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Do you think Gohan should have got a zenkai during the fight with Buutenks?
Topic Started: May 9 2018, 02:44 PM (614 Views)
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I know he didn't, since Buutenks comments that his ki hasn't gone up, but based on other zenkais in the series, do you think Gohan was beaten badly enough for it to logically result in a zenkai?
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Bump

I'm watching the Freeza 2nd form fight and Gohan gets a zenkai even just from a pretty minor beating, after being healed by Dende (who also healed him against Buutenks).
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Yeah I guess he should have, but Zenkais stop being a thing after Frieza saga really
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No. Zenkais are supposed to be a rare occurrence when a saiyan is actually near death.

Vegeta bleeding out in his pod, being left to drown at the bottom of a lake, being beaten until he can't move by Recoome and having a hole blasted through him mostly make sense as very near death. He also had the advantage of Freeza needing him alive and senzu beans, without that he would have died.

Gohan's zenkai against second form Freeza can be attributed to a combination of saiyan zenkai potential and the slow burn of Guru releasing his powers causing a relatively minor beating to result in a zenkai.

I also believe a "self-inflicted" zenkai can only work once, like Vegeta lowering his power so Krillin can hurt him. If he tried to do that again, it wouldn't work, same for Cell blowing himself up, otherwise they could just mortally wound themselves and use senzu beans or healing chambers over and over again and if zenkais occurred that easily the saiyans would have gotten stronger as a race more quickly, just like Goku and Vegeta did once they went up against more extreme opponents.

People also assume Goku received loads of zenkais on his way to Namek, maybe he got one but I attribute his gains mostly to the 100G training.

Actual zenkais since Namek in my opinion are Cell's self destruction (which wouldn't work again), Gohan nearly dying against Fat Boo, Goku lowering his guard and being shot by Sorbet (which wouldn't work again), Vegeta getting stabbed by Black, Goku getting stabbed by Black and Goku learning the mafuba (it's supposed to be a killing technique and Goku seems stronger after the mafuba training).
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It's been stated that zenkais becomes minuscule after Super Saiyan was attained. It was so small, it's not even worth noting.
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May 18 2018, 11:54 AM
Bump

I'm watching the Freeza 2nd form fight and Gohan gets a zenkai even just from a pretty minor beating, after being healed by Dende (who also healed him against Buutenks).
A minor beating? Freeza was about to crush his skull.
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Nah. Gohan was exhausted and beaten fairly well, but he wasn't near-death.
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May 20 2018, 01:22 PM
People also assume Goku received loads of zenkais on his way to Namek, maybe he got one but I attribute his gains mostly to the 100G training.
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I don't think Gohan could increase his strength at all, even with a zenkai. All of his power is already brought out, so I don't really think he'd have any more to tap into.
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Same. I doubt a zenkai would have made any difference. Gohan's power was past its limits at that point. It would take some time to "reset," as it were—or a death.
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This is Ultimate Gohan we’re talking about here. Buutenks was strong but, not enough to get him near a zenkai. Plus it's like the others said, that stopped being a thing worth mentioning early on.
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May 20 2018, 01:22 PM


People also assume Goku received loads of zenkais on his way to Namek, maybe he got one but I attribute his gains mostly to the 100G training.

I just saw where someone posted a photo of the manga.

If I remember correctly, Goku had plenty of senzu beans at his disposal. Being able to get a hard workout in, then munching a senzu would have allowed him to skip recovery time. That plus Zenkai boosts are what allowed him to get so much stronger within 6 days. Had he not had the beans, he would not have been able to go all out in training, plus he would have had to give his body a rest. He probably would never have gotten past 50G.
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I feel like Toriyama specifically included the line about his power not going up to assure the viewers Gohan didn't get a zenkai.
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May 20 2018, 09:43 PM
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May 20 2018, 01:22 PM
People also assume Goku received loads of zenkais on his way to Namek, maybe he got one but I attribute his gains mostly to the 100G training.
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I don't think Gohan could increase his strength at all, even with a zenkai. All of his power is already brought out, so I don't really think he'd have any more to tap into.
That can still only allude to one actual zenkai boost, he is also skipping recovery time.

If the saiyans can just abuse zenkai like that then they're really moronic for... you know... not doing it again after Namek. Vegeta barely lets his body recover at all when he trains... and to be fair that is pretty moronic.
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Chapter: 270 (DBZ 76), P8.3-4
Context: Narrator commenting on Goku’s increasing strength.
Narrator: “Goku had continued this insane pattern of pushing his body and ki to the brink of death, then refreshing himself again by eating a senzu. The 7 senzu he received from Lord Karin have already fallen to only 3…However, though this training is outrageous, perhaps Goku has somehow realized the Saiyan characteristic of their strength increasing when they overcome death…”


The original text is more clear on Goku abusing the zenkai system.
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Then why did they stop doing that? Why didn't Cell self destruct another 50 times before coming back to Earth?
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