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Anyone interested in a Tournament-style "Team Versus"?
Topic Started: Jun 28 2018, 10:45 PM (361 Views)
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As the title suggests, I was wondering if anyone here would be interested in starting a sort of "tournament" between members of this forum, particularly those who frequent the Versus section (open to all, of course). The basis of the tournament will be having "teams" of characters compete with one another, with both participants creating a strategy and submitting it for the public to vote on. The person whose team + strategy receives the most votes wins, and advances to the next round. Rebuttals would not be mandatory, but would certainly help in advancing your position.

The tournament would run on a points system, with each participant afforded a certain number of points to spend on team members. Said team members will obviously be Dragonball characters, arranged according to a points-based tier list which the community decides upon. For instance, if we assume each participant starts with 40 points to spend, and the tier list looks like this (incredibly preliminary, a real tier list would be far more structured / weighted):

(40 points)
Goku (up to SSJ)
Final Form Frieza (up to 100%)

(30 points)
Goku (up to Kaoiken x 20)
Final Form Frieza (up to 60%)

(20 points)
Goku (base)
Final Form Frieza (initial)
Vegeta (post-Dende)

(10 points)
Piccolo (fused w/ Nail)
Namek Gohan (enraged)


You could have three participants with varied teams, such as:

Team 1
Goku (up to SSJ)

Team 2
Goku (up to Kaoiken x 20)
Piccolo (fused w/ Nail)

Team 3
Goku (base)
Final Form Frieza (initial)


Each participant would thereby have to argue as to why their team can defeat another it is pitted against, with restrictions of course (i.e. no planet busting, characters with poor knowledge of one another can't be expected to anticipate certain techniques, characters with disparate personalities can't be expected to sacrifice themselves for one another) The strategy each team would require to succeed would vary, with some otherwise irrelevant characters finding themselves useful in tackling far stronger opponents (i.e. Krillin with Solar Flare + Destruco Disc, Master Roshi with Mafuba, Tien with Neo-Tri Beam).


Obviously the tier list would be the most pressing issue at hand, which would require the insight of others in this forum. I'd love to having these sorts of tournaments across the span of a few days/weeks to allow for some interesting discussion, as well as to see the types of teams / strategies people come up with. Ideally, the inaugural tournament would perhaps start with a Saiyan-saga / Namek saga cap, as I feel it's easiest to have debate without having God-Ki / casual planet busting as a complication. It would also make the tier list easier to construct, and thus easier to build upon / tailor as we move through the sagas.
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I could see myself doing this
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Very interesting suggestion. Not sure if I'll be part of this, though.
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So this is like a RP tournament basically, just with Dragon Ball characters?
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Jun 28 2018, 11:13 PM
So this is like a RP tournament basically, just with Dragon Ball characters?
I can't say I'm too familiar with what an RP Tournament is. I'm assuming that's League of Legends?
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Its essentially a battle of wording and brilliance, meaning no matter how stronger or hax a character is to the inferior, if the poster has creativity compared to the other then even Hercule could beat Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
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Whoa this is cool, yeah I'd probably do this. It reminds me of those destructive points in BT3. So is this RP then?
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Jun 29 2018, 12:58 AM
Its essentially a battle of wording and brilliance, meaning no matter how stronger or hax a character is to the inferior, if the poster has creativity compared to the other then even Hercule could beat Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
While I'm all for having weaker characters' unique abilities playing a role in defeating stronger opponents, I don't think that kind of extreme would mesh well with the point system. If 1 point Hercule can defeat (hypothetical) 100 point SSJ4 Goku, there'd be little need for the latter.

To your point, if someone was creative and constructed a well balanced team, it'd be entirely possible for someone such as Saiyan Saga Krillin to defeat someone as powerful as Full Power Boujack. They would need to have a firm grasp of both characters' abilities and justify the outcome with a realistic / clever gameplan, not just "Krillin uses Destructo Disc and Boujack gets cut in half"
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As an RPer, that's not necessarily the standard for a battle. I've had a hand in RPing a vastly outmatched character against another superior one. It's a standard in the writing tournaments though.
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I'll give it a shot lol
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Glad to see people are interested in the idea! I've been involved in several of these style 'tournaments' (albeit with Naruto, which is admittedly more strategic-friendly).

I feel the most important thing moving forward would be to structure a tier-list which is fair & accurately reflects the capabilities of characters from the show. A couple factors will need to be taken into account, most notably the canon lore, the stated power levels, and of course the "haxed" abilities that certain characters possess (i.e. Krillin). I think we'd be best served having the first tournament with a Saiyan-saga cap, as said saga highlighted how weaker characters can work together to overthrow stronger characters. Moving forward, we can adjust the tier list when incorporating more powerful entities.


I'll post an (extremely) rough draft of how the tier list could look. Please feel free to add units you believe are worthy, as well as indicate if you feel some characters are too high / low. This list was determined with a 40 point allowance in mind, though we can always increase it if you all feel it to be preferable.


(40 pts)
Vegeta (w/ Oozaru)
Goku (up to Kaoiken x 4)

(32 pts)
Vegeta (w/o Oozaru)
Goku (up to Kaoiken x 3)

(25 pts)
Goku (up to Kaoiken)
Kid Gohan (w/ Oozaru)

(15 pts)
Nappa
Goku (w/o Kaoiken)

(8 pts)
Piccolo
Tien
Krillin

(5 pts)
Raditz
Yamcha
Kid Gohan
Saibaman

(3 pts)
Goku (BoZ)
Piccolo (BoZ)

(2 pt)
Yajirobe
Master Roshi
High tier Dragonball characters

(1 pt)
Low tier Dragonball character


I'm not very well-versed in the original Dragonball, so I'd appreciate if someone with more knowledge could provide insight as to how the original DB characters would fit into this tier list. Upon expanding the bottom tier, I think we could alter the tier list & increase/decrease the total number of points allotted. Clearly, I'm missing quite a lot of characters, but I feel this gives a bit of a feel of how the "power levels" relate to the points tier list.
Edited by Vance, Jun 30 2018, 07:09 AM.
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Well first off: Kami, King Piccolo, and Cyborg Tao etc I think should be higher than Master Roshi, with him being potentially mid tier since he was relevant for like 2 of the 3 tournaments in the original Dragon Ball.

Korin can be considered low high tier since he was superior to human Tao and Kid Goku.
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