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Namek Arc Gogeta (No Time Limit)
Topic Started: Jul 10 2018, 12:58 AM (779 Views)
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So what if Goku and Vegeta (both at their strogest at the time) fused in the Namek arc with the fusion dance, and what if beyond that it turned out that the fusion dance was permanent (like both other types of fusion were at the time)?

How far would Gogeta get on this list:

Namek Arc
100% Frieza

Android Arc
Androids 19/20
Androids 17/18
Android 16
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Pefect Cell
Perfect Cell
Super Perfect Cell

Buu Arc
Fat Buu
Super Buu
Buuccolo
Buutenks
Buuhan
Kid Buu
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They lose out to Perfect Cell imo. They’re weaker than MSSJ Gohan by my count
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Do they get Super Saiyan? If they don't they lose every round. With it they should lose to Perfect Cell.
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Jul 10 2018, 01:15 AM
Do they get Super Saiyan? If they don't they lose every round. With it they should lose to Perfect Cell.
I think they'd have Kaio-Ken at most. x20 but with less strain since fusions seem to be more durable (ref. SSj3 Gotenks)
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He gets as far as Super Perfect Cell with the Kaio-ken x20. With Super Saiyan, he can take Fat Boo, but I don't think he can beat him.
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I'm actually gonna give my opinion on this.

So I did some math for potara earlier, and I'm going to loosely base my answer off of that.
Gogeta in Fusion Reborn was shown to be a decent chunk above SSj3 Goku, as a SSj. That logically means that his SSj is likely a marginal amount stronger than Goku's SSj3, making him 5x (a guess) SSj3 Goku, or roughly 2000x base Goku. Dividing that by 50 makes his base on par with SSj3 Goku.

If we assume Vegeta was equal to 2% Frieza (so 2,400,000). We get the following equation.
(2,400,000 [Vegeta] + 2,400,000 [Goku, Suppressed]) x 400 = 1,920,000,000.

With this, we can surmise the following:
Gogeta's base form is 1,920,000,000
If he can handle Kaioken as well as Goku could, he can comfortably fight at 19,200,000,000 (Kaio-Ken x10)
If his Kaioken usage is superior to Goku, he could potentially comfortably fight at 38,400,000,000 (Kaio-Ken x20)

I can say for certain that I believe everything up to Super Buu to be within that range except for the likes of Buuhan and Buutenks, since we have the statement from Super that Goku's base was less than Frieza's 100% and SSj Goku with a base of 120,000,000 would be 48,000,000,000.

Therefore, I think he can beat up to Super Buu, and by effect Kid Buu with full x20 Kaioken utilization.

Edit: I totally f***ed up my math. DIsregard
Edited by FayeTimidea, Jul 10 2018, 01:38 AM.
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Without Kaioken, I have Gogeta successfully doing battle with SSJ Grade III Trunks. Should he use Kaioken up to x20, I would have him defeating Base Gotenks after training.
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Without Super Saiyan they would be on par with SSJ Vegeta vs Android 19 and with SSJ they would be Majin Vegeta level.

So by that list they would lose to Android 17/18 without SSJ and with SSJ they would lose to Fat Buu.

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Wait are you trying to say this is the order of strength of all the Buus?
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Namek saga Goku: 90,000

Namek sag Vegeta: 24,000

Namek saga Gogeta: 19,200,000
-Kaioken x10: 192,000,000

Final Form Frieza 100%: 120,000,000

Gogeta one shot if he uses Kaioken x10

He definitely doesn't get passed 17 or 18 though.

Edit:
Wait wait wait, I thought you mean Namek saga and Frieza saga? Oh my god, one minute.

Frieza saga Goku: 3,000,000

Frieza saga Vegeta: 2,400,000

Frieza saga Gogeta: 1,920,000,000
-Kaioken x20: 38,400,000,000

With this, he'd clear damn near the whole list barring Super Buu and up.
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Jul 10 2018, 01:44 AM
Without Super Saiyan they would be on par with SSJ Vegeta vs Android 19 and with SSJ they would be Majin Vegeta level.

So by that list they would lose to Android 17/18 without SSJ and with SSJ they would lose to Fat Buu.

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Wait are you trying to say this is the order of strength of all the Buus?
Chronological order.
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Jul 10 2018, 01:45 AM
Namek saga Goku: 90,000

Namek sag Vegeta: 24,000

Namek saga Gogeta: 19,200,000
-Kaioken x10: 192,000,000

Final Form Frieza 100%: 120,000,000

Gogeta one shot if he uses Kaioken x10

He definitely doesn't get passed 17 or 18 though.
I did mention at their strongest. Goku at his strongest was 3,000,000, and Vegeta was above first form Frieza at minimum, supposedly on par or weaker than 2% Final Form
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Jul 10 2018, 01:49 AM
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Jul 10 2018, 01:45 AM
Namek saga Goku: 90,000

Namek sag Vegeta: 24,000

Namek saga Gogeta: 19,200,000
-Kaioken x10: 192,000,000

Final Form Frieza 100%: 120,000,000

Gogeta one shot if he uses Kaioken x10

He definitely doesn't get passed 17 or 18 though.
I did mention at their strongest. Goku at his strongest was 3,000,000, and Vegeta was above first form Frieza at minimum, supposedly on par or weaker than 2% Final Form
Nah, I didn't know you meant at the end of Frieza saga. When Namek saga was mentioned I thought you meant at their strongest during that saga lol. I edited post though.

Edit:
Just realized that we both shared the same view point haha.
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Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


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Jul 10 2018, 02:14 PM
Base Gogeta (Namek) would be about 16,500,000 as I only have the Fusion Dance doing (A + B x 3).

If Gogeta never learns Super Saiyan, then he really isn't going to get far. He makes it to Android 17/18, then gets stomped.

Gogeta (Namek) Base: 16,500,000
Kaioken x10: 165,000,000
Kaioken x20: 330,000,000
(Hypothetical) Super Saiyan 1: 825,000,000


How does that work? If that's the case, Super Gogeta would be 25% weaker than SSj3 Goku and shouldn't have been able to lay a finger on Janemba
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