 4803x base, which sounds extremely reasonable to me.
Then we get to Syn Shenron. He was casually able to beat SSJ4 Goku around, and even managed to block a head on Kamehameha x10. This, should make him, more than ten times Goku's strength. 15 is a likely guess for how he casually brushed it off.
Syn Shenron:7,350,000
Then again, Goku gets more boost from the Saiyans and that makes him strong to the point he makes a fool out of Syn. So I'd say probably... a 20x boost.
Final SSJ4 Goku:9,800,000
Then Omega. He's supposed to be, I think, ten times syn's strength, according to GT's perfect files.
Omega Shenron:73,500,000
Then the big fish. SSJ4 Gogeta, the man himself. His power was said to be Dozens of times superior to the SSJ4 individually. Dozens are a grouping of 12: so 12, 24, 36, 48... etc.
Given how Gogeta was way, way superior to Omega, there's only the 24 and up that works. By the way Gogeta mocked Shenron(being so fast he hit him thrice without Shenron even processing what happened), the kind of gap is probably the same that was between Vegito and Buuhan, maybe even greater.
SSJ4 Gogeta:24 times Goku's strength, so around 235,200,000.
So compare: SSJ3 bog Goku's measly 1 to SSJ4 Gogeta's 235 millions. and SSJG Goku is someone who eclipses Gogeta in terms of strength. For intents and purpose, SSJ4 Gogeta is equal to Godku.
That means, counting SSJ3's boost; The boost, Goku received upon transforming into SSJG, comes out at 94 billions. I wasn't kidding when it was ridiculous.
SSJB is five times SSJG in my book, so it's 470 billions. With a boost like that, Goku could easily go a long way into GT.
Keep in mind; Ever since Goku got the ritual boost, I feel like SSJG and SSJB aren't this ridiculous of a boost. I'd say they're kind of close to the other saiyan forms, actually.
But this is about the difference between Godku, hypothetical SSJB BoG Saga Goku and Base BoG Goku. So it all comes down if Goku receives the ritual. If he doesn't, I don't see him getting past 50% Frieza, too. That's really sound logic and I applaud you.
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