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| Ultra Instinct Goku vs Omega Shenron | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 1 2018, 09:30 PM (1,043 Views) | |
| + Son-Goku | Jul 1 2018, 09:30 PM Post #1 |
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| Slifer | Jul 1 2018, 11:04 PM Post #2 |
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Omega outlasts him. As nice as UI is it's not gonna do much at equal levels against an opponent like this. Goku doesn't have anything in his arsenal that can permanently put him away. He'll have the upper hand for awhile but UI won't last forever, then he's screwed. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 1 2018, 11:12 PM Post #3 |
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Goku is faster in this scenario and thats a key factory into his victory. Omega may have insane regen but his power and regen can be taken out with basic damage. He dose not have infinite stamina to keep regenerating like buu. I believe goku would be able to beat him down eventually. |
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| Dankness Lava | Jul 1 2018, 11:20 PM Post #4 |
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Is the time limit in effect? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 1 2018, 11:33 PM Post #5 |
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Probably Yi Xing Long, cuz he can regenerate. If he could form a Genki Dama while dodging, he could win, lol. |
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| lazerbem | Jul 2 2018, 12:24 AM Post #6 |
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Ultra Instinct is easily among one of the worst transformations for equal power levels. It lasted less than a minute before Goku crashed. Without the huge power boost, you're left with only reflexive attacks, which is good, but have fun trying to finish the fight in only one minute with just that. This goes double for Omega who is not only ridiculously durable but also has really good regeneration. I can't actually think of a way for Goku to win here. Even a Spirit Bomb would take too long to charge before he collapses from Ultra Instinct's strain |
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| Vance | Jul 2 2018, 01:12 AM Post #7 |
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Omega Shenron survived a Big Bang Kamehameha from SSJ4 Gogeta. The power gap between them is well over 10x (arguably triple digits) Aside from someone like a Buu, or someone with "hax" abilities (i.e. Gogeta's Soul Punisher), no one is beating Omega Shenron at equal power levels. |
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| + Pointer | Jul 2 2018, 10:13 AM Post #8 |
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If omega had been stronger than gogeta as u mentined by tanking khh he would not have had a problem with the fusion and still gogeta basically blitzed him. Omega tanking the khh is a flaw in the plot Its like vegeta pre zenkai could have tanked a full power attack of final form frieza. Nonsense |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 2 2018, 11:35 AM Post #9 |
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Its flawed to think that gogeta was giving that big bang all he had. Nothing suggest he went full power. It seemed way to casual to me for him to be at full power. Also like ive mentioned his regen takes stamina which he dose not have a infinite amount so he cant keep doing it like buu. So he cant just casually wear down someone equal to him because he would then be worn down. I do believe if goku has a time limit he will lose 100% of the time. But if he dose not he is to fast for omega and goku will wear him down to the point a kamea wave will kill him. So id say goku wins 8/10 |
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| + Pointer | Jul 2 2018, 02:44 PM Post #10 |
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In that case assj vegezta certainly not giving his max when he made the final flash against cell Gogeta may be holding back but certainly not so much. He was about to kill omega remember |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 2 2018, 02:58 PM Post #11 |
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Yes afterwards he says he will not be able to take another hit like that because his power took a hit. He was not uping the attack he was never said to go all out. Thats like saying vegito went all out against buu and gogeta went all out against janamba. They had no reason to. Gogeta underestimated omegas regen thats all. He has plenty of power to put omega away. Vegeta has nothing to do with this conversation. Edited by StrenuousSpider, Jul 2 2018, 02:59 PM.
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| Vance | Jul 2 2018, 10:17 PM Post #12 |
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"Nothing suggests he went full power" automatically equates to "UI Goku beats Omega Shenron" now, apparently lol. SSJ4 Gogeta was over 10x stronger than Omega, most likely over 100x since Omega was within 10x stronger than either of the SSJ4 individually. If Gogeta even used 10% of his power, he'd have a good chance to obliterate Omega, so even if he wasn't going "full power" (no evidence to suggest he wasn't, he was intent on finishing Omega and was surprised that he'd survived the assault) he'd have been releasing far more energy than UI Goku is capable of dishing out under these circumstances. How UI Goku, who couldn't even maintain his form for over a few minutes, is going to defeat one of the most durable entities in Dragonball, is beyond me. |
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| Vance | Jul 2 2018, 10:23 PM Post #13 |
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Where on earth did you get "Omega is 10x stronger than Gogeta" from my post? Very clearly, it was referencing SSJ4 Gogeta being well over 10x stronger than Omega Shenron (since Omega himself is 10x stronger than either SSJ4, and his feats against them pale in comparison to Gogeta's against him). It's not a plot point for an entity far weaker than another to survive a full power (or even moderately powered) blast. Vegeta tanked a KKx4 Kamehameha (minimum of 24k, likely higher) and survived. Buu tanked shots from beings stronger than him, Vegeta took an assbeating from Kid Buu |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 2 2018, 10:54 PM Post #14 |
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Ive literally said if he has a time limit he loses 100% of the time if not he can win. Also the OP never specified if he could or could not maintain the form. Its like people on this site dont even bother to read previous post. Anyway ive never said that gogeta not going all out ment omega loses here. Just that you cant say he can take a full power attack from gogeta when nothing indicates gogeta was at full power as he had no reason to use that level of power. Gogeta can sense ki so he probably figured this level is whats needed but its not enough to over come his regen. The gap between omega and gogeta is as large as the gap between goku and merged zamasu its huge. If he went all out im sure he is stronger then that spirit bomb which killed omega. Hell ssj3 goku can kill kid buu if he went all out and buus regen > omegas regen. Like ive said UI here has a distinct speed advatage over omega even at equal power levels which is going to help him here. Omegas regen, stamina, and power can be beaten down. Gogeta said omega would not have been able to take another shot at the same level as before meaning his regen only held up one attack that was supposed to be strong enough to kill him. Edited by StrenuousSpider, Jul 2 2018, 11:02 PM.
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| StrenuousSpider | Jul 2 2018, 11:01 PM Post #15 |
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Kinda of shotty comparisons if you ask me. Yes vegeta survived big whoop And of course buu did but goku stated he could put buu away twice. Buus regen dose not slow down like omegas. If vegito wanted he could have put buu away. Buu was playing with vegeta in both fights lol. |
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