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Amazo (Justice League Unlimited) vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: Jul 5 2018, 09:17 PM (2,298 Views)
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How far would JLU Amazo make it in Dragon Ball, Z, GT, and Super?
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A.M.A.Z.O. handily takes the majority of times. He became a cosmic entity and possessed a vast array of abilities and I see few ways he could lose against most characters in this series.
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Get destroyed by Raditz at best and loses to BoDBZ Goku and Piccolo at worst.
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Doesn't get past Saiyan saga Vegeta, the gap in power is too massive for him to do anything, a simple blast would vaporize him easily. Amazo was dangerous given time
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Jul 5 2018, 09:43 PM
Get destroyed by Raditz at best and loses to BoDBZ Goku and Piccolo at worst.
Good God this has to be a joke at this point?

Raditz is easily the most overused character here :rofl:



Anyway, are we talking A.M.A.Z.O. as a baseline or as powerful as he is in JLU and from then on?
Because literally all he has to do is look at people and he has their powers. And he already has the powers of the whole Justice League.

There's no way DB characters realistically beat him, especially not when he has the Martian Manhunter's phasing ability.
Even if you could argue some characters would bumrush him, which let's be real only Kid Buu really ever does that, he can just make the attacks pass through him as he copies the persons power.

He is an absurdly powerful character and his only limitation is what's there for him to copy.


The only way they can win is if they accidentally set off an obscure weakness like if he's using the Martian Manhunter's power and someone somehow sets him on fire.
Though I'm pretty sure by the time he was golden he no longer had weaknesses or something.


I guarantee people will still be like "No but Ki tho" but here:

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Amazo first used his ability to replicate superhuman attributes and weaponry from six of the seven founding members of the Justice League. Subsequently, during Amazo's travels through the universe, he evolved to a nigh-omnipotent state that could easily outmatch the whole expanded League. In his enhanced state, he has flight, super strength, invulnerability, vast energy manipulation, psionic powers like telepathy and telekinesis, super-hearing, can teleport himself across unknown distances, shrink into a subatomic universe, shunt entire planets to other dimensions and just as easily bring them back unharmed with a blink of an eye. Amazo could effortlessly break through a force field created from the combined power of a few dozen Green Lanterns.


He can literally just do whatever the f*** he wants. Chaos magic is the only thing that ever caused him some hassle but Solomon Grundy suped up with it still couldn't kill him he just had to go away and figure out how to beat him.
I think the show ended before that happened though.
Which is good because with a character like A.M.A.Z.O. you can pretty much only win with some supreme plot BS.
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Even ignoring the powers he got from the JL, he could teleport Oa (The Green Lantern Corps planet which is also a Green Lantern) to another dimension and become small enough to enter micro space, as well as send other people to suns (he tried this with Grundy).

Like I said, he became a cosmic entity and nothing in the DCAU could've stopped him from doing what he wanted.
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That's cause they're weak, BoZ Goku and Piccolo can casually destroy the moon and can tank those attacks, the only thing Amazing has that gives him any leverage is J'onn's intangiblity and possibly mind manipulation, possibly. Everyone else is a factor, if he shrinks or won't hide his location.

The guy is doomed.
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That's cause they're weak, BoZ Goku and Piccolo can casually destroy the moon and can tank those attacks, the only thing Amazing has that gives him any leverage is J'onn's intangiblity and possibly mind manipulation, possibly. Everyone else is a factor, if he shrinks or won't hide his location.

The guy is doomed.
That's an absurd way to classify how strong characters are, blowing stuff up isn't that impressive.

Darker just mentioned how A.M.A.Z.O. can casually move planets to other dimensions...how does anyone in Dragon Ball top that aside from non fighters like Shenron and idk, does Zeno even do anything? All I've heard is hype.

Funny thing that, Zeno is often used as a blanket statement winner largely based on hype but if you mention anyone as or more powerful from another series people bring out the "No Limits Fallacy" and all that...hm.



Anyway yeah, they have no realistic hope of doing anything to him.
Especially if this works like a gauntlet because if he couldn't already absorb everything then Super 17 gives him one hilarious boost.

Really though he can warp a whole planet away just because it was in his way, there is absolutely nothing stopping him from warping every character in to the nearest star and considering half of them can barely survive in space I need some huge arguments as to why the centre of a star doesn't instantly melt them.
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Everyone Amazo used his hax like abilities on were simply weaker than him. Amazo isn't that strong now.
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You explained why he wins right there with one word, hax.


Assuming he goes from the start of Dragon Ball he literally just copies everyone's strength as he goes, not that he'd actually need to.
Like BoDB Goku is hardly doing s*** to him is he and the first KHH he done barely destroyed a car.
That's A.M.A.Z.O. with Ki not and he's a super intelligent being that could do far more with it than anyone else around.
Not to mention the sheer amount of power he'd have to use.


The JLU characters are only weak when it comes to physicals, their hax abilities are still hax as heck. Phasing will always be an incredibly unfair power.
But yeah even if you just take the basic Justice League powers he's as fast as The Flash who in that can run around the whole world in like a couple of seconds max, which means he's faster than anyone in Dragon Ball for aaaages.

And that's disregarding his ability to just teleport anyone and anything he wants away, there's no way anyone can just resist that.
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He only wins with it in DC, against Dragon Ball generally if you're stronger than the user who has hax, then it's null and void.

Only the high tires from Dragon Ball can probably hang with him if he's starting with Superman's level of strength. BoZ Goku and Piccolo alone can take him out. Anyone after that s*** stomps Amazo, unless he manages to copy their power at max potential and not just the level they're using.

He has to accelerate the first few times though and even so, Dragon Ball would be able to react to it with ease since they can dodge/react to lightning and attacks that are faster than light. If he's just teleporting them to like outer space then he'd win up until Super Perfect Cell comes around since he is more powerful, faster, has the ability to survive the vacuum of space and has Instantly Transmission.
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A quick reminder that "hax" is not something you measure. It's something that's overturns the usual parameters of power. Saying you can be more powerful than hax is silly, you're more powerful than the person and thus impervious to their abilities. That does not mean they are magically going to be immune to say, radiation poisoning just because they can resist mind control or that old phase-and-crush-heart thing.

What does Amazo actually do in the DCAU, and how do you counteract that?
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He only wins with it in DC, against Dragon Ball generally if you're stronger than the user who has hax, then it's null and void.


...if you're abiding by DB's linear power set, A.M.A.Z.O. does not.

If someone has the power to cut through space and time, it doesn't matter how powerful you want to claim a DB character is, they can't just resist that because they shoot bigger lasers. Unless they have something that specifically resists space time cutting abilities, they get cut by that.

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unless he manages to copy their power at max potential and not just the level they're using.


Do you mean access their full power before they power up? Because if he's copying the very concept of Ki then he probably just rockets past most of them anyway since he's a cosmic being. He can copy and improve.
He wouldn't copy the first KHH and only remain that powerful until he sees more.

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He has to accelerate the first few times though and even so, Dragon Ball would be able to react to it with ease since they can dodge/react to lightning and attacks that are faster than light. If he's just teleporting them to like outer space then he'd win up until Super Perfect Cell comes around since he is more powerful, faster, has the ability to survive the vacuum of space and has Instantly Transmission.


Again A.M.A.Z.O. is a super intelligent being and by that point he'd already have destroyed Frieza. He already has fought many beings that can survive in space.
Everyone is going in the nearest star if they pose even the slightest threat.



If you want Dragon Ball characters to win here you basically have to ignore 99% of A.M.A.Z.O.'s powers and massively high ball everyone in DB. He can just read their minds and know exactly how powerful they are even if he couldn't just sense that anyway.
He's a broken character, hence why they pretty much abandoned him because they write themselves in to a hole every time he appears. He would instantly murk Darkseid and end virtually any conflict otherwise, unless massively downplayed.
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A quick reminder that "hax" is not something you measure. It's something that's overturns the usual parameters of power. Saying you can be more powerful than hax is silly, you're more powerful than the person and thus impervious to their abilities. That does not mean they are magically going to be immune to say, radiation poisoning just because they can resist mind control or that old phase-and-crush-heart thing.

What does Amazo actually do in the DCAU, and how do you counteract that?
I know what hax is no need for the breakdown.

Not every character has this unique perk buddy, as far as this is concerned, Dragon Ball and a few others series where this is true. Only way hax could work on Dragon Ball is if it's cut and done (Mister Carrot or Dabura's spit), or if the powers are dead equals.

Amazo only copies what he sees, Gero thought he had absorbed enough of Piccolo's ki to beat Vegeta and he couldn't even take down a serious Piccolo at all. He's an android and so is Gero, just because he is super intelligent doesn't omit anything.

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