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These videogame characters can destroy Goku apparently
Topic Started: Jun 12 2018, 11:06 PM (1,364 Views)
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Apparent these characters can destroy goku. Link: https://www.thegamer.com/video-game-characters-whod-destroy-goku-and-some-whod-get-destroyed/4/

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Jun 14 2018, 05:00 PM
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Jun 14 2018, 03:26 PM
What ever happened to useing feats and statements in battles and not game mechanics lol.
Because these are literally video game characters?


Alright then I guess we should use game feats for Goku.

In that case in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 Kid Goku can beat SSj4 Gogeta so I guess Goku is all round a weakling? In that case every character here beats him.


Video game feats and mechanics are how video game characters work, if Mario has an ability that makes him one shot anything then he's effectively One Punch Man, no matter how much you want to disagree.
Sure, Mario is just some retired old plumber in actuality but within game rules he's practically a God.

As for things not working outside of game logic...what other logic do these characters have for a vs battle? That's some straight nonsense.

Might as well say Goku is weak in Code Geass because Ki doesn't exist there and without that even Lelouch stomps him without his Geass.


Why are people so desperate to have Dragon Ball characters win everything to the point of ignoring all logical rules that ought to be applied in a match up?
If someone in fictional media has the power to one hit kill anything, then they have that power in any what-if match up. Simple as that.
this is typical of your double standards.
if we are gonna use game mechanics then we have to do the same for dragonball where in xenoverse the characters can't completely die what so ever they just come back.so even characters like galactus,antimonitor, living tribunal couldn't kill them.


using game mechanics is stupid.
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Jun 15 2018, 01:52 AM
What does NLF mean?
nlf means no limit falacy
which is what both darker and steve has been using all this time and lets not forget the fact that goku isn't a game character so mario attacks probably wouldn't work on goku to begin with and goku isn't a pokemon either so metwo abilities might work different on goku
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NvM answer was given
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Jun 15 2018, 01:54 AM
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Jun 15 2018, 01:48 AM
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Jun 14 2018, 07:19 AM
The difference being Madara isn't limited by game mechanics because he's not from a game that follows game logic.

It's not NLF, stop using terms and throwing away names without knowing any of them, you're the only one treating Goku like some sort of limitlessly powerhouse who can't be stopped by any of these guys. That is not what I'm saying with Mario in the slightest.
you are just making excuses with your pathetic rumbling.goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mario

i think you have some reading comprehension problem.i never said goku is more powerful than any of these guys.i only mentioned the ones who notaka was mentioning.
no you don't tell me i don't know what nlf is when you are the one who can't even understand the simplest idea what nlf is.

nlf is still nlf.

unless you agree in game mechanics mario can also beat the living tribunal then i disgress
Im familiar with Pis(plot induced) and maybe Cis(character induced) correct me if im wrong.

But im unfamiliar with yhis Nlf business.
The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold.
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Jun 15 2018, 01:56 AM
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Jun 15 2018, 01:54 AM
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Jun 15 2018, 01:48 AM
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Jun 14 2018, 07:19 AM
The difference being Madara isn't limited by game mechanics because he's not from a game that follows game logic.

It's not NLF, stop using terms and throwing away names without knowing any of them, you're the only one treating Goku like some sort of limitlessly powerhouse who can't be stopped by any of these guys. That is not what I'm saying with Mario in the slightest.
you are just making excuses with your pathetic rumbling.goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mario

i think you have some reading comprehension problem.i never said goku is more powerful than any of these guys.i only mentioned the ones who notaka was mentioning.
no you don't tell me i don't know what nlf is when you are the one who can't even understand the simplest idea what nlf is.

nlf is still nlf.

unless you agree in game mechanics mario can also beat the living tribunal then i disgress
Im familiar with Pis(plot induced) and maybe Cis(character induced) correct me if im wrong.

But im unfamiliar with yhis Nlf business.
The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold.
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Jun 14 2018, 05:27 PM
Infinity gauntlet dose not work in other universes neither dose the speed force if i remember correctly.


Strenuous, you bring up the same points every time and every time I see them I can tell you've only read about them online and not read the JLA/Avengers comic, which you yourself have admitted I believe that it's not necessary and that you know all you need to know.

Like I told jason twice already, we're going with the logic that Goku is an enemy on a Mario game and Mario is using the invincibility star, that's how the article this whole thread stems from sells it more or less, and it's the only way that would go in Mario's favor.

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Jun 14 2018, 08:58 PM
What's Mewtwo's best feat for his psychic abilities?


Brainwashing and ridding a large group of people of their memories.

jason vorhees
Jun 15 2018, 01:48 AM
you are just making excuses with your pathetic rumbling.goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mario


Such good points lol

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i think you have some reading comprehension problem.i never said goku is more powerful than any of these guys.i only mentioned the ones who notaka was mentioning.
no you don't tell me i don't know what nlf is when you are the one who can't even understand the simplest idea what nlf is.

nlf is still nlf.

unless you agree in game mechanics mario can also beat the living tribunal then i disgress


I think you're the only one with reading comprehension problems here, because I said exactly that earlier. If the Living Tribunal was a Mario boss Star Mario could one shot him. It's how the game works, it's how the article says the fight would go, as it's the logic it follows. Neither you or Snake read the article, you just read the name of the characters. What's the point of being part of this discussion if you're not gonna pay attention or know anything about these terms or characters? How can you say you know better than me?

And as for you saying you didn't say Goku could beat all of them...

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nlf means no limit falacy
which is what both darker and steve has been using all this time and lets not forget the fact that goku isn't a game character so mario attacks probably wouldn't work on goku to begin with and goku isn't a pokemon either so metwo abilities might work different on goku


No, actually, we're not saying that at all.

Star Mario in his own world is invincible, following that logic Goku would lose.

And Mewtwo has used his abilities on humans, what are you talking about? Again, why come here with no prior knowledge on these characters? At least I check the respect threads.
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I think you're the only one with reading comprehension problems here, because I said exactly that earlier. If the Living Tribunal was a Mario boss Star Mario could one shot him. It's how the game works, it's how the article says the fight would go, as it's the logic it follows. Neither you or Snake read the article, you just read the name of the characters. What's the point of being part of this discussion if you're not gonna pay attention or know anything about these terms or characters? How can you say you know better than me?
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lol no again you prove you have reading comprehension problem you never mentioned living tribunal once because https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/photo/109313375496212937313/6567151787459713234 as you can see i never once mentioned the living tribunal as comparing the living tribunal with those guys is comparing a guy who is above concepts against guys that are barely multiversal.there is a big difference between them




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And as for you saying you didn't say Goku could beat all of them...

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you are the one who is assuming i meant all these characters.i only meant the ones notaka was mentioning.you shoulkd stop embarassing yourself with the idea that you know it all



And Mewtwo has used his abilities on humans, what are you talking about? Again, why come here with no prior knowledge on these characters? At least I check the respect threads.


except that in game mechanics pokemons who are much weaker that other pokemons have been shown to be ineefective(their abilities) agisnt other pokemons.so i highly doubt mewtwo attacks will work on goku
and before you bring anime in here.pokemon is a game first before its an anime unless were using anime version in that case we should also be allowed to use composite version for goku
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Jun 15 2018, 03:27 AM
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Jun 14 2018, 05:27 PM
Infinity gauntlet dose not work in other universes neither dose the speed force if i remember correctly.


Strenuous, you bring up the same points every time and every time I see them I can tell you've only read about them online and not read the JLA/Avengers comic, which you yourself have admitted I believe that it's not necessary and that you know all you need to know.

Like I told jason twice already, we're going with the logic that Goku is an enemy on a Mario game and Mario is using the invincibility star, that's how the article this whole thread stems from sells it more or less, and it's the only way that would go in Mario's favor.

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Jun 14 2018, 08:58 PM
What's Mewtwo's best feat for his psychic abilities?


Brainwashing and ridding a large group of people of their memories.

jason vorhees
Jun 15 2018, 01:48 AM
you are just making excuses with your pathetic rumbling.goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mario


Such good points lol

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i think you have some reading comprehension problem.i never said goku is more powerful than any of these guys.i only mentioned the ones who notaka was mentioning.
no you don't tell me i don't know what nlf is when you are the one who can't even understand the simplest idea what nlf is.

nlf is still nlf.

unless you agree in game mechanics mario can also beat the living tribunal then i disgress


I think you're the only one with reading comprehension problems here, because I said exactly that earlier. If the Living Tribunal was a Mario boss Star Mario could one shot him. It's how the game works, it's how the article says the fight would go, as it's the logic it follows. Neither you or Snake read the article, you just read the name of the characters. What's the point of being part of this discussion if you're not gonna pay attention or know anything about these terms or characters? How can you say you know better than me?

And as for you saying you didn't say Goku could beat all of them...

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nlf means no limit falacy
which is what both darker and steve has been using all this time and lets not forget the fact that goku isn't a game character so mario attacks probably wouldn't work on goku to begin with and goku isn't a pokemon either so metwo abilities might work different on goku


No, actually, we're not saying that at all.

Star Mario in his own world is invincible, following that logic Goku would lose.

And Mewtwo has used his abilities on humans, what are you talking about? Again, why come here with no prior knowledge on these characters? At least I check the respect threads.
Do they or do they not. Regardless ive never said i was a expert so no need for the attitude mkay. I read comics just not hardcore just casually one here or there. And you are right in that i read alot of vs topics and the idea of the infinity gauntlet working or not working has been brought up in them a good many of times. People say sometimes it dose and sometimes it dose not what else is there to know lol. As for speed force my memory is a little foggy but the cross over comics i believe said it did not could be wrong im not an all knowing comic expert such as yourself. Btw i have read them all the cross overs that is.XD

So honestly i rarely comment in these other vs sections maybe one topic every other x2 other month lol. So i dont get how im spewing the same old stuff lol. In fact i dont ever remember talking about flash or Thanos powers on this site or any for that matter(this includes JLA/Avengers). So keep the slander to a minimum ok. The last thing i remember posting on was the alien and predator in space station thing and i mostly used movie stuff for that. Only did research to see how big a colony could get or has gotten which is some basic knowledge to find. Hell i even found stuff you forgot about lol. That is of course if i was talking to someone else but i think it was you. While i think you are getting me confused with another.

If the original poster if that was you or not i dont remember never specified that goku was going in there games then thats not what we do. Hell the few things i read in the article never gave a clear answer just hey these people can beat these people because of this. But lets go with what you said goku is a boss in the next mario game has his speed and everything from the anime manga whatever. Mario dose not have the star on his body its something that is randomly found and never on a boss stage. Goku goes speed faster then mario can comprehend 1 or 2 touchs and marios dead. So even if the star can one shot goku the scenario you put can never happen as again stars dont show up in boss fights. So whats next putting mario into a unnatural situation for the game(disregarding goku) just so he can win proves nothing.
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Funny enough the stars isn't even his own ability lol.
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Jun 15 2018, 05:05 AM
Funny enough the stars isn't even his own ability lol.
i'm gonna make a battle with game mechanics now you should reply to it
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Jun 14 2018, 08:57 AM
Madara with Genjutsu could beat anyone with no resistance to mind powers, as much as that's an absolute statement within Naruto it's just that only Uchiha have said resistance in Naruto.
I doubt Galactus is weak to mind powers.


As for why Mewtwo would win, because again, mind powers? What stops him putting Goku to sleep and eating his dreams, doing massive crippling damage to him? When has Goku shown resistance to that kind of power?
Or the many dozens of Pokémon moves that do an absolute amount of damage, like the ones that outright take a third of anything's health away or ignore all defences, which would include Ki.

Even God itself isn't resistant to Pokémon moves so you'd have a hard time arguing that Goku is just because he shoots big lasers.
Correct me if i am wrong but when were pokemons faster than tao pai pai ?

Goku would blitz everyone of them including madara and such

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this is typical of your double standards.
if we are gonna use game mechanics then we have to do the same for dragonball where in xenoverse the characters can't completely die what so ever they just come back.so even characters like galactus,antimonitor, living tribunal couldn't kill them.


using game mechanics is stupid.
Except Goku isn't a video game character, so no that arguement doesn't work when like I already mentioned I can just use logic from other games he's in where he's weak as s*** and can be killed by his child self.


There are two ways to take game characters, lore and gameplay...you get that some games don't even have lore right? Or that lore supports gameplay?
Water kills you in GTA Vice City, if Goku was in that game, going in deep water would kill him. Doesn't matter if water doesn't do that it does in the game logic.

I'm not sure why you're deciding there is only one set rule for game characters when there are so many variations, it not one set thing at all, that's just stupid.
Doesn't change the fact that a star outright makes Mario invincible, that's both the lore and the gameplay.


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Correct me if i am wrong but when were pokemons faster than tao pai pai ?

Goku would blitz everyone of them including madara and such



Why would he do that? He's not bloodlusted here so he has absolutely no reason to instantly attack and never has done that, that's not even remotely part of his personality and Mewtwo only needs a thought to mess with your brain, you're not telling me Goku magically understands that and instantly attacks him, you're inventing a win right there.


There are plenty video game characters that would f*** Goku up, Pyramid Head is another one since he represents an insurmountable physical challenge, meaning he's always stronger than you and exists to make you s*** your pants.
You can't say Goku would just blow him up when his whole existence is to be better than you and he's utterly undefeatable unless you get over your mental issues.
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Jun 15 2018, 01:52 AM
this is typical of your double standards.
if we are gonna use game mechanics then we have to do the same for dragonball where in xenoverse the characters can't completely die what so ever they just come back.so even characters like galactus,antimonitor, living tribunal couldn't kill them.


using game mechanics is stupid.
Except Goku isn't a video game character, so no that arguement doesn't work when like I already mentioned I can just use logic from other games he's in where he's weak as s*** and can be killed by his child self.


There are two ways to take game characters, lore and gameplay...you get that some games don't even have lore right? Or that lore supports gameplay?
Water kills you in GTA Vice City, if Goku was in that game, going in deep water would kill him. Doesn't matter if water doesn't do that it does in the game logic.

I'm not sure why you're deciding there is only one set rule for game characters when there are so many variations, it not one set thing at all, that's just stupid.
Doesn't change the fact that a star outright makes Mario invincible, that's both the lore and the gameplay.


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Correct me if i am wrong but when were pokemons faster than tao pai pai ?

Goku would blitz everyone of them including madara and such



Why would he do that? He's not bloodlusted here so he has absolutely no reason to instantly attack and never has done that, that's not even remotely part of his personality and Mewtwo only needs a thought to mess with your brain, you're not telling me Goku magically understands that and instantly attacks him, you're inventing a win right there.


There are plenty video game characters that would f*** Goku up, Pyramid Head is another one since he represents an insurmountable physical challenge, meaning he's always stronger than you and exists to make you s*** your pants.
You can't say Goku would just blow him up when his whole existence is to be better than you and he's utterly undefeatable unless you get over your mental issues.







so do you agree then according to xenoverse no characters can kill them because this is just how the game is?
oh and don't say goku isn't a game characters so we can't do that because we are using game version in this case.
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Jun 16 2018, 03:16 AM
so do you agree then according to xenoverse no characters can kill them because this is just how the game is?
oh and don't say goku isn't a game characters so we can't do that because we are using game version in this case.
Not really because they can be defeated within the game mechanics.


Stop picking and choosing rules that suit you it makes no God damn sense. The person who made this list obviously meant Goku from the anime/manga not the games or they'd have outlined that, he isn't a video game character just because he's in video games.

The only way to use video game characters in a versus battle is to either go with their game rules or available lore key word being OR, not whichever one is most convenient for you.
If you're not doing that then you're literally just inventing how powerful a character is which is utterly pointless and only leads to ridiculous bias.

I mean you might as well just make a "One Punch Man vs Resident Evil Doors" topic because hurr durr you can't break doors in Resident Evil so Saitama loses"



Anyway Pyramid Head wins both by gameplay and by lore since he's unbeatable physically and Goku would probably be too dumb to overcome his psychological issues given that he's generally just grown more insane as time goes on, suped up Pyramid Head rips him apart.
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