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| Piccolo,17,Gohan,Pirina,Saonel vs .....; Where does this team stop? | |
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| Amerson26 | Jun 30 2018, 08:42 AM Post #1 |
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Team 1 pride troopers Dyspo Kahseral Cocotte Vuon Tupper Zoiray Kettol Kunshi Team 2 Rage trunk SSJ rose goku Regular SSJ blue goku: Goku black arc Regular SSJ blue vegeta: Goku black arc Team 3 Regular SSJ blue vegeta ToP Regular SSJ blue goku ToP Team 4 Hit Golden frieza How far would battle intelligence, strategies and just enough power to take on a ssj blue. Could they win? |
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| superperfectnerd | Jun 30 2018, 11:07 AM Post #2 |
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They get stomped by team 2. It's really hard to gauge where power is supposed to be in the TOP arc because Goku's recruitment is weird, he uses ssjb specifically to be able to lower and raise his level to any point. He goes ssj against Krillin, needs nothing more than ssj3 for 17 in the manga and 17 and Gohan seem relative. Gohan says he's going all out against ssj2 Goku and then goes even more all out apparently to fight blue. Goku using kaioken against Gohan is because his son asked to fight his best and just because Gohan didn't immediately explode, doesnt mean he's on blue level because Gou used blue against Krillin as well and Toppo can take Gohan's Kamehameha like nothing. Plus the fact that long, drawn out fights taking multiple episodes are actually happening in a few seconds in the tournament, so 17 isn't really taking on the heavy hitters like he appears, he's simply surviving for 0.03 seconds before somebody else intervenes. I don't have Gohan or 17 above ssj3 Goku, so they couldn't handle rage Trunks imo. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 30 2018, 11:13 AM.
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| Amerson26 | Jun 30 2018, 11:25 AM Post #3 |
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But I don’t think rage trunks could take on a special bean cannon from piccolo catch off guard. So if 17 can make trunks focus on him then trunks will be wide open. As far goku and vegeta they probably solo everyone but idk the universe 6 namekians May be able to hold they ground with the help of Gohan. And I would say Gohan is between ssj god and ssj blue. He did nothing against toppo but he was able to stick with Friza and dyspo in battle power at least. So that’s above ssj 3 for sure. And ssj god can do damage to blue. Blue is stronger but not to the point where a ssj god level character can’t do damage. Edited by Amerson26, Jun 30 2018, 11:30 AM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jun 30 2018, 12:48 PM Post #4 |
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I really don't think the feats and statements in Super are easy to quantify, it's trying in some ways in the TOP to say raw power can be overcome by strategy but then doing poorly in actually showing it and it goes against what we've seen in the past continuity, so it's really hard to make all feats fit. Take ssj2 Trunks being on par with ssj2 Goku but fighting at ssjb level with Goku Black in rose, the only way it makes sense is if Black was concentrating on Goku and pulling his punches with Trunks but the anime doesn't explicitly show that or say that, it just looks like Trunks is at ssjb Goku level, then he goes ssj rage and is... at ssjb Goku level. Goku danced on Toppo's face in ssjb and Vegeta was getting the better of him in ssjb as well but just because Goku showed off kaioken in front of Toppo, some think he's above base ssjb but it can be interpreted multiple ways. Gohan struggled with ssj2 Goku and said he was using "full power", it's only been fully implied Goku has best ki control and can fight at different levels more easily in base, fpssj and blue, so wouldn't that imply that, Ssj2 Goku full power < Gohan full power < ssjb Goku at the level he chose to use in that fight <<<<<<<<< ssjb Goku <<<<<<< kaioken blue Goku because Gohan asked for it but Goku's clearly not going to kill Gohan Edit: plus, in terms of feats, you can have ssjb Goku and ssjb Vegeta even, vegeta manages to dodge Jiren's attacks and land some blows, Goku can use kaiokenX20 on top of blue and still come out vastly inferior to an opponent Vegeta is doing relatively "well" against. Jiren is over twenty times ssjb and they still manage to fight him somewhat, so why is Gohan on Goku's level from one instance of fighting him somewhat in both ssj2 and blue? He could be 20 fold weaker than ssjb and it still make sense in Super logic. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 30 2018, 03:26 PM.
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