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Ultra Instinct Goku vs Omega Shenron
Topic Started: Jul 1 2018, 09:30 PM (1,046 Views)
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I think goku could win. He's obviously going to have the advantage in hand to to hand and even though shenron has regeneration goku could land a point blank kamehameha like he did against kefla and maybe that could completely destroy him
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Jul 2 2018, 11:01 PM
I think goku could win. He's obviously going to have the advantage in hand to to hand and even though shenron has regeneration goku could land a point blank kamehameha like he did against kefla and maybe that could completely destroy him
Id say it would take more then 1 kamea wave 2 at the least Hed have to wear down omegas stamina which affects his regen. And one kamea wave from someone his level should hurt him pretty badly.
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Pretty sure it's stated Gogeta didn't put enough into his attack, or that he was too busy fooling around to notice his time was running out.
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It's funny, Ultra Instinct in its mastered status is easily one of the cheapest abilities in Dragon Ball. If Goku can read all of his opponent's attacks, with his abilities and powers increasing the longer the fight goes on, Omega would lose shortly afterwards.

I know this is supposed to be an equal battle but Ultra Instinct's abilities shouldn't be holstered due to this since it's part of the technique.

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A Kamehameha isn't going to put down Omega Shenron, not even close. He got his body blown to bits by a Dragon Fist, an obnoxiously strong attack if there ever was one and he was 100% fine. The one used on Kefla is also going to be difficult to get to work because Omega can in fact just use the Minus Energy Power Ball in order to force a clash with Goku before it's fully charged due to the size of it.

Furthermore, Omega does have Haze's negative energy pollution ability so Ultra Instinct probably lasts even less time
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Maybe not, but Goku in Mastered Ultra Instinct is seriousas they come, he doesn't have to reverse the Negative Energy on earth, he just has to win. Omega's regen is debatable, if Goku continuously gets stronger to the point his power will outgrow what Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was, the regen isn't gonna help if he just get hit by a Kamehameha of that level he'll at best be at be in his weakened Syn state. Another Kamehameha would end it.
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Maybe not, but Goku in Mastered Ultra Instinct is seriousas they come, he doesn't have to reverse the Negative Energy on earth, he just has to win. Omega's regen is debatable, if Goku continuously gets stronger to the point his power will outgrow what Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was, the regen isn't gonna help if he just get hit by a Kamehameha of that level he'll at best be at be in his weakened Syn state. Another Kamehameha would end it.
As serious as they come but he's defined by standing around just looking menacingly at Jiren until his time runs out? :o_O: In the one fight that Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku had, he utterly failed at being serious and would have lost had Freeza and 17 not shown up to bail him out of his error. Goku does not go full serious mode in MUI, not at all.

The Minus Energy Power Ball is absolutely going to be bad for Goku and he will need to take care of it. The thing corrupts and destroys everything around it, if he's not shutting down Omega quickly they'll be fighting in a maelstrom of destructive energy and natural disasters as we clearly see Omega start to do to the Earth. That's all well and good for Omega, who can afford to fight in a hampered environment. Goku on the other hand cannot because he's on a very, very strict time limit.

Goku is also equal power, he's not gonna get as strong relative to Omega as SSJ4 Gogeta did.
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That's not an equal comparison though. Omega was stronger than ssj4 goku right?
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That's not an equal comparison though. Omega was stronger than ssj4 goku right?
He was by like 10x.

Omegas best feat is the big bang and that was not gogetas max just was supposed go kill him. It did weaken him greatly and slow his regen to a crawl if another would do the trick.

Nothing suggest omega would be able to take more then 2 kamea waves. The first weakens him and his regen the second he might survive but not a third. With UI speed advatage it would be hard for omega to land a finishing blow on goku. Not to mention ToP Goku has shown to be able to take alot of punishment and get back up.

I also feel like we have to give goku a maintainable UI if we are going to put him up against someone. If we are going to keep him from doing his little gain power thing we have to at least allow him to have UI maintainable.

I dont see the negative energy as much of a worry for goku its not really that bad it took sometime to do. So he dose not have that level of power every time he would fight. For omega to make a negative energy ball strong enough hed have to give give it time to spread right. Correct if im wrong but thats how i thought that whole negative power ball thing worked. Just negative energy that was spreading through the universe.
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Maybe not, but Goku in Mastered Ultra Instinct is seriousas they come, he doesn't have to reverse the Negative Energy on earth, he just has to win. Omega's regen is debatable, if Goku continuously gets stronger to the point his power will outgrow what Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was, the regen isn't gonna help if he just get hit by a Kamehameha of that level he'll at best be at be in his weakened Syn state. Another Kamehameha would end it.
As serious as they come but he's defined by standing around just looking menacingly at Jiren until his time runs out? :o_O: In the one fight that Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku had, he utterly failed at being serious and would have lost had Freeza and 17 not shown up to bail him out of his error. Goku does not go full serious mode in MUI, not at all.

The Minus Energy Power Ball is absolutely going to be bad for Goku and he will need to take care of it. The thing corrupts and destroys everything around it, if he's not shutting down Omega quickly they'll be fighting in a maelstrom of destructive energy and natural disasters as we clearly see Omega start to do to the Earth. That's all well and good for Omega, who can afford to fight in a hampered environment. Goku on the other hand cannot because he's on a very, very strict time limit.

Goku is also equal power, he's not gonna get as strong relative to Omega as SSJ4 Gogeta did.
He failed cause he wasn't able to maintain Mastered Ultra Instinct, if he could've he would've won undoubtedly. Him failing to finish wasn't a result of him messing around so get that out your head.

So you're saying he's gonna go straight for it? The dude doesn't always go straight to that attack. Its either a panic or finished move, he never starts off with that. By the time he does he'd be overwhelmed before he knew what hit him and weakened from the Kamehameha.

How is he equal? Ultra Instinct is a technique that gradually increased the user's fighting efficiency; this includes making the user getting stronger and faster etc.

Edit: OP states its equal power levels also, so if they're power are equal initially Ultra Instinct will increase his raw strength too if its doing so for his speed.
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Maybe not, but Goku in Mastered Ultra Instinct is seriousas they come, he doesn't have to reverse the Negative Energy on earth, he just has to win. Omega's regen is debatable, if Goku continuously gets stronger to the point his power will outgrow what Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was, the regen isn't gonna help if he just get hit by a Kamehameha of that level he'll at best be at be in his weakened Syn state. Another Kamehameha would end it.
As serious as they come but he's defined by standing around just looking menacingly at Jiren until his time runs out? :o_O: In the one fight that Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku had, he utterly failed at being serious and would have lost had Freeza and 17 not shown up to bail him out of his error. Goku does not go full serious mode in MUI, not at all.

The Minus Energy Power Ball is absolutely going to be bad for Goku and he will need to take care of it. The thing corrupts and destroys everything around it, if he's not shutting down Omega quickly they'll be fighting in a maelstrom of destructive energy and natural disasters as we clearly see Omega start to do to the Earth. That's all well and good for Omega, who can afford to fight in a hampered environment. Goku on the other hand cannot because he's on a very, very strict time limit.

Goku is also equal power, he's not gonna get as strong relative to Omega as SSJ4 Gogeta did.
He failed cause he wasn't able to maintain Mastered Ultra Instinct, if he could've he would've won undoubtedly. Him failing to finish wasn't a result of him messing around so get that out your head.

So you're saying he's gonna go straight for it? The dude doesn't always go straight to that attack. Its either a panic or finished move, he never starts off with that. By the time he does he'd be overwhelmed before he knew what hit him and weakened from the Kamehameha.

How is he equal? Ultra Instinct is a technique that gradually increased the user's fighting efficiency; this includes making the user getting stronger and faster etc.

Edit: OP states its equal power levels also, so if they're power are equal initially Ultra Instinct will increase his raw strength too if its doing so for his speed.
We also have whis saying that with this technique you are faster even if the other person is equal as you are no longer thinking about your moves and such. So he is faster in that regard as well.
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I can see goku winning this. Omega has more abilities but what are they going to do if they can't hit goku? Omega's regen has only been shown against goku who was weaker than him and gogeta who held back. Idk how fair it is to say the KHH would work for sure but maybe. I think it's up in the air with that
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It's common sense it would work, the Kamehameha amps the overall battle power.
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Omega does a Kamehameha and wins. I win.
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Goku would need to keep up his autopilot dodging thing while trying to find an opening to charge and fire a strong Kamehameha at Yi Xing Long, which would be rather difficult given Yi's vast skill set and Goku's strict time limit. Also, trying to devise that sort of strategy would probably short-circuit Ultra Instinct since the "form" relies on the user basically keeping their brain turned off.
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