Vegeta (Super) vs Majin Boo Arc

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Vegeta (Super) vs Majin Boo Arc
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 4 2018, 08:38 PM Post #16
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I mean, I do think "Saiyan Beyond God" Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan God Goku was in the Battle of Gods arc, but what's the source of these translations? Are these official translations or fan translations?
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superperfectnerd	Jun 4 2018, 08:51 PM Post #17
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Basil < base Goku (struggles a bit) < super buff Basil < Good Boo <<<<<<<<<<< base Goku? 2 base forms baby or a retcon. Ssj2 Vegeta is currently weaker than Super Boo IMO



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 4 2018, 08:59 PM Post #18
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I mean, Goku struggles a lot when he shouldn't in the Tournament of Power, lol. I'd say Frost is a better indicator of a 2 base theory. Base Goku >~ True Form Freeza Third Form Frost > Base Goku Super Saiyan Vegeta(ToP) ~ Final Form Frost(ToP) True Form Freeza(ToP) >>> Final Form Frost(ToP)
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superperfectnerd	Jun 4 2018, 09:16 PM Post #19
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Good point, Freeza is supposed to be superior to Frost and yet going by the uni 6 tournament Frost is waaaaaaayyyyy stronger than Freeza but lacking a 'further evolution' but then Freeza is represented as superior in every way in the TOP. Plus if Frost was stronger in his other forms, why hadn't he discovered this further evolution power? Freeza said he'd be able to do so with training. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 4 2018, 09:18 PM.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 4 2018, 09:18 PM Post #20
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Pyrus Jun 4 2018, 08:26 PM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:27 PM Krillin did not make a comment about Base Goku's ki being terrified compared to the previous Goku he sensed, he only made a comment about being in fear. This is more of a reflection of what they know about Freeza being evil rather than Beerus being more of a mysterious character. Gohan didn't make a comment about Goku being stronger than before he just said they had tremendous ki. That was literally all Gohan said. Gohan was just stating the obvious. It was definitely in reference to Base Goku's power. Krillin literally says "he" as in Goku, and then moments later indicates Goku by name. Gohan backs him up too. I mean, unless you consider it the Saiyan Beyond god/god-like Saiyan form.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 4 2018, 09:26 PM Post #21
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't even know if I believe that. It seems unnecessary and redundant, like why not just use that powered up Base form when there's any bit of trouble in the non-powered up Base form? It'd solve a lot of problems and reduce fighting time.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Jun 4 2018, 09:32 PM Post #22
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Why would Saiyans want to reduce time spent fighting?
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+ Pyrus	Jun 4 2018, 09:46 PM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	You're right. I was thinking logically from a mortal's point-of-view. s***.
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+ Son-Goku	Jun 4 2018, 09:51 PM Post #24
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Pyrus Jun 4 2018, 09:46 PM You're right. I was thinking logically from a mortal's point-of-view. s***. It's all right man.
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+ Pyrus	Jun 4 2018, 09:59 PM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	No, I'm not even being sarcastic. It makes sense that a Saiyan would want a prolonged fight. It just didn't ring a bell in my head from my POV to potentially risk losing/dying when I had a lot more power in store.
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PF18	Jun 4 2018, 10:16 PM Post #26
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	Son-Goku Jun 4 2018, 09:18 PM Pyrus Jun 4 2018, 08:26 PM PF18 Jun 4 2018, 03:27 PM Krillin did not make a comment about Base Goku's ki being terrified compared to the previous Goku he sensed, he only made a comment about being in fear. This is more of a reflection of what they know about Freeza being evil rather than Beerus being more of a mysterious character. Gohan didn't make a comment about Goku being stronger than before he just said they had tremendous ki. That was literally all Gohan said. Gohan was just stating the obvious. It was definitely in reference to Base Goku's power. Krillin literally says "he" as in Goku, and then moments later indicates Goku by name. Gohan backs him up too. I mean, unless you consider it the Saiyan Beyond god/god-like Saiyan form. Those are the dub lines and not the actual dialogue. The actual official translations are: Gohan: They both have tremendous ki! Krillin: Unlike with Beerus I sense a real indescribable fear right now So the actual Japanese dialogue makes no such reference to power. Krillin's statement is incredibly vague. He says it is an "indescribable fear." Which again, is probably more so attributed to Freeza being a known villain(that killed him before and tries to kill him again later in that same episode) and Beerus being a stranger to him. Gohan just makes a generic comment with no reference to a comparison between Goku's previous power. Edited by PF18, Jun 4 2018, 10:17 PM.



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 10:22 PM Post #27
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	superperfectnerd Jun 4 2018, 09:16 PM Good point, Freeza is supposed to be superior to Frost and yet going by the uni 6 tournament Frost is waaaaaaayyyyy stronger than Freeza but lacking a 'further evolution' but then Freeza is represented as superior in every way in the TOP. Plus if Frost was stronger in his other forms, why hadn't he discovered this further evolution power? Freeza said he'd be able to do so with training. how exactly do you come to the conclusion that Frost is "waaaaaaaay stronger" than Freeza?



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 10:27 PM Post #28
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans Jun 4 2018, 08:59 PM I mean, Goku struggles a lot when he shouldn't in the Tournament of Power, lol. I'd say Frost is a better indicator of a 2 base theory. Base Goku >~ True Form Freeza Third Form Frost > Base Goku Super Saiyan Vegeta(ToP) ~ Final Form Frost(ToP) True Form Freeza(ToP) >>> Final Form Frost(ToP) Vegeta had to make a conscious effort not to kill Frost as Frost mentioned and Vegeta didn't dispute it. Frost and SSJ Vegeta are not even close to being equals. Vegeta easily deflected Frost's ki blast he shot at him in Base. Then he went over and proceeded to kick the crap out of him.



superperfectnerd	Jun 4 2018, 10:39 PM Post #29
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	I'm not even talking TOP necessarily Freeza is represented as the big deal, not Frost, Frost is represented as weak compared to the saiyans and yet True form Freeza < base form Goku (ROF) < base form Goku (Champa < third form Frost < true form Frost And yet Frost has no further evolution? Frost then powers up further being on the run and you know, able to move (referenced by Hit) and Freeza sits on his arse in a cocoon and meditates and is then stronger than Frost in true form? No, Freeza was always meant to be above Frost. Frost (Champa) < Freeza (ROF) feels like the case even though Goku is outmatched in base by Frost and not by Freeza, Freeza is still represented as better trained and much, much stronger. Champa talks about Frost having no chance against Freeza? Frost was stronger like a few months ago apparently but Freeza has meditated since then? Is that it? I see the other base form as something Goku and Vegeta only learnt how to turn back off after entering the ROSAT, hence the golden ssj forms came back. If you want gravity training or any kind of training to take it's best effect they need to fight and train in forms as close to the challenge's level as they can, if they stay in godly base all the time then how would the ROSAT even tickle them? They need to turn it off, train their weakest forms and then add multipliers. Same with Freeza training in his first form. That's why Vegeta was wrong about them closing in on their full potential. Beings like Copy Vegeta and Goku Black just aren't turning it off. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jun 4 2018, 10:48 PM.



PF18	Jun 4 2018, 10:50 PM Post #30
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	superperfectnerd Jun 4 2018, 10:39 PM I'm not even talking TOP necessarily Freeza is represented as the big deal, not Frost, Frost is represented as weak compared to the saiyans and yet True form Freeza < base form Goku (ROF) < base form Goku (Champa < third form Frost < true form Frost And yet Frost has no further evolution? Frost then powers up further being on the run and you know, able to move (referenced by Hit) and Freeza sits on his arse in a cocoon and meditates and is then stronger than Frost in true form? No, Freeza was always meant to be above Frost. Frost (Champa) < Freeza (ROF) feels like the case even though Goku is outmatched in base by Frost and not by Freeza, Freeza is still represented as better trained and much, much stronger. I think Frost may have gotten stronger being on the run but we have conflicting sources. Hit says he got stronger and Frost himself says he got weaker.(He may be lying to further his agenda though.) I mean the problem is that you aren't distinguishing between ROF Final Form Freeza and ToP Final Form Freeza. Freeza got a massive power boost between the two. Freeza went from being slightly stronger than ROF SSB Goku to being even with ToP SSB Goku. Goku got at bare minimum 10x stronger during this time so Freeza got a huge boost in order to match up with this vastly improved Goku. (thanks to Hit time dimension shenanigans we know Goku got bare minimum 10x stronger from the U6 Arc to the brief period after the Zamasu Arc) It appears from what we have seen that Freeza in his final form Surpassed Base Goku, even though his Golden Form is on par. My headcanon to rationalize this is that Freeza is now able to access all 100% of his power in his "non-buff" form.(since he no longer has the intense stamina drain on his Golden Form it makes sense he doesn't have the stamina problems in his max Final Form.) Things actually look more like this: Final Form Freeza(ToP)>Base Goku ToP>>>Final Form Frost>=Base Goku U6>Base Goku ROF>Final Form Freeza ROF Edited by PF18, Jun 4 2018, 10:53 PM.



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