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Current piccolo vs janemba; Who takes this fight?
Topic Started: Jul 11 2018, 09:01 AM (1,392 Views)
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Who takes this fight? Have piccolo improve enough to challenge janemba
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Janemba is stronger than Fat Buu, Current Piccolo isnt as strong as Fat Buu. So im going with Janemba.

Janemba: 45,000,000,000 (Im still working on this number)
Fat Buu: 18,000,000,000 / 36,000,000,000 (Enraged)
Piccolo: 12,000,000,000
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Janemba>Hildegarn>Boo arc Ultimate Gohan>TOP arc Piccolo
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I haven't seen that movie in a while but I have Super Buu stronger than Janemba and I think Piccolo is around that level now. So I'll take Piccolo
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Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
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StrenuousSpider
Jul 11 2018, 07:27 PM
Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
Care to elaborate?
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Jul 11 2018, 08:05 PM
StrenuousSpider
Jul 11 2018, 07:27 PM
Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
Care to elaborate?
Goku said fat janamba had the strongest ki hes ever felt. This includes gotenks.

This is a toei product and in every other product they made goku > gotenks > ultimate gohan. From filler to other movies. That dose not change for this movie. Inside buu they were said to be at there normal strength. Toei has them being beaten pretty easily. In the hirudagarn movie we have.

Ssj3 goku >> Ssj goku > ssj3 gotenks > ultimate gohan

We have toei saying janamba > hirudagarn

Going by power scaleing ssj3 goku > vegito
So that puts fat janamba around the buuhan level. And super janamba alot stronger then ssj3 so alot stronger then vegito. And thats not even full power janamba as we see him power up greatly later against gogeta but still weaker.

It all comes down to toeis haxing of goku and vegeta when ever tgey get there hands on them.

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Goku was so powerful he purposely made himself weaker in order to give himself a challenge. It makes sense if we use Toei storyboards.
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Amerson26
Jul 11 2018, 09:01 AM
Who takes this fight? Have piccolo improve enough to challenge janemba
Ultimate Gohan >~ SSJBlue Goku >>>> SSJGod (ToP) Goku >>> SSJ3 Goku >>> SSJ2 Goku >> SSJ Goku >>> Base Goku >~ SSJGod (BoG) >?> SSJ (Buu) Vegito >~ Current Piccolo > SSJ2 Gohan >> SSJ Gohan = SSJ Goku (holding back) >>> Base Gohan = Base Goku (holding back)

Piccolo stomps, I was being conservative and using Super Saiyan Vegito as the placeholder. Piccolo is stronger than Base Goku and Vegeta, the latter needing Super Saiyan to face Frost instead of simply using his Base, whom surpassed Super Saiyan God (BoG) Goku.

So in reality:

Final Form Frost > Base Goku & Vegeta >~ SSJGod (BoG) Goku >>> SSJ (Buu) Vegito >>> Super Buu (Gohan) > Super Buu (Gotenks) > Ultimate (Buu) Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Saiyan (M11) Gogeta > Super Buu > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 (M11) Goku > SSJ2 Gotenks > Janemba >~ Super Buu (holding back) > SSJ Gotenks >>> Base Gotenks

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Jul 11 2018, 07:27 PM
Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
Care to elaborate?
Goku said fat janamba had the strongest ki hes ever felt. This includes gotenks.

This is a toei product and in every other product they made goku > gotenks > ultimate gohan. From filler to other movies. That dose not change for this movie. Inside buu they were said to be at there normal strength. Toei has them being beaten pretty easily. In the hirudagarn movie we have.

Ssj3 goku >> Ssj goku > ssj3 gotenks > ultimate gohan

We have toei saying janamba > hirudagarn

Going by power scaleing ssj3 goku > vegito
So that puts fat janamba around the buuhan level. And super janamba alot stronger then ssj3 so alot stronger then vegito. And thats not even full power janamba as we see him power up greatly later against gogeta but still weaker.

It all comes down to toeis haxing of goku and vegeta when ever tgey get there hands on them.

Yeah ok but how do you figure Piccolo is as string as this Super strong Janemba?
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Piccolo crushes Janenba, IMO. Piccolo's Makankosappo was powerful enough to penetrate Saonel and Pirina, who were close to as strong as Ultimate Gohan in the Tournament of Power, who himself is Blue tier.
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Final Form Frost > Base Goku & Vegeta >~ SSJGod (BoG) Goku >>> SSJ (Buu) Vegito >>> Super Buu (Gohan) > Super Buu (Gotenks) > Ultimate (Buu) Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Super Saiyan (M11) Gogeta > Super Buu > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 (M11) Goku > SSJ2 Gotenks > Janemba >~ Super Buu (holding back) > SSJ Gotenks >>> Base Gotenks


This operates under the premise that Base Goku/Vegeta are stronger than Super Saiyan God. As established by King Kai and the narrator, this is not the case. Beerus and Goku thoroughly established that SSJ Goku(post-ritual)=Beerus. Things look more like:

U6 Arc SSJ Goku/Vegeta>BoG SSJ Goku(post-ritual)~BoG SSG Goku>>Final Form Frost>Base Goku/Vegeta

And Frankly, I don't think SSG is 50x stronger than Super Vegetto so I think that Frost, Base Goku and Base Vegeta are all well below SSJ Vegetto so I think he would fit between SSG Goku and Frost.
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Jul 11 2018, 08:31 PM
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Jul 11 2018, 08:05 PM
StrenuousSpider
Jul 11 2018, 07:27 PM
Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
Care to elaborate?
Goku said fat janamba had the strongest ki hes ever felt. This includes gotenks.

This is a toei product and in every other product they made goku > gotenks > ultimate gohan. From filler to other movies. That dose not change for this movie. Inside buu they were said to be at there normal strength. Toei has them being beaten pretty easily. In the hirudagarn movie we have.

Ssj3 goku >> Ssj goku > ssj3 gotenks > ultimate gohan

We have toei saying janamba > hirudagarn

Going by power scaleing ssj3 goku > vegito
So that puts fat janamba around the buuhan level. And super janamba alot stronger then ssj3 so alot stronger then vegito. And thats not even full power janamba as we see him power up greatly later against gogeta but still weaker.

It all comes down to toeis haxing of goku and vegeta when ever tgey get there hands on them.

Yeah ok but how do you figure Piccolo is as string as this Super strong Janemba?
I mean i just go with what the show told me. Goku absorbs god. Gohan is close to goku in power shown in saiya man episodes. Piccolo is stronger then ssj2 gohan. Its just how i see things. The same old subject we if i remember have talked about a few times.
We also have gotenks being weaker then base vegeta/goku. So if i use that.

Piccolo > ssj2 gohan/goku > ssj gohan/goku > base gohan/goku > ssj3 gotenks.
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StrenuousSpider
Jul 11 2018, 07:27 PM
Piccolo kills janamba.

And janamba far outclasses any buu.
Care to elaborate?
Goku said fat janamba had the strongest ki hes ever felt. This includes gotenks.

This is a toei product and in every other product they made goku > gotenks > ultimate gohan. From filler to other movies. That dose not change for this movie. Inside buu they were said to be at there normal strength. Toei has them being beaten pretty easily. In the hirudagarn movie we have.

Ssj3 goku >> Ssj goku > ssj3 gotenks > ultimate gohan

We have toei saying janamba > hirudagarn

Going by power scaleing ssj3 goku > vegito
So that puts fat janamba around the buuhan level. And super janamba alot stronger then ssj3 so alot stronger then vegito. And thats not even full power janamba as we see him power up greatly later against gogeta but still weaker.

It all comes down to toeis haxing of goku and vegeta when ever tgey get there hands on them.

Yeah ok but how do you figure Piccolo is as string as this Super strong Janemba?
I mean i just go with what the show told me. Goku absorbs god. Gohan is close to goku in power shown in saiya man episodes. Piccolo is stronger then ssj2 gohan. Its just how i see things. The same old subject we if i remember have talked about a few times.
We also have gotenks being weaker then base vegeta/goku. So if i use that.

Piccolo > ssj2 gohan/goku > ssj gohan/goku > base gohan/goku > ssj3 gotenks.
No offense, but I think that you may have misinterpreted things a little bit.

Goku was holding back against Gohan so you can't really use that. He isn't suddenly as strong as his dad out of nowhere. Gohan accuses Goku of holding back and then Goku says that he was testing Gohan(AKA not denying that he was holding back) They fight evenly in Base as Goku admitted to holding back then they go SSJ and continue to fight evenly. So the implication is that Goku continued to hold back. It is impossible to quantify by how much Goku was holding back.

It was just a sparring match between Goku and his son who he knows doesn't train that much anymore. So the way that you lump Gohan/Goku together in equivalent forms isn't the case.

So yeah we know:

Base Goku/Vegeta>SSJ3 Gotenks

And we know that:

Piccolo>SSJ2 Gohan

but we can't really mix those chains the way you did.
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