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| EMIYA | May 27 2018, 11:45 PM Post #16 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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Vegeta's first match is is literally against Goku, someone who at this point can literally beat his face around. Without transformations, Goku is pretty much the strongest one around and by a good deal too. Piccolo is already treated as being weaker than Kaioshin in the series and considering Mighty Mask is allowed Super Saiyan, he himself can easily beat the entire roster with all four hands behind his back. There is literally no way Vegeta's getting past the first round and even if Piccolo did get past Kaioshin, statements pretty much guarantee he isn't getting past the other Base Saiyans, much less an SSJ Mighty Mask. |
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| + Son-Goku | May 27 2018, 11:54 PM Post #17 |
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Kibitio is supposed to be around Gohan's base level. Yet base Gohan can beat Supreme Kai? What? |
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| EMIYA | May 27 2018, 11:58 PM Post #18 |
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There is absolutely no reason to put Kibito on Base Gohan's level, despite what the guidebooks might say. Kaioshin alone was practically dumbfounded by the Base Saiyans when they fought Babidi's men. For me, it says a lot that Kaioshin was willing to let the Base Saiyans fight against what he deemed to be some of the strongest people in the universe. You'd think if Kaioshin was stronger, he'd want to step in and fight these guys. If he thinks the likes of Pui-Pui and Yakon are some of Babidi's best and then a bunch of vastly weaker Base Saiyans come in...I'd freak out. I'd be like... Kaioshin: Whoa! Back off Vegeta...let me..the Powerful Kaioshin...handle Babidi's ultimate warriors." Because you have to remember the whole point with SSj2 Gohan got completely retconned, for one reason or another. Goku transforming is treated as being the first time Kaioshin ever saw this ability and even remarks to Kibito later on that he never saw Gohan's true power. |
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| + Pyrus | May 27 2018, 11:59 PM Post #19 |
 
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I don't think Kibito is around Base Gohan's level. The Daizenshuu entry seems to come from Gohan's worry about revealing his identity against Kibito. Given Kaioshin didn't include Kibito in his mind for one-shotting Freeza, I tend to believe Kibito is below Freeza, while Base Gohan is around Android 18 at least. |
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| + Son-Goku | May 28 2018, 12:03 AM Post #20 |
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Gohan was nervous and I see no reason to doubt the guidebooks, it only supports what we see. The Supreme Kai is the most unreliable information in the series. He has no idea of anyone's strength. Time and time again he has been seen to be unreliable. He had no idea how powerful the saiyans truly were and is constantly being lectured by the Old Kai for not knowing anything. Him thinking Pui Pui is all that, really doesn't say much. |
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| + Pyrus | May 28 2018, 12:07 AM Post #21 |
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Gohan was more worried about being identified by the general public than fighting Kibito. Chapter: 443 (DBZ 249), P9.1-3 Context: as Gohan prepares to fight Kibito Gohan: “Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].” Note: That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing. |
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| EMIYA | May 28 2018, 12:10 AM Post #22 |
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Do you mean against Kibito? Gohan wasn't nervous, he was uncertain. He and the others cannot feel either Kaioshin or Kibito's Ki, so they're left wondering exactly how powerful they are. Vegeta even remarks that they'll be able to see how strong they are when they fight since they can't sense them directly.. Kaioshin's words still have a lot of meaning. If he thinks someone like Pui-Pui is going to be a threat, there is no way he'd let people weaker than him fight. Even if he can't sense Pui-Pui, he can definitely sense Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. The fact that he allows the Base Saiyans to fight against opponents he thinks will prove problematic kind of gives a good idea of where Kaioshin stands. There's also other points made such as how Kaioshin states he can't beat Goku (Of course this was before the whole SSj2 Gohan retcon fiacaso, so it was hard to tell if this was in mind of SSJ or not) and then there's just things like Base Goku wielding the 'Z" sword while Kaioshin literally couldn't pick it up. Overall if Kaioshin himself deems the Base Saiyans has being quite skilled and is willing to let them fight against the same people Kaioshin is anxious about, I don't see why Kibito would fare much better. |
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| + Son-Goku | May 28 2018, 12:12 AM Post #23 |
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That's part of it and I'm not saying that Gohan would lose, but the fact of the matter is that Gohan said he looked like a tough opponent to beat. The guidebooks also support it by saying Kibito has power that rivals Gohan. (something along those lines) |
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| EMIYA | May 28 2018, 12:18 AM Post #24 |
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The statement given kind of already gives that point thanks to Herms note. Basically the idea is that if Gohan starts showing off what he can really do, that's just going to mess up his interactions with the school, classmates, etc. However, Kibito is obviously strong enough that Gohan knows he's probably going to have to show off more power than comfortable. It's not about Kibito~Base Gohan. It's that Kibito is strong enough that Gohan knows he can't hide his real abilities from the general masses and of course, even if Gohan only used power that was on First Form Freeza's level, that's still enough to oust him to the public. Edited by EMIYA, May 28 2018, 12:19 AM.
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| + Son-Goku | May 28 2018, 12:21 AM Post #25 |
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I get what you're saying. But I'm also using the guidebook statement as well. |
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| + Pyrus | May 28 2018, 12:25 AM Post #26 |
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The guidebook statement isn't necessary when the manga is enough IMO, but you're free to believe Kibito ~ Base Gohan. |
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| PocketGod | May 28 2018, 12:27 AM Post #27 |
 
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I'd go with Piccolo or 18 winning. |
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| EMIYA | May 28 2018, 12:30 AM Post #28 |
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Also, something that I feel I need to be sure of is to have Kibitoshin weaker than SSj2 Vegeta. After all, it's not Kibitoshin that decided to duke it out with Kid Boo despite being a Potara Fusion. Meanwhile, I have Pre-Base Gotenks>SSj2 Vegeta. Considering Kaioshin is at least on, if not more powerful than than Base Kids, the only way I can make Kibitoshin weaker, much more with the vastly superior Potara Fusion, is by specifically having Kibito much, much weaker to counteract it. |
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| EMIYA | May 28 2018, 12:46 AM Post #29 |
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Quick double Post. I'd also like to remind everyone of how the brackets actually played out.  Someone like Vegeta has no chance because his very first opponent is someone vastly more powerful than him. The same thing with No. 18. Even if she doesn't give up the fight with Mr. Satan, she has no chance in beating either Goku or Vegeta. Meanwhile, statements and/or implications allow Gohan to beat everyone on his side of the bracket. We know he can beat Kibito, Videl, Spopovich, Punta and Krillin and implications if not direct statements says he can do the same to Kaioshin and Piccolo. Therefore, even though Gohan is hardly the strongest in the tournament, the luck of the draw and his current placement means he's at least getting up to the Semi-Final. |
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| Billa | May 28 2018, 12:57 AM Post #30 |
Thala na Gethu!
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Either Goku or Vegeta wins lol Goku maybe lenient to Mr. Satan, but Veggie isnt lol On the other hand, Veggie's sole goal was to beat Goku. Once he accomplishes dat, dude simply couldnt care less bout 25th TB He might blast whole Tenkaichi Budoukai stadium by accident |
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