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Are Video Games Fun?
Topic Started: Jun 2 2018, 04:02 PM (345 Views)
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So a thing Steve said got me thinking. Video games were invented for people to have fun, a pastime, but recently I've seen many people playing games to "get something out of it" like achievements for instance. It seems to me that people today play games to get a reward when playing the video games itself should be a reward in itself.

To me achievements is an extra incentive but I don't need them to have fun playing the game. Most games now have some sort of interaction with people from around the world, even single player games have games that implement a leaderboard of some kind which is supposed to increase the fun. Honestly, I think this may have ruined what video gaming is supposed to be about.

Anyway, what do you guys think?
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Don't forget that arcade machines did practically the same thing on a smaller scale. So this whole thing about achievements and leaderboards ruining what video games are about is false.
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Yeah, video games are fun. Trophies are only a side thing for me and I don't do them for all games. I think literally the only game that I tried to get all of the trophies for was Dark Souls 3 and that was mainly because my friend challenge me to do it because he did it on Xbox. Besides that I don't really care about trophies. I just buy games for entertainment, it'd be pointless to buy them for any kind of achievements especially when they don't do anything for you except bragging rights. I also really enjoy the stories that some video games have. Like Fire Emblem, while I used to actually skip the story scenes when I was a kid. A big part of me enjoying those games are the stories behind it. It actually bothers me if a video game has no story.
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They offer an extra challenge to the games and something more to play for when you've already beaten the games 50 times before.


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Same way some people just watch TV to pass the time and not enjoy what they're watching.

I personally play them when I've got nothing better to do other than have more fun without my pc or my art, which doesn't happen often.
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People have competed in video games for a long time now
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A good video game will be fun.
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I feel like people might be missing my point.

An example: Something as simple as Super Mario Bros. You know what you get, it doesn't really change in many regards except for Nintendo's ability to innovate. Mario was about having fun, it has even had multiplayer since the start (some games didn't have it like 64 and Sunshine) and when did it become important for people that it offer a good story?

I understand that people have different tastes, but it seems like it's all about 'reward' now, that you get something more than fun out of it.
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Jun 2 2018, 09:16 PM
I feel like people might be missing my point.

An example: Something as simple as Super Mario Bros. You know what you get, it doesn't really change in many regards except for Nintendo's ability to innovate. Mario was about having fun, it has even had multiplayer since the start (some games didn't have it like 64 and Sunshine) and when did it become important for people that it offer a good story?

I understand that people have different tastes, but it seems like it's all about 'reward' now, that you get something more than fun out of it.
You could argue that the game could be played for bragging rights, trying to get that high score.
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Jun 2 2018, 09:42 PM
You could argue that the game could be played for bragging rights, trying to get that high score.
That's not my point at all.
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It depends on the type or scope of the game I think.


If it's just a 2.5D fighting game you get it because you enjoy that, that's all it has and typically it does it well, a quick burst of action and challenge.

Personally, I don't just want to fight in a game for like 100's of hours, I have better things to do with my life than just button mash.


I don't think video games are fun just by virtue of being video games. If that were true every game would be fun wouldn't it?
Take the infamous Dynasty Warriors 9 for example.

They made the game much bigger by greatly expanding the map, making it an open world experience, technically adding more to it(disregarding f***holery with removing popular weapons to add on as DLC later) but in reality they just made the game f***ing boring and a chore to play, it can literally take you like 5-10 minutes to go somewhere on horseback and there is nothing exciting for you to see or do on the way there.

Same with games who's idea of level design is "copy and paste the same generic enemy over and over and over and over again" it's not fun, it just becomes tedium to do the same s*** constantly with no variation, it might be difficult but it's basically never exciting.
Like that level in Dark Souls everyone hates where they just stopped caring and chucked a bunch of Demons in one area with no thought for placement.


Like I said, the scope of the game or rather the core of the game matters most in my opinion. A 2.5D fighting game is good for what it is but if you were to add 500 identical fights to the story, with the same character being fought over and over again, something you HAD to do to finish the game, that would just suck. The scope of those games is to have a quick burst of action, learn combos, fight well and progress through challenges against a usually large variety of different characters.

And then there's open world games that are massive and meant to be fun to explore with something in every nook and cranny and a mind boggling amount of stuff to do.
But it doesn't matter if your games map is literally the size of the universe if there's nothing interesting within it, like No Man's Sky. The novelty of the different planets wears off when you realize you're doing the same thing over and over and you quickly find a solution for every problem that you will encounter, for instance when you get resistance to cold and heat and have enough oxygen to survive on toxic planets for ages, nothing is a challenge after a while and every would-be interesting ? on the map is just another one of those things you've already seen before and don't even need now. Another upgrade you already have, another generic encounter with an alien that looks suspiciously identical to one you saw five minutes ago.

Fun is certainly a subjective concept but yeah, I don't think games are inherently fun, at least once you get older and the novelty of it has worn off. You will need something to pull you in.

A simple thought there would be genre preferences, if games are fun by default why do you never play driving games, puzzle games or aircraft simulators? You don't find those fun. What they are doesn't interest you, unless something in particular grabs you.
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I think we've become spoiled when it comes to video games (and everything tbh). I know that games have changed over the years, but my main problem with gamers nowadays is the thought-process "what do I get out of it?" when fun or escaping from real life should be main priority.

I'm not saying you should find certain games fun, we all have different taste, but those people that play to get a reward is just... I think it's wrong.
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Jun 5 2018, 01:17 AM
I think we've become spoiled when it comes to video games (and everything tbh). I know that games have changed over the years, but my main problem with gamers nowadays is the thought-process "what do I get out of it?" when fun or escaping from real life should be main priority.

I'm not saying you should find certain games fun, we all have different taste, but those people that play to get a reward is just... I think it's wrong.
But you literally do the same thing just on a scaled down level. People find it more fun to be told an interesting story or do something that feels new/adds to the game, because otherwise it's just something they've already experienced.
You are also opting for a more advanced experience than the norm by playing Mario Odyssey, if you really played video games just for fun would you not be playing simple games like Tetris or Pong constantly? If they're inherently fun, why not?

Video games aren't that special anymore so many people need that special something to interest them, the only games I can think of that are played just to be video games now are mobile games, which have as much content or even more than games of like 30 years ago.

Like you said video games have changed, they've grown as both an art form and a means of entertainment, they are no longer the digital equivalent to a game of Checkers they have grown to be far more complex and fulfilling and without that edge people find them boring.

How many people do you catch itching to sit and play Checkers or do a wordsearch? It's really only people who have absolutely nothing better to do with their time.
Even older people went nuts for Sudoku when it became big, suddenly crosswords weren't that exciting. Though they are still played a lot of course but Sudoku was a huge hit at least in the UK just for being something different and challenging.
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Jun 5 2018, 01:17 AM
I think we've become spoiled when it comes to video games (and everything tbh). I know that games have changed over the years, but my main problem with gamers nowadays is the thought-process "what do I get out of it?" when fun or escaping from real life should be main priority.

I'm not saying you should find certain games fun, we all have different taste, but those people that play to get a reward is just... I think it's wrong.
Realize that "fun", "escaping", and "distraction" are also rewards.
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