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DBH introduces new evil saiyan
Topic Started: May 15 2018, 02:31 PM (1,332 Views)
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May 16 2018, 05:33 AM
Looks straight out of Deviantart.

We did not need more Saiyans at all, really. I was against more being introduced in DBS from the start, tbh; it's very fanfic-y to introduce more Saiyans.
Straight out of Deviantart is a compliment to artists of that site. It just goes to show you how much dedication can get you.



I like this, actually. It's not impossible that this new saiyan was out on mission while Freeza blew up Planet Vegeta and has been through some sort of ordeal since. Looks like he's in some straight-jacket contraption, which looks kinda cool.
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May 16 2018, 05:33 AM
Looks straight out of Deviantart.

We did not need more Saiyans at all, really. I was against more being introduced in DBS from the start, tbh; it's very fanfic-y to introduce more Saiyans.
Is that an insult or what? Deviantart has some great stuff, so I'm not sure what you mean with that.

Completely disagree with you, I think having new saiyans is fine and it doesn't make it fanficy. You can say that about literally anything new.
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dA is well known for plenty of garbage that gets posted there. Not necessarily freaky fetishes but stuff that makes you think how 8 year olds managed to get into the site.

I agree with Scotty in that regard, and also about having too many saiyans. There are SO many species out there in the universe that you'd think a supervillain could just spawn out of any planet.
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May 16 2018, 08:13 PM
dA is well known for plenty of garbage that gets posted there. Not necessarily freaky fetishes but stuff that makes you think how 8 year olds managed to get into the site.

I agree with Scotty in that regard, and also about having too many saiyans. There are SO many species out there in the universe that you'd think a supervillain could just spawn out of any planet.
There's not enough canon saiyans imo. I want a cool evil saiyan that isn't a Goku look-alike or Vegeta being controlled.
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He looks like something an edgy kid who doesn't understand Dragon Ball at all (not that there's a whole lot to understand, but still) would draw. Can't wait for him to break out of that straightjacket and unveil his unique transformation, Super Saiyan Cobalt Blue Ultra Instinct 3.

I think Dragon Ball already has enough evil Saiyans, canon or otherwise. Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta were the antagonists of one of the manga's best arcs. Bardock was just a violent thug with above-average determination before being retconned into a nice guy. And then we have the new movie's villain... and this disposable video-game character people will forget about in two weeks. Not to mention Broly and Paragus on the non-canon side (where this new guy also belongs). Saiyans make Toei and Shueisha a whole lot of money but it has the unfortunate side-effect of making Dragon Ball's universe/multiverse look awfully small. The heroes keep running into people who just so happen to belong the same species as the protagonist.
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A saiyan villain is closer to Goku and Vegeta's heritage and it's been a long while since we've had a saiyan villain. I don't consider Goku Black a saiyan villain since he was technically something else and Vegeta turned to good so not him either. Wouldn't the last one be Broly? That's a long long time ago.
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May 16 2018, 05:33 AM
Looks straight out of Deviantart.

We did not need more Saiyans at all, really. I was against more being introduced in DBS from the start, tbh; it's very fanfic-y to introduce more Saiyans.
Is that an insult or what? Deviantart has some great stuff
Mostly garbage. Deviantart has an infamous reputations for being full of terrible fanart, fancharacters, fanfiction, etc. This new Saiyan in Dragon Ball Heroes literally looks like an edgy OC a 13 year old would have come up with. The best thing I can say about it is that at least it's currently being kept to a video game.

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You can say that about literally anything new.


No, you can't. Saiyans are the most common type of OCs; they're extremely common in fanfiction. Something that is truly original and creative wouldn't be very fanficy, as it wouldn't have been used non stop in fanfiction like Saiyans are. Something being fanficy basically just means it's unoriginal.

Even disregarding fanfiction and looking at just the official franchise, Saiyans are unnecessary; we've already had plenty of them. They really should have never come back outside of video games. We should be getting original, creative villains, not more Saiyans.
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Scotty_Rogers
May 16 2018, 05:33 AM
Looks straight out of Deviantart.

We did not need more Saiyans at all, really. I was against more being introduced in DBS from the start, tbh; it's very fanfic-y to introduce more Saiyans.
Didn't you like one of the new saiyans DBS introduced? Like a lot?

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May 23 2018, 08:49 AM
Mostly garbage. Deviantart has an infamous reputations for being full of terrible fanart, fancharacters, fanfiction, etc.

DeviantART has a lot of talented DBZ artists. Sure, there's some objectively bad art but at least people are trying to get better and draw their own stuff, rather than edit other artists work without crediting them. (Post #4) You even made a topic here without crediting the artist you took this from. I'm sure whatever you could draw would look 'straight out of deviantART' as you so delicately put it.



As for my thoughts on this... looks interesting. The straight jacket is dope. Shame I'm not into the games, but I'll probably be keeping a close eye on this guy.
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May 16 2018, 05:33 AM
Looks straight out of Deviantart.

We did not need more Saiyans at all, really. I was against more being introduced in DBS from the start, tbh; it's very fanfic-y to introduce more Saiyans.
Is that an insult or what? Deviantart has some great stuff
Mostly garbage. Deviantart has an infamous reputations for being full of terrible fanart, fancharacters, fanfiction, etc. This new Saiyan in Dragon Ball Heroes literally looks like an edgy OC a 13 year old would have come up with. The best thing I can say about it is that at least it's currently being kept to a video game.
That's a matter of opinion. I don't take you for a person who easily listens to what others have to say, so I am gonna assume you've made up this opinion yourself.

I think many of the artists on DeviantArt are very talented and calling their art "terrible" is downright rude. But I expect nothing less from you.
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I will say in regards to Deviantart, it's less that it's garbage, because sure, a lot of it is what we would call sub-par or bad. But it's mostly from what I've seen a good way for artists to get their lumps in a sense and improve as an artist. I've seen artists that started off doing stick figures and end up making halfway decent full character busts and drawings.

A lot of the artists that you remembered as being terrible, try an experiment and head back and check them out these days. They've probably improved a lot, and it's really interesting to watch their style change subtly (is that a word) bit by bit until their most recent art is far better than it used to be (if not actually really damn good by most people's standards).
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I guess he could turn to ssjblue with itching his rht finger.

I have no problem with the new saiyan concept but if he turned out to be an inconsistency then i ll riot

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May 23 2018, 09:53 AM
Didn't you like one of the new saiyans DBS introduced? Like a lot?
Nah, I just think she's hot lol

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Just because they can draw well doesn't mean the things they draw are good.

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Sure, there's some objectively bad art but at least people are trying to get better and draw their own stuff, rather than edit other artists work without crediting them.


Bro are you really bringing up posts I made 2 years ago on GameFAQs lol

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DeviantART has a lot of talented DBZ artists. Sure, there's some objectively bad art but at least people are trying to get better and draw their own stuff, rather than edit other artists work without crediting them.


Your personal beef with me is irrelevant. The point is that art on Deviantart (more specifically, character designs) generally looks uninspired and not creative, just like this new Saiyan.

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I'm sure whatever you could draw would look 'straight out of deviantART' as you so delicately put it.


Nah, I'd draw original characters, not more Saiyans.
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Didn't you like one of the new saiyans DBS introduced? Like a lot?
Nah, I just think she's hot lol
My misunderstanding, then.

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Just because they can draw well doesn't mean the things they draw are good.
At least most of them aren't stealing from other artists to show off their ideas.

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May 23 2018, 10:36 AM
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Sure, there's some objectively bad art but at least people are trying to get better and draw their own stuff, rather than edit other artists work without crediting them.


Bro are you really bringing up posts I made 2 years ago on GameFAQs lol
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Your personal beef with me is irrelevant. The point is that art on Deviantart (more specifically, character designs) generally looks uninspired and not creative, just like this new Saiyan.
I'm bringing it up because you were making fun of a whole website of artists. I think it's funny someone who can't draw their own ideas makes fun of artists who're ... trying to draw their own ideas, good or bad in your opinion, at least they're drawing their own stuff. Also, this is from a month ago about the same thing with different (dare I say: stolen) art.

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May 23 2018, 10:36 AM
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I'm sure whatever you could draw would look 'straight out of deviantART' as you so delicately put it.


Nah, I'd draw original characters, not more Saiyans.
Doesn't mean they're instantly good ideas. But hey, if you want to dismiss this saiyan character without giving him a chance, that's your choice / loss. I don't like a lot of the Dragonball content that's come from the revival Battle of Gods gave the franchise... so I can understand your frustration to an extent. I'm just more optimistic, I guess.
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May 23 2018, 11:12 AM
I'm bringing it up because you were making fun of a whole website of artists. I think it's funny someone who can't draw their own ideas makes fun of artists who're ... trying to draw their own ideas, good or bad in your opinion, at least they're drawing their own stuff.
There's no correlation. If I was actually criticizing the quality of their drawings, you would have a point. But I'm not criticizing how they're drawing; I'm criticizing what they're drawing. A talented artist could draw furry porn (something Deviantart is infamous for). It doesn't matter how well they draw it; furry porn is creepy and it's creepy that they're drawing it. You don't have to be a talented artist to think someone is drawing creepy things. Likewise, you don't have to be a talented artist to think someone is drawing stupid things, like an edgy Saiyan in a straitjacket.

It's fine that you're a passionate artist, but don't let your passion misconstrue someone's argument.

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Also, this is from a month ago about the same thing with different (dare I say: stolen) art.


Lol can you really stop posting my threads from other forums. No actual, proper discussion comes from digging up a person's posts on other websites.
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Alright guys, let's stay on topic please. deviantART isn't the topic of discussion. Please avoid random off-topic comments that could insult someone's work in the future. I know a lot of very talented graphic artists that got their start here on DBZF/deviantART like Ange and .Revolution who were truly great at what they did and are now professional, last I checked. Nothing strange or lacking talent at all. The generalizations are unnecessary in an unrelated topic.

I think the design is certainly interesting. Obviously this could go a number of different ways. In the end, it's all about execution. Not human. Not Saiyan. Nothing like that. They could re-introduce Broli in a feature film and it could work if they absolutely nailed it somehow and redeemed the character. Not that something like this would ever happen, but, it's just an example. Perhaps a better one would be Freeza in the ToP. A lot of us were very apprehensive about his re-introduction and the world at large seemed a bit skeptical about it, considering the flub that was the RoF Super arc. However, Freeza was executed pretty well in the ToP and ended up being one of the brightest spots in the arc.

I'll reserve judgement until the film's release. The design leads to many different possibilities, though, which is good. I haven't seen a Dragon Ball character in a strait-jacket yet. :lol:
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