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Namek Arc Gogeta (No Time Limit)
Topic Started: Jul 10 2018, 12:58 AM (780 Views)
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i have hypothetical ssj gogeta around super buu level.

ssj3 goku = 10
ssj gotenks = 12
ssj3 gotenks = 96
Super buu = 100
ssj gogeta = 100
thzs base gogeta = 2


Base goku= 10/4/2/50 = 0.025


The increase from base goku to gogeta is = 2/0.025 = 80


So


Namek arc gogeta in base would be according to the PL levels

3 000 000* 80 = 240 000 000( around Yardrat ssj goku level)

In ssj however

240 000 000* 50 = 12000 000 000 which is very wall beyond perfect cell I suppose

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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How did you even get this number? 16,500,000?

Goku and Vegeta would have to be less than 3% of Final Form Frieza's full power (120,000,000) since Goku was noted to be at 3,000,000. If this is correct then Frieza used approximately a bit more than 2.5% of his full power on Goku and 2.25% on Vegeta who should be weaker than Goku. So 2,400,000 is a good placement on his battle power.

If we use your method, A+Bx3, we get this:

Goku: 2,400,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000

Gogeta: 9,600,000

This simply isn't the case since Gogeta 1,920,000,000 on his own. And even if we assume this is accounting Super Saiyan as the movie suggest (Super Gogeta > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 Goku) we get this:

Gogeta: 38,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,900,000,000

This would make his base strength pathetic in comparison to Goku or Vegeta in a Super Saiyan 3 form that could get more done on their own before Gogeta could go Super Saiyan. You're basically saying:

Goku: 2,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 240,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 960,000,000

Gogeta: 38,400,000 (32% of SSJ Goku's power, 16% of SSJ2 Goku's power and 4% of SSJ3 Goku's power)

You see how weak he is? And even with Kaioken x20, he's still a 25% weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku who's base in this case would be 2,400,000.

Nothing personal but I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
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In base they lose to 17 and 18.

With kaioken X 20 they're about even with Perfect Cell.

With ssj they lose to Fat Boo, even the split version.
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Jul 10 2018, 07:40 PM
In base they lose to 17 and 18.

With kaioken X 20 they're about even with Perfect Cell.

With ssj they lose to Fat Boo, even the split version.
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Gogeta would win against any of the villians because the first law of Dragon Ball is that Goku must be the boring invincible hero. He isn't really allowed to lose with few exceptions.

"Namek Saga" strength would be irrelevant because there would be some kind of plot contrivance, be it last minute training, a new form, pure luck, etc. that'd allow Gogeta to save the day. Overwise, the villians will be "scaled down" because Goku and by extension Gogeta are always as strong they need to be since that's just how Dragon Ball works as a story. Because otherwise that'd mean we'd actually have the torched passed to Gohan/Uub, which will never happen.
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Base Gogeta should be at the very, very least around Namek SSJ Goku, Given how strong base Gotenks(far stronger than either SSJ Goten or Trunks) turned out to be, and that's far above any base saiyans I have in Z.

With Kaioken x20, He'd clear up until MSSJ Goku, so he'd stop at Perfect Cell on your list.

With Super Saiyan, In my numbers, I have him stopping at Super Perfect Cell.

Though this is if he was exactly as strong as SSJ Goku. In actuality, I'd probably have his base around SSJ Saiyans in the android saga. In that case; he'd beat Perfect Cell using Kaioken x20, and would beat SPC in Super Saiyan.
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Jul 10 2018, 02:19 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How does that work? If that's the case, Super Gogeta would be 25% weaker than SSj3 Goku and shouldn't have been able to lay a finger on Janemba
For some reason i thought Gogeta was using SS2. Whoops :huh: Don't know how i made that mistake.
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Jul 10 2018, 02:19 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How does that work? If that's the case, Super Gogeta would be 25% weaker than SSj3 Goku and shouldn't have been able to lay a finger on Janemba
For some reason i thought Gogeta was using SS2. Whoops :huh: Don't know how i made that mistake.
Don't worry about it. Mistakes happen lol
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Jul 10 2018, 01:15 AM
Do they get Super Saiyan? If they don't they lose every round. With it they should lose to Perfect Cell.
I think they at least clear Frieza even without SSJ or Kaioken.
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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How did you even get this number? 16,500,000?

Goku and Vegeta would have to be less than 3% of Final Form Frieza's full power (120,000,000) since Goku was noted to be at 3,000,000. If this is correct then Frieza used approximately a bit more than 2.5% of his full power on Goku and 2.25% on Vegeta who should be weaker than Goku. So 2,400,000 is a good placement on his battle power.

If we use your method, A+Bx3, we get this:

Goku: 2,400,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000

Gogeta: 9,600,000

This simply isn't the case since Gogeta 1,920,000,000 on his own. And even if we assume this is accounting Super Saiyan as the movie suggest (Super Gogeta > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 Goku) we get this:

Gogeta: 38,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,900,000,000

This would make his base strength pathetic in comparison to Goku or Vegeta in a Super Saiyan 3 form that could get more done on their own before Gogeta could go Super Saiyan. You're basically saying:

Goku: 2,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 240,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 960,000,000

Gogeta: 38,400,000 (32% of SSJ Goku's power, 16% of SSJ2 Goku's power and 4% of SSJ3 Goku's power)

You see how weak he is? And even with Kaioken x20, he's still a 25% weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku who's base in this case would be 2,400,000.

Nothing personal but I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
I used

Goku: 3,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000

5,500,000 x 3 = 16,500,000

As I already mentioned in another post, for some reason I thought Gogeta was using SS2 against Janemba. Which is incorrect and threw my fusion multiplier off.

Also some of the math you used in your post is wrong. Dont know how 2.4 million + 2.4 million X 3 = 9.6 million
Edited by FinaleSaint, Jul 11 2018, 07:20 PM.
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Jul 10 2018, 05:46 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How did you even get this number? 16,500,000?

Goku and Vegeta would have to be less than 3% of Final Form Frieza's full power (120,000,000) since Goku was noted to be at 3,000,000. If this is correct then Frieza used approximately a bit more than 2.5% of his full power on Goku and 2.25% on Vegeta who should be weaker than Goku. So 2,400,000 is a good placement on his battle power.

If we use your method, A+Bx3, we get this:

Goku: 2,400,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000

Gogeta: 9,600,000

This simply isn't the case since Gogeta 1,920,000,000 on his own. And even if we assume this is accounting Super Saiyan as the movie suggest (Super Gogeta > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 Goku) we get this:

Gogeta: 38,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,900,000,000

This would make his base strength pathetic in comparison to Goku or Vegeta in a Super Saiyan 3 form that could get more done on their own before Gogeta could go Super Saiyan. You're basically saying:

Goku: 2,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 240,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 960,000,000

Gogeta: 38,400,000 (32% of SSJ Goku's power, 16% of SSJ2 Goku's power and 4% of SSJ3 Goku's power)

You see how weak he is? And even with Kaioken x20, he's still a 25% weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku who's base in this case would be 2,400,000.

Nothing personal but I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
I used

Goku: 3,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000

5,500,000 x 3 = 16,500,000

As I already mentioned in another post, for some reason I thought Gogeta was using SS2 against Janemba. Which is incorrect and threw my fusion multiplier off.

Also some of the math you used in your post is wrong. Dont know how 2.4 million + 2.4 million X 3 = 9.6 million
Always do multiplication first.
(2,400,000 + 2,400,000) x 3
=/=
2,400,000 + 2,400,000 x 3


2,400,000 +2,400,000 x 3
=
2,400,000 + 7,200,000
=
9,600,000
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Jul 11 2018, 07:38 PM
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Jul 11 2018, 07:13 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 05:46 PM
FinaleSaint
Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How did you even get this number? 16,500,000?

Goku and Vegeta would have to be less than 3% of Final Form Frieza's full power (120,000,000) since Goku was noted to be at 3,000,000. If this is correct then Frieza used approximately a bit more than 2.5% of his full power on Goku and 2.25% on Vegeta who should be weaker than Goku. So 2,400,000 is a good placement on his battle power.

If we use your method, A+Bx3, we get this:

Goku: 2,400,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000

Gogeta: 9,600,000

This simply isn't the case since Gogeta 1,920,000,000 on his own. And even if we assume this is accounting Super Saiyan as the movie suggest (Super Gogeta > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 Goku) we get this:

Gogeta: 38,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,900,000,000

This would make his base strength pathetic in comparison to Goku or Vegeta in a Super Saiyan 3 form that could get more done on their own before Gogeta could go Super Saiyan. You're basically saying:

Goku: 2,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 240,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 960,000,000

Gogeta: 38,400,000 (32% of SSJ Goku's power, 16% of SSJ2 Goku's power and 4% of SSJ3 Goku's power)

You see how weak he is? And even with Kaioken x20, he's still a 25% weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku who's base in this case would be 2,400,000.

Nothing personal but I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
I used

Goku: 3,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000

5,500,000 x 3 = 16,500,000

As I already mentioned in another post, for some reason I thought Gogeta was using SS2 against Janemba. Which is incorrect and threw my fusion multiplier off.

Also some of the math you used in your post is wrong. Dont know how 2.4 million + 2.4 million X 3 = 9.6 million
Always do multiplication first.
(2,400,000 + 2,400,000) x 3
=/=
2,400,000 + 2,400,000 x 3


2,400,000 +2,400,000 x 3
=
2,400,000 + 7,200,000
=
9,600,000
You should be multiplying the result by 3.
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You should be multiplying the result by 3.
Are you talking to me or him?
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Jul 11 2018, 07:38 PM
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Jul 11 2018, 07:13 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 05:46 PM
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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How did you even get this number? 16,500,000?

Goku and Vegeta would have to be less than 3% of Final Form Frieza's full power (120,000,000) since Goku was noted to be at 3,000,000. If this is correct then Frieza used approximately a bit more than 2.5% of his full power on Goku and 2.25% on Vegeta who should be weaker than Goku. So 2,400,000 is a good placement on his battle power.

If we use your method, A+Bx3, we get this:

Goku: 2,400,000

Vegeta: 2,400,000

Gogeta: 9,600,000

This simply isn't the case since Gogeta 1,920,000,000 on his own. And even if we assume this is accounting Super Saiyan as the movie suggest (Super Gogeta > Super Janemba > Super Saiyan 3 Goku) we get this:

Gogeta: 38,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 1,900,000,000

This would make his base strength pathetic in comparison to Goku or Vegeta in a Super Saiyan 3 form that could get more done on their own before Gogeta could go Super Saiyan. You're basically saying:

Goku: 2,400,000
-Super Saiyan: 120,000,000
-Super Saiyan 2: 240,000,000
-Super Saiyan 3: 960,000,000

Gogeta: 38,400,000 (32% of SSJ Goku's power, 16% of SSJ2 Goku's power and 4% of SSJ3 Goku's power)

You see how weak he is? And even with Kaioken x20, he's still a 25% weaker than Super Saiyan 3 Goku who's base in this case would be 2,400,000.

Nothing personal but I don't see how you came to this conclusion.
I used

Goku: 3,000,000
Vegeta: 2,500,000

5,500,000 x 3 = 16,500,000

As I already mentioned in another post, for some reason I thought Gogeta was using SS2 against Janemba. Which is incorrect and threw my fusion multiplier off.

Also some of the math you used in your post is wrong. Dont know how 2.4 million + 2.4 million X 3 = 9.6 million
Always do multiplication first.
(2,400,000 + 2,400,000) x 3
=/=
2,400,000 + 2,400,000 x 3


2,400,000 +2,400,000 x 3
=
2,400,000 + 7,200,000
=
9,600,000
2.4+2.4=4.8

4.8x3=14.4


PEMDAS or not, Its beyond clear that's what I meant if you actually tried out the formula I gave.
Guess ill need to change that and be more specific for people from now on.
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