SSJ4 Buu Arc Vegitto vs. Frieza

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SSJ4 Buu Arc Vegitto vs. Frieza
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 9 2018, 02:37 PM (1,013 Views)
Dougla$	Jun 9 2018, 02:37 PM Post #1
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Assuming that SSJ4 is a 10x multiplier of SSJ3, if Vegitto fights 1st Form Frieza in Revival, who wins? If you have Vegitto winning, them how about Frieza from the Super Anime? If you have Vegitto losing, give him Kaioken.
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Dankness Lava	Jun 9 2018, 03:10 PM Post #2
Dankness Forever Posts: 6,348 Group: Tha Dankness Member #9,197 Joined: March 16, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Hajime no Ippo What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Piece	There's no reason to have First Form Frieza even higher than Super Vegito. All he did was one shot a weakened Gohan, whom only showed himself to be significantly above Piccolo. If this was base Frieza on the other hand, well, you have more of an argument. In my eyes, Vegito absolutely destroys Frieza.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 9 2018, 03:25 PM Post #3
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	If Ultimate Gohan was what he was, then he'd be beating Frieza. This is a massive stomp for Vegito. The only Vegito this Frieza could beat, is base Vegito.
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Dougla$	Jun 9 2018, 03:31 PM Post #4
Posts: 511 Group: Member Member #6,899 Joined: October 23, 2011	Son-Goku Jun 9 2018, 03:25 PM If Ultimate Gohan was what he was, then he'd be beating Frieza. This is a massive stomp for Vegito. The only Vegito this Frieza could beat, is base Vegito. I had no idea how strong Revival/Super Frieza was compared to the characters in Z. Not to get off topic, but I want to say I once started a topic on whether or not Mystic Gohan would have beaten 1st Form Frieza, and responders said Frieza would have beaten him easily. I'll have to search for it (it may have been a comment on a Youtube video I was told this). Edit: Here it is. A lot of the posters in this topic seem to think differently. http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/10012907/1/#new Edited by Dougla$, Jun 9 2018, 03:36 PM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 9 2018, 03:45 PM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Even assuming Super Saiyan 4 is only 10 times Super Saiyan 3, I'd say Vegetto could outlast Golden Freeza like Blue Goku did. First Form Freeza gets f***in' decimated by base Vegetto, lol.
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Notaka	Jun 9 2018, 03:50 PM Post #6
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Mike XL	Jun 9 2018, 05:11 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Vegito stomps 1st form Freeza. Final form Freeza would be a better fight. He obviously gets killed by Golden Freeza.



StrenuousSpider	Jun 9 2018, 05:50 PM Post #8
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	If i remember correctly even in movie Ssj god > ssj3 vegito. And i dont think a 10x boost is closing that gap. Then you have final form freiza >= base goku who is god level. Freiza from First form to base is a 226x boost. Now i dont remember movie all to well but beerus still only used about 10% against vegeta and far less against the others. This includes buu and gohan. And gohan in the movie if i remember was ultimate and never said or shown to have gotten weaker. 10% beerus > ssj3 vegito Going off what goku saw and saying fusion is useless against that. Id see the chain like this. 100% beerus > Golden freiza > ssj blue = 70% beerus > ssj god goku = final form freiza > 10% beerus = ssj4 vegito > ssj3 vegito > First form freiza > ssj2 vegito > ssj vegito > base vegito > ultimate gohan Going off freiza multiplier. 10%/ ssj4 would be about 32x first form.as there is a 7x difference between final and 10%. Ssj3 vegito comes out nearly 3x first form and first form is slightly above ssj2 vegito in power. And how that looks in numbers. Beerus 1000 G freiza 800 Ssj blue 700 70% beerus 700 Ssj god 600 Final freiza 600 10% beerus 70 Ssj4 vegito 70 Rage vegeta 50 1% beerus 10 Ssj3 vegito 7 First freiza 2.6 Ssj2 vegito 1.7 Ssj vegito .85 Base vegito .01 Ultimate gohan .002 So in the end vegito can beat first form with ssj3 but loses any point after first form. Ssj4 beats him easily. I dont know about 2ed form freiza as i dont remember his multiplier. In anime freiza utterly stomps ssj4 vegito by blinking. Again only 226x weaker then ssj god in first form. And ssj god >= ssj4 gogeta. Edited by StrenuousSpider, Jun 9 2018, 05:57 PM.



Blue Evolution Vegeta	Jun 10 2018, 07:45 AM Post #9
Posts: 378 Group: Member Member #9,064 Joined: February 18, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada Favourite Anime DB, DBZ, DBGT, DBS, Toriko, Digimon, Pokemon and Stitch! Favourite Manga Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Toriko	I personally think SSJ4 is a 40,000x boost from Base now that i think about it, but anyway, if we say Base Vegito is on par with Buuhan, so SSJ4 Vegito would be 4,000x Buuhan if we use the 4,000x Base multiplier for SSJ4, the thing is, even Base Goku during the Baby Arc is extremely strong compared to DBZ characters, Base Rildo was stated to have power that surpassed Buu's, given how Goku didn't specify which Buu, he should be referring to the strongest Buu which is Buuhan Not to mention Gohan was stated to have kept on training after Buu's training in the GT continuity, so GT SSJ Gohan should at least be stronger then Z Mystic Gohan, Buuhan isn't even 2x that Mystic Gohan and Baby Arc Base Goku fodderized that same SSJ Gohan, so Baby Arc Base Goku can already fodderize Mystic Gohan level characters, which should make Baby Arc Base Goku stronger then Buuhan anyway So Baby Arc Base Goku would already be stronger then Buu Arc Base Vegito, so Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku would be stronger then a hypothetical Buu Arc SSJ4 Vegito, so Baby Arc SSJ4 Goku would be over 4,000x Buuhan, then Goku gets at least 10x stronger by the time of the Super 17 Arc, since SSJ Goku (Super 17 Arc)>Majuub>SSJ3 Goku (Baby Arc) and SSJ3 is 8x SSJ, so Super 17 Arc SSJ4 Goku would be over 40,000x Buuhan and over 10x stronger then a Buu Arc SSJ4 Vegito Then SSJ4 Gogeta is stated in the guides to be dozens of times stronger then a Normal SSJ4, so at most SSJ4 Gogeta would be 100x SSJ4 Goku, so SSJ4 Gogeta would be 4,000,000x Buuhan, so, i have BoG Arc SSJ God Goku at least on SSJ4 Gogeta's level if not stronger, so BoG Arc God Goku would also be around 4,000,000x Buuhan, then Base Goku by the time of his fight Frieza had surpassed that same God Goku So RoF Arc Base Goku would also be 4,000,000x Buuhan, and since 4th Form Frieza was going toe to toe with that Base Goku, then RoF Arc 4th Form Frieza would be around 4,000,000x Buuhan, then we know 4th Form is roughly 226x stronger then 1st Form going by Frieza's old power level, so simply divide 4,000,000 by 226, so Post Training 1st Form Frieza would be around 17,660x stronger then Buuhan, while SSJ4 Vegito would be 4,000x Buuhan, so going by this, 1st Form Frieza would be over 4x stronger then SSJ4 Vegito Come to think of it, GT Gohan could honestly be on Z Mystic Gohan's level in his Base form, which makes GT SSJ Gohan 50x Mystic Gohan and over 25x Buuhan and already half as strong as Buu Arc SSJ Vegito and Baby Arc Base Goku again easily beat that SSJ Gohan So even if we say Baby Arc Base Goku is only 2x GT SSJ Gohan, that already makes Baby Arc Base Goku stronger then Buu Arc SSJ Vegito and over 50x Buuhan, then that would make Shadow Dragon Arc SSJ4 Goku over 2,000,000x Buuhan, while SSJ4 Gogeta and by extension BoG Arc God Goku, RoF Arc Base Goku and RoF Arc 4th Form Frieza would be over 200,000,000x Buuhan, so then divide 200,000,000 by 226 for 1st Form Frieza So Post Training 1st Form Frieza would be roughly 883,000x Buuhan, while again, a Buu Arc SSJ4 Vegito would be 4,000x Buuhan, so that would make 1st Form Frieza give or take 220x stronger then SSJ4 Vegito, wow so much text XD, so to make it short, DBS makes any character broken lol, so i will give this to Frieza, its insane i know, but its DBS, GT blew DBZ out of the water in terms of power, then DBS comes along and blows GT out of the water in terms of power



superperfectnerd	Jun 10 2018, 10:21 AM Post #10
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	The scaling is off because of 'saiyan beyond god' implictions and feats of Piccolo, Cabba, Forst etc in the next arc. No way can Piccolo - who has trained on Earth for years and his power ups have slowed down doing so since Cell - suddenly leapfrog Super Vegetto in a few months. I would prefer to think that the Z fighters can sense hints of Freeza's power beyond his first form and that's why they're scared. In ROF (movie) Freeza only really needs to be beyond a rusty base Gohan. It also explains Bobbidi sensing great power in the base saiyans even though it took ssj2 energy to revive Boo, he could detect their potential power. Honestly, I don't have true form Freeza on Boo saga Super Vegetto's level even in the TOP arc, Golden Freeza TOP would be slightly stronger than ssjb Boo arc Vegetto for me but obviously Vegetto couldn't go ssjb in the Boo arc, the main progression comes from new transformations for me and in 'normal base' Goku and Vegeta are like ten times their Boo arc selves. Edit: No wait, tell a lie, I don't even have TOP golden Freeza beating ssjb Boo arc Vegetto. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 10 2018, 10:01 PM.



PF18	Jun 10 2018, 07:34 PM Post #11
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	Any iteration of 1st Form Freeza gets demolished vs even SSJ1 Buu arc Vegetto. Revival of F Final Form Freeza loses in a close one. ToP Final Form Freeza absolutely slaughters SSJ1 and and defeats SSJ3 with mild difficulty.



StrenuousSpider	Jun 10 2018, 08:10 PM Post #12
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	PF18 Jun 10 2018, 07:34 PM Any iteration of 1st Form Freeza gets demolished vs even SSJ1 Buu arc Vegetto. Revival of F Final Form Freeza loses in a close one. ToP Final Form Freeza absolutely slaughters SSJ1 and and defeats SSJ3 with mild difficulty. (anime)-Final form freiza = Ssj god Bog >= ssj4 gogeta First form 226x weaker then final. No way in hell is first form loseing to vegito. (movie)-Final form freiza = ssj god > beerus vs Z fighters > beerus vs goku > ssj3 vegito. Again he is not losing to vegito.



+ Pyrus	Jun 10 2018, 08:23 PM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't think Super cared enough to apply Freeza's previous transformation boosts, so I won't either. As far as Freeza goes, his True Form could be 10x stronger than his most suppressed form in Super. Meh.
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StrenuousSpider	Jun 10 2018, 08:27 PM Post #14
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Pyrus Jun 10 2018, 08:23 PM I don't think Super cared enough to apply Freeza's previous transformation boosts, so I won't either. As far as Freeza goes, his True Form could be 10x stronger than his most suppressed form in Super. Meh. Its not like they ever showed him fighting much as first form. You could argue that frost boost is small so freizas was brought down as well. But that dose nothing more then make first form freiza stronger.



superperfectnerd	Jun 10 2018, 10:04 PM Post #15
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	The difference between Freeza and the saiyans is that Freeza chose his restrictive forms from their power to their appearance in order to hide his strength, control his power and intimidate his opponents, so I don't see why Freeza couldn't choose to adjust the percentage of his true form's power his restrictive forms conceal. First form could now be half of true form if he wants couldn't it?



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