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These videogame characters can destroy Goku apparently
Topic Started: Jun 12 2018, 11:06 PM (1,362 Views)
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Apparent these characters can destroy goku. Link: https://www.thegamer.com/video-game-characters-whod-destroy-goku-and-some-whod-get-destroyed/4/

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Jun 16 2018, 10:50 PM
jason vorhees
Jun 16 2018, 03:16 AM
so do you agree then according to xenoverse no characters can kill them because this is just how the game is?
oh and don't say goku isn't a game characters so we can't do that because we are using game version in this case.
Not really because they can be defeated within the game mechanics.


Stop picking and choosing rules that suit you it makes no God damn sense. The person who made this list obviously meant Goku from the anime/manga not the games or they'd have outlined that, he isn't a video game character just because he's in video games.

The only way to use video game characters in a versus battle is to either go with their game rules or available lore key word being OR, not whichever one is most convenient for you.
If you're not doing that then you're literally just inventing how powerful a character is which is utterly pointless and only leads to ridiculous bias.

I mean you might as well just make a "One Punch Man vs Resident Evil Doors" topic because hurr durr you can't break doors in Resident Evil so Saitama loses"



Anyway Pyramid Head wins both by gameplay and by lore since he's unbeatable physically and Goku would probably be too dumb to overcome his psychological issues given that he's generally just grown more insane as time goes on, suped up Pyramid Head rips him apart.
as expected double standards again

nothing you ever says is meant to be taken seriously.thanks for proving me point.

no s*** they can be defeated but they can't be killed according to the game mechanics.

oh double standards again so in resident evil we won't agree that sone doors can't be broken down but we will agree that mario can one punch others due to game mechanics. Thanks for proving my point again nothing you says is meant to be taken seriously
if we agree on mario we have to agree for db xenoverse and resident evil too.but you of course are the biggest hypocrite and as always has double standards

oh and goku>>>>> mario
goku kills mario with his presence alone
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Jun 17 2018, 12:59 AM
as expected double standards again

nothing you ever says is meant to be taken seriously.thanks for proving me point.

no s*** they can be defeated but they can't be killed according to the game mechanics.

oh double standards again so in resident evil we won't agree that sone doors can't be broken down but we will agree that mario can one punch others due to game mechanics. Thanks for proving my point again nothing you says is meant to be taken seriously
if we agree on mario we have to agree for db xenoverse and resident evil too.but you of course are the biggest hypocrite and as always has double standards

oh and goku>>>>> mario
goku kills mario with his presence alone
This is almost warn level ridiculousness.

Calm the hell down and act like a normal person, good lord. There's no need to be so hostile and angry about a what-if fight between fictional characters and "No ur wrong" is not an argument.


By your logic here Hitler is a video game character.

Goku is not a video game character.

If you want to make a spite thread specifically with Goku as a video game character you're welcome to do that but that's such a stupid argument anyway because they're all weaker in games as I previously outlined.

Actually say something that makes sense and actually counter points, not sure how old you are but you're acting like a 12 year old here.


Because y'know, I can say "ur wrong" too, let us just endlessly say that at each other then because that's a reasonable and intelligent discussion.

Still no counter to Pyramid Head also.
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My argument would be that feats from Mario's life (even in game) being automatically effective against Goku is a false equivalency. Just because the star power up one shots Bowser, doesn't mean Goku would feel it. Even in game there is no Goku for Mario to have ever tested the star against. It's like saying because I can cut paper with a butter knife, I can also cut steel with a butter knife even though I've never tried to.
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Jun 17 2018, 09:32 AM
My argument would be that feats from Mario's life (even in game) being automatically effective against Goku is a false equivalency. Just because the star power up one shots Bowser, doesn't mean Goku would feel it. Even in game there is no Goku for Mario to have ever tested the star against. It's like saying because I can cut paper with a butter knife, I can also cut steel with a butter knife even though I've never tried to.
But I could also just say that Ki doesn't exist in real life so who's to say it could blow up anything?

By that reasoning I could beat Goku in a fight because maybe Ki doesn't do anything in this world.


It's not false equivalence at all, it's just all you can do unless like as said before you're just choosing to invent how powerful a character is, which is bias.

Face it, if you were to give Mario "realistic" stats absolutely nobody on here would have him even beating Hercule. Nobody would ever dare to make any character stand up to a Dragon Ball character no matter how much sense it would make.
He's not a realistic character and he comes from one of the most fantastical worlds ever conceived, why should any real world laws apply.


It only makes sense to abandon stuff like that when people have similar abilities that you'd have to go in to insane lolcalcs to compare. Like Dante vs Bayonetta, they can both slow down time so how could you decide who's faster without just picking your favourite or going ridiculously in depth with calcs?
The simple answer is slow time is irrelevant there.
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Jun 15 2018, 12:40 PM
jason vorhees
Jun 15 2018, 01:52 AM
this is typical of your double standards.
if we are gonna use game mechanics then we have to do the same for dragonball where in xenoverse the characters can't completely die what so ever they just come back.so even characters like galactus,antimonitor, living tribunal couldn't kill them.


using game mechanics is stupid.
Except Goku isn't a video game character, so no that arguement doesn't work when like I already mentioned I can just use logic from other games he's in where he's weak as s*** and can be killed by his child self.


There are two ways to take game characters, lore and gameplay...you get that some games don't even have lore right? Or that lore supports gameplay?
Water kills you in GTA Vice City, if Goku was in that game, going in deep water would kill him. Doesn't matter if water doesn't do that it does in the game logic.

I'm not sure why you're deciding there is only one set rule for game characters when there are so many variations, it not one set thing at all, that's just stupid.
Doesn't change the fact that a star outright makes Mario invincible, that's both the lore and the gameplay.


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Correct me if i am wrong but when were pokemons faster than tao pai pai ?

Goku would blitz everyone of them including madara and such



Why would he do that? He's not bloodlusted here so he has absolutely no reason to instantly attack and never has done that, that's not even remotely part of his personality and Mewtwo only needs a thought to mess with your brain, you're not telling me Goku magically understands that and instantly attacks him, you're inventing a win right there.


There are plenty video game characters that would f*** Goku up, Pyramid Head is another one since he represents an insurmountable physical challenge, meaning he's always stronger than you and exists to make you s*** your pants.
You can't say Goku would just blow him up when his whole existence is to be better than you and he's utterly undefeatable unless you get over your mental issues.
And yet he ( pyramid head ) was dealt rather easily by in game chaeacters of the respective frenchise who were also weaker than nappa

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Jun 17 2018, 01:12 PM
And yet he ( pyramid head ) was dealt rather easily by in game chaeacters of the respective frenchise who were also weaker than nappa
You literally didn't read anything I wrote or anything about the character.


He is quite literally the embodiment of an insurmountable challenge, ergo he is always stronger than you, which means he's stronger than anyone he torments by default and he doesn't go away no matter how many times you put him down unless you get over whatever landed him as your enemy.

You can't beat him with lasers and s*** because if he didn't just have them anyway he's stronger than anything you can do without outside help, i.e the guns people find in Silent Hill.
Unless there's a special gun in Dragon Ball that does more damage than energy blasts there's no way anyone feasibly beats someone stronger than them without any help what so ever.



I swear people would argue against Dragon Ball characters losing against the force of Death itself in a vs match.
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The star power up works on Bowser in a boss battle but wouldn't kill an NPC character helping Mario. You can't run up to Toad all star powered and kill him. So if we're using game mechanics as a feat - which is fine - then the star power up is inconsistent.
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Here's someone who would defeat Goku: golden age Superman.
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Jun 17 2018, 01:24 PM
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And yet he ( pyramid head ) was dealt rather easily by in game chaeacters of the respective frenchise who were also weaker than nappa
You literally didn't read anything I wrote or anything about the character.


He is quite literally the embodiment of an insurmountable challenge, ergo he is always stronger than you, which means he's stronger than anyone he torments by default and he doesn't go away no matter how many times you put him down unless you get over whatever landed him as your enemy.

You can't beat him with lasers and s*** because if he didn't just have them anyway he's stronger than anything you can do without outside help, i.e the guns people find in Silent Hill.
Unless there's a special gun in Dragon Ball that does more damage than energy blasts there's no way anyone feasibly beats someone stronger than them without any help what so ever.



I swear people would argue against Dragon Ball characters losing against the force of Death itself in a vs match.
What if goku teleports him to space or any other unusual environment. ?

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The star power up works on Bowser in a boss battle but wouldn't kill an NPC character helping Mario. You can't run up to Toad all star powered and kill him. So if we're using game mechanics as a feat - which is fine - then the star power up is inconsistent.
But you just explained that "NPC character helping Mario"

It's not inconsistent, it just doesn't hurt enemies. Goku is obviously an enemy in the context of a fight therefore it would.


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Wouldn't do anything, Pyramid Head is basically a concept and will only go away when you get over your mental stigma i.e in 2 he represents the main character's lust.
Goku would probably have to get over his insane thirst for battle to make Pyramid Head go away, I'd say that's the main mental issue he has in life.

Pyramid Head is a physical challenge you can't beat so against an opponent with special powers he'd probably have his own or in any case he'd just be faster and stronger than Goku, no matter how many Super Saiyan forms Goku randomly unlocked more and more power isn't an answer.

FTL Pyramid Head with his huge a** sword is a scary thought...



If we go with lore then Dante could win this too provided he has Yamato, Goku would obviously underestimate him but Yamato can cut anything that isn't imbued with similar Demonic energy, it cuts through space and at a distance.
Cocky Goku plus Quicksilver slow time could get Dante a win.
Gameplay wise obviously Dante can't do much.
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Jun 17 2018, 12:59 AM
as expected double standards again

nothing you ever says is meant to be taken seriously.thanks for proving me point.

no s*** they can be defeated but they can't be killed according to the game mechanics.

oh double standards again so in resident evil we won't agree that sone doors can't be broken down but we will agree that mario can one punch others due to game mechanics. Thanks for proving my point again nothing you says is meant to be taken seriously
if we agree on mario we have to agree for db xenoverse and resident evil too.but you of course are the biggest hypocrite and as always has double standards

oh and goku>>>>> mario
goku kills mario with his presence alone
This is almost warn level ridiculousness.

Calm the hell down and act like a normal person, good lord. There's no need to be so hostile and angry about a what-if fight between fictional characters and "No ur wrong" is not an argument.


By your logic here Hitler is a video game character.

Goku is not a video game character.

If you want to make a spite thread specifically with Goku as a video game character you're welcome to do that but that's such a stupid argument anyway because they're all weaker in games as I previously outlined.

Actually say something that makes sense and actually counter points, not sure how old you are but you're acting like a 12 year old here.


Because y'know, I can say "ur wrong" too, let us just endlessly say that at each other then because that's a reasonable and intelligent discussion.

Still no counter to Pyramid Head also.
Games win.
because you are the biggest hypocrite here.with your double standards. If you gonna keep acting like this stay away from debates.you can't agree for one side and not for the other.so going by your logic of game mechanics living tribunal, galactus, sttgl can't completely kill goku from xenoverse games . fact


if am acting like a 12 year old then you must be acting like a 5 year old.

no one really cares about debates on fictional characters but it gets annoying when you have others ruining debates with double standards because then there are no points of debating
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because you are the biggest hypocrite here.with your double standards. If you gonna keep acting like this stay away from debates.you can't agree for one side and not for the other.so going by your logic of game mechanics living tribunal, galactus, sttgl can't completely kill goku from xenoverse games . fact


if am acting like a 12 year old then you must be acting like a 5 year old.

no one really cares about debates on fictional characters but it gets annoying when you have others ruining debates with double standards because then there are no points of debating



...how a versus match goes depends on the rules set within it, if there are none you have to think of the most reasonable ones.
When it's massively open to interpretation, there can't be only one ruleset hence why I argue for multiple.

You are deciding it can only function one way which is just ridiculous.

Not even sure how I'm a hypocrite, please explain that one.


And why do you keep dwelling on Goku in Xenoverse?
Seriously, that's such a nonsense point. People in Xenoverse enter a KO state, even if they don't actually die in game they still lose so...no?
That's overall game logic anyway not an actual mechanic, can you imagine how stupid it would be if fighting game characters just died and you could never use them again?

A game mechanic is that Booker in BioShock Infinite can't die so long as he has money to respawn with because that's actually an established thing, you're just deciding Xenoverse implies everyone is immortal.


You've went completely off the point and you haven't countered a single thing I've said literally all you've done is say "No you're wrong" and say the same thing back at me, honestly did you quite seriously just say "No but you're a five your old!" while calling me childish?

Seriously counter a single point I've said.

How does Goku beat Pyramid Head? At this point I'm not going to respond to anything that isn't an actual response because this is just sad now, I'm not sure how you could even consider this a debate when you're not even discussing anything or proving a single point.
"You're a hypocrite" "muh double standards!" aren't arguments.
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because you are the biggest hypocrite here.with your double standards. If you gonna keep acting like this stay away from debates.you can't agree for one side and not for the other.so going by your logic of game mechanics living tribunal, galactus, sttgl can't completely kill goku from xenoverse games . fact


if am acting like a 12 year old then you must be acting like a 5 year old.

no one really cares about debates on fictional characters but it gets annoying when you have others ruining debates with double standards because then there are no points of debating



...how a versus match goes depends on the rules set within it, if there are none you have to think of the most reasonable ones.
When it's massively open to interpretation, there can't be only one ruleset hence why I argue for multiple.

You are deciding it can only function one way which is just ridiculous.

Not even sure how I'm a hypocrite, please explain that one.


And why do you keep dwelling on Goku in Xenoverse?
Seriously, that's such a nonsense point. People in Xenoverse enter a KO state, even if they don't actually die in game they still lose so...no?
That's overall game logic anyway not an actual mechanic, can you imagine how stupid it would be if fighting game characters just died and you could never use them again?

A game mechanic is that Booker in BioShock Infinite can't die so long as he has money to respawn with because that's actually an established thing, you're just deciding Xenoverse implies everyone is immortal.


You've went completely off the point and you haven't countered a single thing I've said literally all you've done is say "No you're wrong" and say the same thing back at me, honestly did you quite seriously just say "No but you're a five your old!" while calling me childish?

Seriously counter a single point I've said.

How does Goku beat Pyramid Head? At this point I'm not going to respond to anything that isn't an actual response because this is just sad now, I'm not sure how you could even consider this a debate when you're not even discussing anything or proving a single point.
"You're a hypocrite" "muh double standards!" aren't arguments.
double standards .you are the absolute worst hypocrite on this site.you will agree for mario but not for other fiction.stoop debating you are embarassing yourself
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Dialga is another Pokémon that could beat Goku since it has access to time control and can do whatever it wants with that.

Can't think of many others with absolute abilities like that at the minute but there's quite a few hax Pokémon indeed, on the lore side that is.
Some descriptions are crazy like one says Machamp can lift mountains like wut.
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