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Super Saiyan 4 Goku runs the Super Gauntlet
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 21 2018, 06:54 PM Post #31
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat.
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StrenuousSpider	May 21 2018, 07:15 PM Post #32
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 06:54 PM He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat. Pretty sure it was explained. Something like absorbing the blows or something Because beerus was impressed goku learned so quickly if im remembering correctly. So its not a useless feat what so ever. And regarding the space between dimensions we dont know if thats what buu was doing we dont know how big or small they are. All we know is he caused holes which then caused the collapse. He was not powerful enough to go at the universe in his own right.



Goddess Ultimecia	May 21 2018, 07:31 PM Post #33
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Pyrus May 21 2018, 05:08 PM Goddess Ultimecia May 21 2018, 12:39 PM Pyrus May 21 2018, 04:23 AM The poster wasn't meant to be taken that way, though, obviously. It's talking to us as fans to hype up the newest thing. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/964867063163469825 And if GT is supposed to take place after Super, and V-Jump was acting like this was true, then this would an utter lie. It would be blatantly empty words. This is Dragonball Super, a series filled to the brim with false statements and blatant empty words that we the fans have had to make excuses for time and time again. This isn't new. Not really an argument against the material here. You're talking about statements, I assume. This isn't a statement made my a character in the show. I'm not sure why I would have to put stock into outside statements regarding Super more than statements inside Super itself. If I can't trust the latter, why would I trust the former? Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, May 21 2018, 07:31 PM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 21 2018, 07:49 PM Post #34
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 07:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 06:54 PM He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat. Pretty sure it was explained. Something like absorbing the blows or something Because beerus was impressed goku learned so quickly if im remembering correctly. So its not a useless feat what so ever. And regarding the space between dimensions we dont know if thats what buu was doing we dont know how big or small they are. All we know is he caused holes which then caused the collapse. He was not powerful enough to go at the universe in his own right. Nope, nothing like that was said, I'm pretty sure. Feel free to provide the dialogue if such a thing was said. That's a baseless assertion. Boo was destroying the space between dimensions, which would leave only the alternate dimensions. I don't see how the alternate dimensions would collapse the universe otherwise.
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StrenuousSpider	May 21 2018, 08:17 PM Post #35
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 07:49 PM StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 07:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 06:54 PM He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat. Pretty sure it was explained. Something like absorbing the blows or something Because beerus was impressed goku learned so quickly if im remembering correctly. So its not a useless feat what so ever. And regarding the space between dimensions we dont know if thats what buu was doing we dont know how big or small they are. All we know is he caused holes which then caused the collapse. He was not powerful enough to go at the universe in his own right. Nope, nothing like that was said, I'm pretty sure. Feel free to provide the dialogue if such a thing was said. That's a baseless assertion. Boo was destroying the space between dimensions, which would leave only the alternate dimensions. I don't see how the alternate dimensions would collapse the universe otherwise. Nothing said buu was destroying anything past ripping holes in space and causing it to become unstable. Nothing was said about the space between them.



+ Pyrus	May 21 2018, 08:22 PM Post #36
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Goddess Ultimecia May 21 2018, 07:31 PM Pyrus May 21 2018, 05:08 PM Goddess Ultimecia May 21 2018, 12:39 PM Pyrus May 21 2018, 04:23 AM The poster wasn't meant to be taken that way, though, obviously. It's talking to us as fans to hype up the newest thing. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/964867063163469825 And if GT is supposed to take place after Super, and V-Jump was acting like this was true, then this would an utter lie. It would be blatantly empty words. This is Dragonball Super, a series filled to the brim with false statements and blatant empty words that we the fans have had to make excuses for time and time again. This isn't new. Not really an argument against the material here. You're talking about statements, I assume. This isn't a statement made my a character in the show. I'm not sure why I would have to put stock into outside statements regarding Super more than statements inside Super itself. If I can't trust the latter, why would I trust the former? So Vegeta is automatically wrong because he's been wrong in the past? That's basically what your argument comes down to. "This has been wrong in the past so it's wrong now." Instead of disproving the specific incident, you shrug it off and toss it into a hole with everything else, thereby not having to do any actual work. It's not proving anything.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 21 2018, 08:29 PM Post #37
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 08:17 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 07:49 PM StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 07:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 06:54 PM He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat. Pretty sure it was explained. Something like absorbing the blows or something Because beerus was impressed goku learned so quickly if im remembering correctly. So its not a useless feat what so ever. And regarding the space between dimensions we dont know if thats what buu was doing we dont know how big or small they are. All we know is he caused holes which then caused the collapse. He was not powerful enough to go at the universe in his own right. Nope, nothing like that was said, I'm pretty sure. Feel free to provide the dialogue if such a thing was said. That's a baseless assertion. Boo was destroying the space between dimensions, which would leave only the alternate dimensions. I don't see how the alternate dimensions would collapse the universe otherwise. Nothing said buu was destroying anything past ripping holes in space and causing it to become unstable. Nothing was said about the space between them. I'm not sure what you think he was doing then...
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StrenuousSpider	May 21 2018, 08:36 PM Post #38
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 08:29 PM StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 08:17 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 07:49 PM StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 07:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 06:54 PM He is destroying the space between dimensions, allowing the alternate dimensions to crush the universe, which is to say he can expand the holes in space-time throughout the universe. It's no less impressive than Goku and Beerus creating shock waves capable to destroying all the matter in the universe. What's more, I can't help but bring up how inconsistent Beerus's and Goku's feat is. So Beerus and Goku are strong enough to destroy the universe with enough clashes, yet Godku is small potatoes even by Golden Freeza's standard, yet Goku and Freeza aren't creating universe destroying shockwaves. Why is that? Well, it's never really explained. Elder Kaioshin just hand waves it away with "Oh, they're just fighting now." as if that's supposed to mean something. For all we know Beerus is solely responsible for the universe destroying shockwaves by nature of being a God of Destruction. It's a useless feat. Pretty sure it was explained. Something like absorbing the blows or something Because beerus was impressed goku learned so quickly if im remembering correctly. So its not a useless feat what so ever. And regarding the space between dimensions we dont know if thats what buu was doing we dont know how big or small they are. All we know is he caused holes which then caused the collapse. He was not powerful enough to go at the universe in his own right. Nope, nothing like that was said, I'm pretty sure. Feel free to provide the dialogue if such a thing was said. That's a baseless assertion. Boo was destroying the space between dimensions, which would leave only the alternate dimensions. I don't see how the alternate dimensions would collapse the universe otherwise. Nothing said buu was destroying anything past ripping holes in space and causing it to become unstable. Nothing was said about the space between them. I'm not sure what you think he was doing then... Nothing as grand as you make it out to be lol. My Webpage Not exactly absorbing but canceling them out. After this as said no more shock waves were happening. Edited by StrenuousSpider, May 21 2018, 08:37 PM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 21 2018, 08:41 PM Post #39
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	So you keep saying, but you can't refute what I'm suggesting. Evil Boo was able to tear a hole in space-time to escape the Room of Spirit and Time. This is just that on a significantly larger scale. Eventually he'd eliminate the space between dimensions, thus crushing the universe like Vegetto was suggesting. Yeah, Goku was able to cancel out the waves at first, but they eventually started up again. When Beerus supposedly prevents the destruction of the universe, the waves stop again, and this time Elder Kaioshin dismisses this as "oh, they're just fighting now." In other words, Goku wasn't able to consistently prevent the shockwaves, and they eventually just stop for no reason. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, May 21 2018, 08:45 PM.
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StrenuousSpider	May 21 2018, 08:48 PM Post #40
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 08:41 PM The image you posted isn't working. So you keep saying, but you can't refute what I'm suggesting. Evil Boo was able to tear a hole in space-time to escape the Room of Spirit and Time. This is just that on a significantly larger scale. Eventually he'd eliminate the space between dimensions, thus crushing the universe like Vegetto was suggesting. That still means nothing the holes he caused were small only affecting earth but that caused the universe to go unstable he was destroying nothing even in the chamber. In the chamber he caused a hole that sealed itself before it had time to cause damage while later it did not. Again this is not buus power destroying the universe its the reaction of him ripping holes in space that cause this. Ripping holes from one dimension to another is not destroying the space between.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 21 2018, 08:55 PM Post #41
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 08:48 PM That still means nothing the holes he caused were small only affecting earth but that caused the universe to go unstable he was destroying nothing even in the chamber. In the chamber he caused a hole that sealed itself before it had time to cause damage while later it did not. Again this is not buus power destroying the universe its the reaction of him ripping holes in space that cause this. Ripping holes from one dimension to another is not destroying the space between. The holes aren't just affecting the area around Earth if the entire universe is at risk. Yeah, the hole patched itself up, it was still a hole in space-time. Boo is the one creating the holes. That in and of itself will lead to the universes destruction because eventually the space between dimensions will be eliminated. Yes, ripping holes in space-time is destroying the space between dimensions. I'll leave it at that. This is devolving into a series of yeah huh and nuh uhs.
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StrenuousSpider	May 21 2018, 08:59 PM Post #42
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	ThePrinceOfSaiyans May 21 2018, 08:55 PM StrenuousSpider May 21 2018, 08:48 PM That still means nothing the holes he caused were small only affecting earth but that caused the universe to go unstable he was destroying nothing even in the chamber. In the chamber he caused a hole that sealed itself before it had time to cause damage while later it did not. Again this is not buus power destroying the universe its the reaction of him ripping holes in space that cause this. Ripping holes from one dimension to another is not destroying the space between. The holes aren't just affecting the area around Earth if the entire universe is at risk. Yeah, the hole patched itself up, it was still a hole in space-time. Boo is the one creating the holes. That in and of itself will lead to the universes destruction because eventually the space between dimensions will be eliminated. Yes, ripping holes in space-time is destroying the space between dimensions. I'll leave it at that. This is devolving into a series of yeah huh and nuh uhs. Ripping holes in space time is not the same as destroying anything. But if you want to keep believing that go ahead. Of course even a pea sized rip can cause problems thats not the point here. The point is buus power was not enough to cause the rips past earth but the chaon reaction of doing so caused the universe to be in danger. If he was truly destroying the space between dimensions then they would not have been able to repair themselves.



+ Solid Snake	May 21 2018, 09:06 PM Post #43
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	I respect you trying to justify Buuhan's power to help out Super Saiyan 4 Goku and I agree. But when is all said and done, God Goku himself is also able to do it along with having his own feat of actually almost destroying the universe. So even if Super Saiyan 4 Goku can do it, it's nothing that can really help him if his opponent can do it as a side effect of fighting.
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Goddess Ultimecia	May 21 2018, 09:12 PM Post #44
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Pyrus May 21 2018, 08:22 PM Goddess Ultimecia May 21 2018, 07:31 PM Pyrus May 21 2018, 05:08 PM Goddess Ultimecia May 21 2018, 12:39 PM Pyrus May 21 2018, 04:23 AM The poster wasn't meant to be taken that way, though, obviously. It's talking to us as fans to hype up the newest thing. https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/964867063163469825 And if GT is supposed to take place after Super, and V-Jump was acting like this was true, then this would an utter lie. It would be blatantly empty words. This is Dragonball Super, a series filled to the brim with false statements and blatant empty words that we the fans have had to make excuses for time and time again. This isn't new. Not really an argument against the material here. You're talking about statements, I assume. This isn't a statement made my a character in the show. I'm not sure why I would have to put stock into outside statements regarding Super more than statements inside Super itself. If I can't trust the latter, why would I trust the former? So Vegeta is automatically wrong because he's been wrong in the past? That's basically what your argument comes down to. "This has been wrong in the past so it's wrong now." Instead of disproving the specific incident, you shrug it off and toss it into a hole with everything else, thereby not having to do any actual work. It's not proving anything. Meh, doing such things is pretty common place in this community. And arguing against it doesn't seem to have any sort of actual effect, might as well hop on and do the same. It's fun to speculate on these sort of things I've found, instead of walking around with a stick up my butt on consistency and such. Dragonball Super doesn't really have much of it, and we should in turn do the same in regards to what is said about it officially or in the show itself. If that means someone wants to think that GT takes place after Super or that SBV1 is stronger than Beerus then so be it.
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Mike XL	May 22 2018, 05:24 PM Post #45
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	SSG Goku when clashing with a power his equal(Heavily suppressed Beerus) nearly destroyed the Universe. There isn't anything in GT that comes to that level of destructive power, and SSG is childs play compared to SSB, Ultra Instinct, Freeza, Hit, Toppo, Jiren, the Gods of Destruction, the Angels, The Grand Priest, Zeno, etc. The GT verse doesn't get out of the first arc of Super when it comes to the top guys. All that said, I still think the GTverse is a lot stronger than the characters below SSG level, like Piccolo, 18, Tagoma, Cabba, Kale, Califla, the humans, and a lot of the middling characters in the TOP. But when it comes to the big guns, they're nothing.



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