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Piccolo vs Hit vs Dyspo vs Majuub
Topic Started: Jul 6 2018, 02:49 AM (786 Views)
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I think Hit wins easily with the time skip and his assassination techniques. Dyspo is last because he really has pure speed but he can't use that to his advantage here.
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Jul 8 2018, 10:54 PM
I think Hit wins easily with the time skip and his assassination techniques. Dyspo is last because he really has pure speed but he can't use that to his advantage here.
And why cant he use being 2000 at the least times faster to his advatage.

How can Hits assassination techniques kill piccolo.

Hits time skip can be countered by people equal to him. Everyone is equal here.

Majuubs candy beam is vary dangerous here.
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Certain meridial points on the body are situated at or adjacent to the head that are capable of impacting brain functionality - temple region, larynx, the eye, ect. The temple region has one of the thinnest layers of osteal covering on the skull. It's why striking that region is so dangerous because of their direct link to the brain and vulnerability for severe trauma to be caused (enough to kill if struck hard enough). You then have the Adam's Apple and base of the nose as potential vulnerable strike regions close to the head, both of which play a role in vital biological functions involving respiratory blood flow, breathing, and disorientative neural communication between the body and brain (should it be struck).

Dim Mak translates to "death touch" for a reason. Piccolo can regenerate most of his anatomy, but causing interference to blood flow or electrical signals to & from the brain isn't something that sounds like he could regenerate because of the region of his body it's impacting.
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Jul 8 2018, 08:46 PM
Majuub is my prime contestant:

-Candy Beam
-Better Ki Manipulating abilities
-Super Kamehameha
-Super Resilient
-Trained by Goku (who's the better fighter between him and Piccolo and therefore Hit and Dyspo)

But his resilience and candy beam, supplemented with his fighting ability will over take the others. Meaning I think he can take hits pretty well, though Hit would be problematic since he is human.
What can majuub take in terms of damage. Depending on what he could be number 2. Piccolo is still above hit imo. And dyspo being so much faster makes him number 1 in my mind.
Majuub could was able to take hits from Super 17 (I know Vegeta was still the last standing but we all know Vegeta is tenacious), and he withstood a powerful kick to the arm and a point blank ki blast straight to the face from Syn who was capable of downing Gohan, Trunks and Goten as well as making Gohan draw blood, all in their Super Saiyan forms. Its subjective but I'd like to think Majuub got more out of the fusion with Good Buu thank just a power up and candy beam.
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Certain meridial points on the body are situated at or adjacent to the head that are capable of impacting brain functionality - temple region, larynx, the eye, ect. The temple region has one of the thinnest layers of osteal covering on the skull. It's why striking that region is so dangerous because of their direct link to the brain and vulnerability for severe trauma to be caused (enough to kill if struck hard enough). You then have the Adam's Apple and base of the nose as potential vulnerable strike regions close to the head, both of which play a role in vital biological functions involving respiratory blood flow, breathing, and disorientative neural communication between the body and brain (should it be struck).

Dim Mak translates to "death touch" for a reason. Piccolo can regenerate most of his anatomy, but causing interference to blood flow or electrical signals to & from the brain isn't something that sounds like he could regenerate because of the region of his body it's impacting.
I dont see why he cant regenerate from such a thing.
If he can regenerate from just a head get his limbs blown off several times and be perfectly fine afterwards that would be childs play. Interface or not if he can regenerate anything and attach new nerve endings from old ones nothing is stopping him from healing broken ones.
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The nerves and respiratory blood flow themselves aren't just being weakened or cut off, they're depriving some of the basic functionality to the brain itself. Regeneration takes a conscious effort on the Namekian's part, presumably it's sent as a series of neuronal impulses throughout the body to prompt it into beginning physiological reconstitution. However, if those impulses are unable to reach the intended point on the body, the specific anatomical region wouldn't know to regenerate itself. Moreover, blood flow being obstructed to the brain carries a whole host of impairments including difficulty thinking, weaker motor function, memory loss, ect. It addles the mind and makes it difficult to perform normal functions. Furthermore, if Hit were to strike Piccolo at the appropriate time around his heart, it would induce a status known as commotio cordis. With an addled brain, deadened electrical signaling, and a heart condition like that, I can't see Piccolo recovering, or if he did, it would take so much personal effort on his part that Hit would have free reign to continue attacking him during the process.
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The nerves and respiratory blood flow themselves aren't just being weakened or cut off, they're depriving some of the basic functionality to the brain itself. Regeneration takes a conscious effort on the Namekian's part, presumably it's sent as a series of neuronal impulses throughout the body to prompt it into beginning physiological reconstitution. However, if those impulses are unable to reach the intended point on the body, the specific anatomical region wouldn't know to regenerate itself. Moreover, blood flow being obstructed to the brain carries a whole host of impairments including difficulty thinking, weaker motor function, memory loss, ect. It addles the mind and makes it difficult to perform normal functions. Furthermore, if Hit were to strike Piccolo at the appropriate time around his heart, it would induce a status known as commotio cordis. With an addled brain, deadened electrical signaling, and a heart condition like that, I can't see Piccolo recovering, or if he did, it would take so much personal effort on his part that Hit would have free reign to continue attacking him during the process.
Regenerating new limbs blood flow, nerves ect.. > fixing non responsive one. Regardless lets say it dose work what stopping piccolo from sprouting a new one out of the old one. It dose not have a massive drain on his stamina as it used to. He was perfectly fine after he was turned to stone, recovered many times in ToP without really being affected so i dont see hit killing or stopping piccolo with any kind of ease. I can see piccolo figuring hit out real easy as well.
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The cognitive intention of regenerating limbs has to be sent via neural-electrical pathways, ones that would have been deadened as a result of striking at vital meridial points. It's not something that can just be overcome because the victim "forced" it. Besides that, as stated previously, respiratory blockage would likely result in cerebral hypoxia in a short amount of time. In the worst cases, such a condition would see the victim suffering from neuro-cellular degradation, seizures, loss of consciousness, and even brain death. Piccolo can't regenerate from this type of trauma because of the nature of how it impacts the structure of the brain. His short term memory and motor skills would likely take a severe hit anyway due to the respiratory deprivation.

If Hit aims for the heart afterwards in order to induce commotio cordis, that will likely be the end of Piccolo. Under the strain of his mind being deprived of vital blood and oxygen supplies, concentration and rigorous regenerative functionality would likely not be possible, at least not in any timely manner that would see him surviving before his body gives out.
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The cognitive intention of regenerating limbs has to be sent via neural-electrical pathways, ones that would have been deadened as a result of striking at vital meridial points. It's not something that can just be overcome because the victim "forced" it. Besides that, as stated previously, respiratory blockage would likely result in cerebral hypoxia in a short amount of time. In the worst cases, such a condition would see the victim suffering from neuro-cellular degradation, seizures, loss of consciousness, and even brain death. Piccolo can't regenerate from this type of trauma because of the nature of how it impacts the structure of the brain. His short term memory and motor skills would likely take a severe hit anyway due to the respiratory deprivation.

If Hit aims for the heart afterwards in order to induce commotio cordis, that will likely be the end of Piccolo. Under the strain of his mind being deprived of vital blood and oxygen supplies, concentration and rigorous regenerative functionality would likely not be possible, at least not in any timely manner that would see him surviving before his body gives out.
Piccolo can survive without a heart so its questionable if he even has one so no hitting heart to cause brain death. You are bassing this all on human anatomy which face it piccolo is nothing like a human. So the chance any of this works is slim to none. And lets say the pressure points work. Well then we have to know where they are located on piccolos body. He may be humanoid but that dose not mean they are located in the same area as his body works completely different then a humans. And i dont think respiratory damage is goong to stop him either. Like i mention at one point he was just a head and was still alive. So chance is he can survive a good amount of time without breathing. And if he cant regenerate whats broken just grow a new one from a pathway that dose work.Hell he dose not even need to eat. And i doubt hit knows any of this.
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This was the extent of Piccolo's injuries after being accidentally toppled by Trunks. As you can see, most of the torso region is in-tact. It's mostly the appendages and circumferential extremities of the central body region that have been cracked or destroyed with the worst damage to the centre being below where the stomach would be situated around where the intestines are. His heart should have been relatively stable in its form. Furthermore, we know enough of Piccolo's anatomy to understand that he has veins similarly positioned throughout his body like a human, his thermoregulatory functions are like that of a human's, brain placement is like that of a human's, sensory perception is the same as a human's (minus the hearing which is enhanced), he breathes like a human, his sternocleidomastoid muscles are positionally comparable to a human's, he seems to have a larynx like a human and he can consume solid food matter like that of a human (even if it is not necessary).

Piccolo's species appears to be based off of gastropods. However, there's a stark number of conflicting differences between Namekians and slugs. For one thing, land based slugs get their oxygen through an opening on the side of their mantle known as the pneumostome through which air passes into the only lung that slugs have. Piccolo breaths in the same manner as a human through his mouth and into what I can only assume are his lungs (plural). Slugs' external bodies contain a layer of mucous that keeps them hydrated for survival purposes. If exposed to intense heat, the fluids in their body would evaporate quickly. During the Tournament of Power, Piccolo showed no hesitation or signs of dehydration to exposure from intense molten minerals surrounding him during the battle with Prum. Another differing quality is the antennae, which in slugs are eye-stalks with optical as well as some olfactory functionality. In Piccolo and other Namekians, their antennae seem to possess no specific purpose outside of being used to emit ki as when Piccolo attacked Goku with during the 23rd tournament. Also, slugs actually need to eat to survive, unlike Namekians.

The most Piccolo's species seems to have in common with slugs is a general emphasis on fluids for survival, some aesthetical antennae on the front of their bodies, the ability to reproduce hermaphroditically, and the production of eggs as they're reproducing. Otherwise, Namekians are just another extraterrestrial humanoid race with not too much separating them from actual humans. To argue that Piccolo's internal organs are somehow arranged in a completely foreign manner represents an inferred proposition in and of itself that would require proof to verify. As far as it's understood, Piccolo has all of the important anatomical arrangements relevant to the discussion that would prove exploitable for someone like Hit. Furthermore, as stated previously, Piccolo's sense of self and cognitive function would be endangered due to not just respiratory trauma, but also potential trauma to the temporal area of the skull which happens to have the thinnest layer of bone on the skull that could see direct physical harm to the brain (this would include dizziness, unconsciousness, or even death if struck hard enough).
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Nothing suggest that that piccolos organs are in the same spots as a human humanoid or not its all speculation same witg were the nerve endings and pressure points would be located. Piccolo even states as long as his head is intact he can regenerate. He says nothing about the torso which includes his other organs. He can survive as a head. So no messing with his heart which he may not have one or he may have many. he can survive without it for at least a extended period of time.

So again you cant use human anatomy to say it would work on something not human but happens to be humanoid in appearance only.

Buu is humanoid, freiza is humanoid and im sure there are many others.

Hit would not know to go for the head. Respiratory if he can survive aa a head piccolo say this then he can survive without lungs for a extended period of time as well. Freiza can survive without breathing dose that mean he needs it no. Same with buu. Piccolo can produce eggs so obviously his internals are not the same as a human. So even if he has the same parts chance is not in the same places. Need just water so obviously his stomach and intestines are different. Heart is not vital in keeping his brain alive so thats different same with lungs.
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With all due respect, this is sounding like an appeal to ignorance fallacy whereby something is asserted to be true because it hasn't been proven false yet. The assertion of his anatomy somehow being radically different outside of his species' capability for asexual reproduction, anatomical regeneration, and enhanced hearing falls onto your shoulders to verify with evidence from the manga and other source material. I've pointed out the conflicting attributes between the real world species that Piccolo is based off of and his own Namekian heritage. Biological attributes reminiscent and coincident to the respiratory system of the body have been pointed out as well.

Arguments have been made attesting to the inability of Piccolo being unable to neuronally transfer the conscious commands and effort needed for regeneration due to the various symptomatic conditions that would inevitably emerge from cerebral blood deprivation and physical trauma to the blow from striking at sensitive regions like the temporal area. By Toriyama's own account, one of the central components of ki is shoki which translates to "mind" or the inherent necessity of mental faculty in its usage. If the victim were suffering from a possible condition brought about by this physical trauma like, say, epidural hematoma, unconsciousness, seizures, and lack of sensation in the body, they wouldn't be able to function, much less concentrate enough to regrow an appendage or heal their internal organs.
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He has reproductive qualities not found in humans tgis would cause a rearrangement of the organs as thise eggs are vary large meaning the reproductive organs need a large area. And as i recall no baby bump so it has to fit somewhere. No external sexual organs.

Can survive as a head said by piccolo himself. So his heart, lungs, ect.. Are not vital to his survival or that hed be dead. Or he can survive for a extended period of time without said functions.

Only needs water so his intestines and stomach would be different then that of a human. So his bodys natural proscees of producing energy for itself is different.

3 vary distinct vary important differences between human and namekian so why would everything else magically be the same.

Also you keep talking about not having signals like that matters. Piccolo no longer can get signals to his left arm ok fair enough. But he can still get those signals to his left shoulder. He just grows a new arm out of his shoulder while ripping the old one off like he can do with anything else in his body.
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Actually, in slug populations, the eggs are soon discharged after fertilisation to undergo a process known as oviposition whereby the embryonic development occurs outside of the conceiver. In the Namekians' case, they would share more characteristics aligned with the asexual slugs who undergo a process known as parthenogenesis to reproduce. Embryos within the body cellularly create the offspring with the chromosomes needed for asexual reproduction. In the Namekians' situation, whatever embryos they might have appear to be situated adjacent to or in the alimentary canal itself. You can take guesses as to where this embryo is situated - somewhere around where the stomach would be partially fixed? Regardless, somehow this same birthing canal is also used for breathing and respiratory functionality.

You might be surprised at the grotesque degree of physical mutilation that some people have been documented as surviving - Truman Duncan and Peng Shuilin. One of those two had survived with less than half of their full blood supply by the time they got to surgery (for an hour after their accident). Many would say that these stories are nothing short of miracles, but what it also demonstrates is the level of endurance and vitality that humans are capable of portraying. We can glean from the panel of Piccolo's disassembled form that his torso and head were left more or less in-tact. His petrified state would have likely acted as a preservational apparatus for his body, similar to cryogenics. Once Dabura was no longer around to maintain the effects of the petrifaction, Piccolo would have regenerated his body almost immediately. He certainly didn't hold out for almost an hour with half of his body missing or with the equivalent of less than 2.75 litres of blood to keep his body going. Those were normal humans. Piccolo holding out for the duration of a short conversation between Krillin and the Saiyan kids which would have amounted to a few minutes at the most doesn't speak whole volumes as to the extent of his survivability nor did his body look to be all too physically damaged (as reiterated, it was mostly the limbs that took the damage besides getting bisected around the intestinal region).

Water begins to get into absorbed into the bloodstream as quickly as it enters your mouth. However, much of it does make it to the stomach and eventually the intestines before it's mostly absorbed. So the process there would not be all too different from that of a human's, except the emphasis on digestion would be osmotic based instead of involving the breaking down of solid foods into nutrients (despite the fact that Piccolo should be capable of digesting solid foods since we see him eating Sensu on one or two occasions).

The strategy you're proposing would work if Piccolo only had certain nerves like the ones in one of his arms deadened. What my original course of action suggests is that the mental directing needed to begin such an endeavour would be severely impaired or unavailable at worst due to the cerebral injuries sustained and functional deprivation from lack of oxygen. Plus, this doesn't take into account the possibility of Hit striking both the radial and ulnar nerves to render both of Piccolo's arms unsuable.
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Actually, in slug populations, the eggs are soon discharged after fertilisation to undergo a process known as oviposition whereby the embryonic development occurs outside of the conceiver. In the Namekians' case, they would share more characteristics aligned with the asexual slugs who undergo a process known as parthenogenesis to reproduce. Embryos within the body cellularly create the offspring with the chromosomes needed for asexual reproduction. In the Namekians' situation, whatever embryos they might have appear to be situated adjacent to or in the alimentary canal itself. You can take guesses as to where this embryo is situated - somewhere around where the stomach would be partially fixed? Regardless, somehow this same birthing canal is also used for breathing and respiratory functionality.

You might be surprised at the grotesque degree of physical mutilation that some people have been documented as surviving - Truman Duncan and Peng Shuilin. One of those two had survived with less than half of their full blood supply by the time they got to surgery (for an hour after their accident). Many would say that these stories are nothing short of miracles, but what it also demonstrates is the level of endurance and vitality that humans are capable of portraying. We can glean from the panel of Piccolo's disassembled form that his torso and head were left more or less in-tact. His petrified state would have likely acted as a preservational apparatus for his body, similar to cryogenics. Once Dabura was no longer around to maintain the effects of the petrifaction, Piccolo would have regenerated his body almost immediately. He certainly didn't hold out for almost an hour with half of his body missing or with the equivalent of less than 2.75 litres of blood to keep his body going. Those were normal humans. Piccolo holding out for the duration of a short conversation between Krillin and the Saiyan kids which would have amounted to a few minutes at the most doesn't speak whole volumes as to the extent of his survivability nor did his body look to be all too physically damaged (as reiterated, it was mostly the limbs that took the damage besides getting bisected around the intestinal region).

Water begins to get into absorbed into the bloodstream as quickly as it enters your mouth. However, much of it does make it to the stomach and eventually the intestines before it's mostly absorbed. So the process there would not be all too different from that of a human's, except the emphasis on digestion would be osmotic based instead of involving the breaking down of solid foods into nutrients (despite the fact that Piccolo should be capable of digesting solid foods since we see him eating Sensu on one or two occasions).

The strategy you're proposing would work if Piccolo only had certain nerves like the ones in one of his arms deadened. What my original course of action suggests is that the mental directing needed to begin such an endeavour would be severely impaired or unavailable at worst due to the cerebral injuries sustained and functional deprivation from lack of oxygen. Plus, this doesn't take into account the possibility of Hit striking both the radial and ulnar nerves to render both of Piccolo's arms unsuable.
Like i said he can just grow new ones from the spots that he xan acces. The rest of what you put is basically nonsense in relation to the discussion. Ot dose not matter if a human xan survive with only half there blood its not the same as being able to come back from just a head. This is something piccolo says he can do regardless if it was shown or not. How slugs reproduce is also pretty useless to this conversation regardless of how interesting it is lol. The eggs they spew up are still quite large.

As for the eating yah we evem see king piccolo eating dose not change the biology of the namekians only needing water to survive meaning there bodies are built differently. Eating for them is a pleasure not a necessity.

Im not useing dabura to say he can survive as a head im useing the statement about him being able to survive as a head as the evidence. Hell you could argue as long as he has the energy to do so he could regenerate lile cell. As all cells regeneration is, is namekian regeneration. And as we see in the buu saga, gohan training, and several times in ToP it bo longer has a cost on his stamina or power. Or thats its so miniscule that it dose not matter no more.

Regardless surving without a body, his reproduction, and basic biology from digestion to skin color shows that his bodies organs can be destroyed and still live as well as not holding the same biological processes as a humans. You like to bring in animals from our world mainly ones that piccolo is based off of. When there hearts and bodily functions are quite different then a humans and if anything his bodily functions are more towards a gastropod then a human and we can see this by his blood resembling more of theres then a humans(you know after he was changed to a slug person and not a demon lol).

Anyway this whole thing dose not matter in the end neither of them win this fight.
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