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Ssj4 gogeta vs dbs.
Topic Started: Jun 17 2018, 04:00 PM (2,314 Views)
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How long would ssj4 gogeta last against dbs characters?
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Wins against all non-BoG SSJG Tier characters

Lasts only a few seconds against BoG SSJG Goku and beyond
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I'd say he's equal to Super Saiyan 2 Kafla.
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Better yet! He beats everyone.
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Ho would beat everyone . He wouls beat even rage ssj2 vegeta and would impress beerus that he is indeed something. Would be utterly stomped by ssjgod goku though so


He would beat the u6 saiyans and basically everyone who is below ssjg goki

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Stomps anything below SSG, gets murked by anything SSG tier and above.
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I could maybe see him beat SSG Goku during the Beerus Saga. But anything stronger than that, he can't take.
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SSJ4 Gogeta lasts only a few seconds against anyone BoG Arc SSJ God Goku level and above
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I think he’s roughly equal to BoG Godku, and could possibly defeat him in a fight if he can finish it within 10 minutes. So, manga-wise he would be decently impressive and have a lot of favorable match-ups but anime-wise he isn’t doing much.
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I'm sure SS4 Gogeta could easily blaze through everyone in Super except the higher-ranking Destroyer gods, Angels, and anyone else on or above their power level.

Trying to accurately measure and compare the power levels within GT and Super, much less try to compare them between the two series, is a massive exercise in futility. It's a big jumbled mess of inconsistency, abandoned concepts, and sloppy writing.

I know people try to use SSG Goku's universe-shaking fight with Beerus as some sort of measuring stick to compare to Yi Xing Long's own attempted universe-erasing... but that was a massively inconsistent outlier, and the entire concept was dumped faster than Butta after drinking a case of Red Bull.

Given how inconsistently it's all written, I think it's a lot smarter — or at least much less of a headache — to keep it simple and just view and compare the highest-tier characters in these two compatriot spin-off series through a more narrative lens rather than an ultra-analytical in-universe one. When I do that, it seems obvious to me that someone like SS4 Gogeta would still be among the best of the best no matter which setting he's placed in.



TL;DR — Both GT and Super are wildly inconsistent with their power-scaling, and it's almost useless to try accurately measuring things within them, much less between them. So narratively speaking, if SS4 Gogeta were transferred over to Super I'm sure he'd be treated as an incredibly top-tier character.
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Eh, I don't think either are terribly inconsistent with the power scaling. The problem is the vagueness and the bloat. You can work with both series, the numbers are just really high, to a point where it stretches credulity.
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I disagree. Just because Gogeta is treated as a top tier in his series doesn't mean he will be the treated the same in an different series. If that was the Case, I could very well say that King Piccolo, can beat Cell because he was treated in the show as a figure of remarkable strength, whereas Cell isn't.

People use SSG Goku's feat because it puts him on a higher pedestal than what GT had. Also, I don't see how that concept was duped. Just because nobody else after him tried to destroy the universe doesn't mean I can disregard his feat. So I don't see how it is an outlier.
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Eh, I don't think either are terribly inconsistent with the power scaling. The problem is the vagueness and the bloat. You can work with both series, the numbers are just really high, to a point where it stretches credulity.


Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. The amount of apparent crazy bloat that both series can seem to have makes it almost impossible to measure or compare them.

It's like two rocket-powered cars shoot away racing each other at 300 mph, and then you have to stand all the way back at the starting line and squint to see them on the horizon. You're gonna have a real hard time telling which one got ahead and won the race.

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I disagree. Just because Gogeta is treated as a top tier in his series doesn't mean he will be the treated the same in an different series. If that was the Case, I could very well say that King Piccolo, can beat Cell because he was treated in the show as a figure of remarkable strength, whereas Cell isn't.


That's... a pretty substantial false equivalence.

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Maybe, but I disagree with your reasoning that because Gogeta was treated as a top tier character in GT means he would be the same in Super, unless this isn't what you mean.

A debate between characters has them analyzing feats and statements and decide who is the stronger. I can't just think about how Gogeta would be treated in Super and then base my reasoning on it, that's not how it works.

Also, you still haven't explained how Goku's feat is an outlier.
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