SSB X20 Kaio-Ken Goku, SSB Vegeta, Golden Frieza, and 17 vs God of Desturction Toppo

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SSB X20 Kaio-Ken Goku, SSB Vegeta, Golden Frieza, and 17 vs God of Desturction Toppo
Tweet Topic Started: May 18 2018, 02:00 AM (1,084 Views)
caryslan	May 18 2018, 02:00 AM Post #1
Posts: 104 Group: Member Member #4,242 Joined: June 16, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball, DBZ, Crest of the Stars, Trigun Favourite Manga Spice and Wolf, Inuyasha, Dragonball, Naruto	In this fight, we have the remaining fighters of Universe 7 taking on Toppo, the God of Destruction. This fight is the final match of the ToP, and whoever wins will have their Universe spared and earns the right to wish on the Super Dragon Balls. The backstory of this fight is this. Goku's Destructo Disc Hexa Blade did the impossible and eliminated Jiren from the match, while Gohan held Dypso in place and let both of them be blasted off the fighting stage by Frieza. As a result, Toppo was left as the only fighter for Universe 11, and although he put up a good fight, 4 on 1 were impossible odds even for the mighty Warrior of Justice. Backed into a corner and with his Universe's Survival at stake, Toppo casts away justice and embraces the power of a Destroyer! On the verge of victory, Universe 7's last four fighters now face the God of Destruction Toppo! Here are the rules for this fight. 1. Toppo has access to the Energy of Destruction and can use it like he did in the ToP. This means he can create an aura that destroys Ki-Based attacks on contact and fire off blasts of destructive energy. Due to his training not being complete, he lacks the skills of a fully trained God of Destruction. 2. Goku cannot use any version of Ultra Instinct in this fight and Vegeta does not have access to Super Saiyan Blue Limit Break. So for this fight, Goku is limited to the Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken X20 and Vegeta, Super Saiyan Blue. 3. The four Universe 7 fighters can otherwise use all the abilities they have at their disposal, up and including the Spirit Bomb. 4. Fusion is not an option, either due to Toppo destroying the Potaras as Shin tosses them, or they somehow otherwise become unusable. 5. Team 7 will win the ToP if they have at least two fighters left on the stage when time runs out or they somehow knock Toppo off the stage. Toppo can only win by taking out all of Universe 7's fighters. So, who wins this fight? Does the God of Destruction Toppo overwhelm what's left of Universe 7's fighters, or does Universe 7 somehow pull off the win with teamwork?



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	May 18 2018, 02:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Kaioken Goku would beat him around like Vegeta did. Goku can't land a finishing blow past the Destruction Energy though. Vegeta needed Final Explosion to do that, so Goku will need to combine energy attacks with everyone else to overpower it.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	May 18 2018, 03:05 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	Universe 7's only hope is a ring out. Perhaps some combination of crafty barrier use from No. 17 and paralysis from Freeza could set up Toppo to get blown out of the ring by a combo beam from Goku and Vegeta. Other than that, Toppo would beat around KKx20 Blue Goku just like he did to SSBE Vegeta before his resolve boost. SSB Vegeta, Golden Freeza, and No.17 are fodder to the mustache GoD.



Boots Mcmurphy	May 20 2018, 10:32 AM Post #4
Posts: 66 Group: Member Member #14,231 Joined: January 26, 2018 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime DBZ, DeathNote, Attack on Titan, Souleater What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga DBZ	Royal SSJB Vegeta was equal too (or perhaps higher) than SSJBX20 so I assume Goku KKX20 has a chance to knock him out, but he would have to put a lot of effort into an energy attack 17, Frieza and Vegeta should provide a big enough annoyance or distraction to allow Goku to get rid of Toppo, id say U7 win this but with high difficulty



+ Son-Goku	May 20 2018, 02:59 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Goku helps out the most here as I have him about equal to Toppo, everyone else reassures his victory.
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Sjk8	May 20 2018, 03:02 PM Post #6
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	Boots Mcmurphy May 20 2018, 10:32 AM Royal SSJB Vegeta was equal too (or perhaps higher) than SSJBX20 so I assume Goku KKX20 has a chance to knock him out, but he would have to put a lot of effort into an energy attack 17, Frieza and Vegeta should provide a big enough annoyance or distraction to allow Goku to get rid of Toppo, id say U7 win this but with high difficulty Agreed. I have God Toppo clearly stronger than initial ToP SSB KKx20 Goku (and that's what the Grand Priest implied during the showdown match), but more or less equal to post ToP SSB KKx20 Goku. Goku, with the help of the others, could have the chance to take this, but it would be a hell of a fight. And oh, glad to see you again. ;-) Edited by Sjk8, May 20 2018, 03:05 PM.
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Mike XL	May 21 2018, 04:53 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	I have SSB Kaioken X 20 Goku about as strong as ascended SSB Vegeta, and considering that even Final Form Freeza and 17 were able to dodge and annoy Toppo when not fighting him head on, I'd say Universe 7 wins quite easily here.



PF18	May 21 2018, 07:33 PM Post #8
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	SuperSaiyanGodGogeta May 18 2018, 02:39 AM Kaioken Goku would beat him around like Vegeta did. Goku can't land a finishing blow past the Destruction Energy though. Vegeta needed Final Explosion to do that, so Goku will need to combine energy attacks with everyone else to overpower it. ....no? Vegeta could only beat up toppo atter he got the huge power boost on top of SSBE. Gpku using Kaioken would have no chance even in terms of hand to hand combat



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	May 22 2018, 06:19 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	And what about his boost? Nothing implies that he's above Kaioken Goku. Not like you can even use the "He was initially shown to be equal to Goku prior to his boost" argument since the same thing is shown afterwards. So Kaioken Goku beats Toppo around just like Vegeta did. He just needs help overcoming Destruction Energy. And the two are shown as equals after the TOP with the only mentioned difference being Ultra Instinct. So I'll just take the narrative over whatever you're trying to say. Edited by SuperSaiyanGodGogeta, May 22 2018, 06:24 PM.
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PF18	May 24 2018, 09:40 PM Post #10
Posts: 450 Group: Member Member #14,296 Joined: March 22, 2018 Gender Male Country United States	SuperSaiyanGodGogeta May 22 2018, 06:19 PM And what about his boost? Nothing implies that he's above Kaioken Goku. Not like you can even use the "He was initially shown to be equal to Goku prior to his boost" argument since the same thing is shown afterwards. So Kaioken Goku beats Toppo around just like Vegeta did. He just needs help overcoming Destruction Energy. And the two are shown as equals after the TOP with the only mentioned difference being Ultra Instinct. So I'll just take the narrative over whatever you're trying to say. uhhh Yeah you can say that they were initially shown to be equal prior to Vegeta's boost. If you think the performance was similar it could probably just be because Vegeta had lost ki from his Final Explosion. Vegeta(post-prideboost/rageboost) is definitely much stronger than SSBKKx20. Vegeta went to being equal to SSBKK, but inferior to GoD Toppo, to being far superior to GoD Toppo.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	May 24 2018, 11:37 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	The power that Vegeta used during his final fight was above Toppo as stated by Jiren, so no that excuse doesn't work. If you're claiming that Initial SSBE Vegeta and SSB Kaioken Goku were equal in strength due to a side by side performance, then the same would apply afterwards. The two are treated as equal after the TOP, so the idea that Vegeta is countless times stronger than Goku at the end is ridiculous at best. I don't see how this is any different from the Black arc where people claimed that Post Rosat Vegeta was way stronger than Goku when in fact it turned out he wasn't.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	May 24 2018, 11:41 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	The episode title even implies Vegeta got a boost vs. Toppo. It's pretty obvious. Vegeta and Goku are fighting on par with each other vs. Jiren. Vegeta gets smacked around by Toppo, and then he thinks of his family and suddenly he's wiping the floor with Toppo. It's pretty obvious to anyone with common sense he got a boost there. SSBE Vegeta (initial) ~ KKx20 Blue Goku < GoD Toppo < SSBE Vegeta (post resolve) is what's shown in the show.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	May 24 2018, 11:49 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Yeah, you aren't tracking the discussion. I never said that he didn't get a boost. Him getting a boost simply isn't evidence for being above Goku when they are still shown to be equal afterwards and after the TOP. You can say that as much as you want, but it isn't fact by any means. They're "equal" against Jiren initially, then during their final fight against Jiren they're still "equal".
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Slifer	May 24 2018, 11:54 PM Post #14
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Goku and Freeza were treated as equal going into the ToP. Kaioken didn't count then but now it does now against Vegeta? Funny how that works. Edited by Slifer, May 24 2018, 11:54 PM.



SuperSaiyanGodGogeta	May 24 2018, 11:58 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,228 Group: Member Member #11,951 Joined: December 29, 2014 Gender Male	Not relevant to anything that I said.
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