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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 4 2018, 06:45 AM (308 Views) | |
| Bad User | Jul 4 2018, 06:45 AM Post #1 |
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Do you think that themes like homosexuality, per example, should still be avoided/censored in shows for kids (cartoons, series)? One example that I would remember is the lesbian couple in Sailor Moon, Haruna and Michiru, which was turned into a 'cousin-ship' in some dubs. Interested in non-homophobic points of views. |
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| + Steve | Jul 4 2018, 09:17 AM Post #2 |
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I don't think it should be censored it just shouldn't have attention drawn to it, nor with heterosexuality. Leave children to figure out who they are on their own instead of confusing them when they should be learning important life building information instead. I would much rather have been learning about my skills and trying to figure out what I realistically want as a profession later in life than what adults do in their private life. All they need to know is that they'll be supported in however they feel. Kind of off topic but I wonder how sex education should be handled with this... Like with homosexual males, should anal sex ever be taught? They're gonna do it anyway and it can be quite dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. Seems a gray area. I'm sure more conservative parents would sooner burn down any school suggesting it though. |
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| + Pointer | Jul 4 2018, 10:15 AM Post #3 |
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I think this should not be forced to be there in a kids show. I however refuse to believe that any moments of this can influence a kids sexual orientation. Its not like a hetero girl watches the legend of korra and then she somehow magically begins to have interest in other girls. Its just not the way around |
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| smoochymucci | Jul 4 2018, 12:54 PM Post #4 |
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I think things like this should be avoided, as to not confuse young children. |
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| + Green | Jul 4 2018, 01:49 PM Post #5 |
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If the kid is apart of the LGBT group, how would it confuse them? I feel like it would give them clarity. I'm fine with it in kids shows because it makes children aware of how many different lifestyles exist in the world. I rather they be exposed as children and believe that difference is a normal accepted aspect of life than grow up and difference is an abomination. |
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| Tinny | Jul 4 2018, 02:41 PM Post #6 |
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I might be biased, but my view is more or less this. My existence is not, nor should it be, rated R. That is a bit simplistic I'll admit but like, I do think same sex relationships and trans people should be a perfectly fine part, at least in so far as it's covered the same way that heterosexual relationships are (kiss and romantic subplots and all that stuff straight people get to do). The creators should not be constrained, and on the contrary, I do think there's value in covering this sort of stuff, either indirectly (people in relationships are the same sex and it's not a big deal, it's just there) or more directly and dealing with it (much the same way you sometimes see the star crossed lovers that parents don't want to allow because family/class/money/race etc) or even outright featuring a romantic subplot as if it's normal (that is to say, a guy and a guy or a woman and a woman have a romance going on and it's not portrayed as in any way stranger than straight relationships). Kids shows are not simply shows to keep them occupied by uncle television, they help and mold the generation, and in that sense I do believe that shows should cover LGBTQ relationships, as to expose straight children to the idea, and as to help guide the LGBTQ children (particularly pre-teens and early teens) through the various stages of their lives where they are confused and know little. And not to mention, it's good for self-esteem to have positive examples in fiction of people who look like or act like you.
However, I would say a lesbian girl watching might appreciate the fact that Korra is an awesome person who's also a lesbian like her. That alone is worth a lot as a kid, to see yourself in the heroes, rather than just the villains (who do occasionally skirt the line, it's the reason a lot of Disney villains end up becoming gay icons). Heck for those who realize they're gay or lesbian later in life, it'll help prevent a lot of confusion and "What is wrong with me" if they already have a few positive examples of what they're feeling (Like Asami and Korra). If it's normalized, you can manage to avoid a lot of potential self-loathing that can happen when people realize their sexuality. It's a big part of why I think introducing these relationships to them at a young age is so important at any rate. It doesn't confuse people like smoochymucci claims, if anything it prevents confusion. Sex ed should cover the ways to avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancy (and the good ones do go into this specifically). Anal sex would hopefully be taught in so far as how it should be done to prevent hurting oneself, having a health relationship with hat involved, potential risks and how to avoid them. Or in conservative schools it'd be a big scare about 'STDs and pregnancy and that's why you should never have sex until marriage kthxbye' thing that never works. Edited by Tinny, Jul 4 2018, 02:53 PM.
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| + Ginyu | Jul 4 2018, 03:46 PM Post #7 |
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No I don't think it should be censored. Teach kids that it's normal and it exists and you avoid problems later. However I do think that very often left-wing biased creators force homosexuality in there. That's not supposed to happen, a kids show is not supposed to be a political statement or propaganda. That's just not ethical, kids are way too easy to influence and indoctrinate. But censor it? No, we as a society can agree there's nothing wrong with it right? Then don't censor it. |
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| Tinny | Jul 4 2018, 04:17 PM Post #8 |
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To be fair, in a world (country at least) where "Are Nazis bad?" Is a political issue, I do think certain political messages like "homosexuality is not evil" and "people are equal" is a perfectly acceptable message to pass on to children. I would particularly say that those shows that teach lessons to kids all the time should be teaching them lessons like what I said, about how homosexuality is normal and perfectly valid. |
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| + Steve | Jul 4 2018, 04:35 PM Post #9 |
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I think at most it should just casually be in there, have gay couples and straight couples that kiss each other goodbye and say "I love you" when appropriate. Otherwise you're putting questions on children they don't really need to be asked yet, they shouldn't be worrying about their sexuality until they actually start developing that way. This approach would make it totally normal to see a character with two dads or two mothers etc etc without making kids question themselves more than they need to. If they know society doesn't care then they have no cause for worry. Certainly it would be better than putting characters like HIM from Powerpuff Girls everywhere and saying this is what transgender people are like
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| + Son-Goku | Jul 4 2018, 04:47 PM Post #10 |
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This is actually along the lines of what I was going to say. It's better not to have per confusion. |
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| Tinny | Jul 4 2018, 06:47 PM Post #11 |
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What about the kids that become LGBT? Won't they be confused and wonder if this is normal or if they're some kind of freak? What about those who meet LGBT people later in life? Won't they be confused? Your suggestion and reasoning will not stop confusion, it will only invite it. Edited by Tinny, Jul 4 2018, 06:48 PM.
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| + Ginyu | Jul 4 2018, 06:50 PM Post #12 |
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you're only causing confusion when you introduce kids to it at a later age. Kids don't get confused. They see something at a very young age and proceed to think it's normal. |
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| + Steve | Jul 4 2018, 07:14 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah it should just be "There" I think and offer no reaction so it's totally normal. Instead of like whole episodes of shows being like WOAH all these people are gay! Are you gay too!? What if you are? Rack your tiny mind and try to figure it out! You biggest concerns in life are getting pudding for dinner but you should definitely be focused on your sexuality. That's what I would call forced. General inclusion is fine. Straight people in shows are normal but I don't really remember any shows that went out of their way to go on about how only men and women can get married and stuff, nor anything that really put much focus on relationships at all. Maybe years ago but I doubt you get that now. Johnny Bravo is probably the only thing that comes to mind that could have any problematic messages about sexuality, though can't remember much in the way of anti-LGBT, not that I understood at the time at least. I'd say around the time shows are aimed at kids maybe 10+ they should go a bit more in depth, since kids are past the dumb stages of thinking babies come out of their mums stomachs and just kind of appear by magic, though who knows how that actually works. |
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