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Battle City Redux
Topic Started: May 9 2018, 04:58 AM (483 Views)
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Scenario: In an alternate dimension, prior to the lots being drawn for the Battle City Finals, Kaiba makes an off-color comment regarding Marik's hairstyle, setting the latter into a spiraling rage, thereby awakening the dormant Yami Marik without the need for Odion's loss of consciousness. This occurrence disrupts the space-time continuom, thereby causing the lots for the Battle City Finals to be drastically different. The new pairings are as followed:

Quarter-Finals
(A) Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler

(B) Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar

(C) Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik

(D) Yami Yugi vs. Odion


Semi-Finals
(1) Winner of (A) vs. Winner of (B)

(2) Winner of (C) vs. Winner of (D)


Finals
Winner of (1) vs. Winner of (2)


Restrictions

- Marik's Millenium Rod will not 'betray' him with Kaiba, but Ishizu can still see into the future
- Semi-OOC (Ishizu will duel Yugi bloodlusted, Marik will not screw around just to torture if it could cost him the match)


Who ends up as the final champion in the end?
Edited by Vance, May 9 2018, 05:00 AM.
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Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler
My gut says Joey lucks his way into winning, but it's also telling me he'd fall into Bakura's trap way quicker than Yugi did and lose. Joey's only real shot of winning is Jinzo. I'm going with Bakura, though.

Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar
Mai doesn't stand a chance against someone who makes Pegasus look like an amateur in the cheating department.

Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik
Kaiba can't stop Ra when Marik is abusing it, and since Marik won't f*** around if he's going to lose (which he will against someone as powerful as Seto), this is a lock for Marik.

Yami Yugi vs. Odion Ishtar
Yugi wins. He won't fall for Odion's s*** like Joey did, and he's got Slifer, making Odion's trap monsters moot.

--Semi-Finals--

Yami Bakura vs. Ishizu Ishtar
Ishizu's hax wins it for her, unfortunately.

Yami Marik vs. Yami Yugi
Marik wins just like he would have in the tournament if it wasn't for PIS. And he has Obelisk now due to the tournament rules.

--Finals--

Ishizu Ishtar vs. Yami Marik
Ishizu puts up a good fight with her Millennium Necklace, but even she can't fend off twothree Egyptian Gods (after winning Slifer from Yugi).
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May 9 2018, 04:58 AM
Quarter-Finals
(A) Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler

(B) Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar

(C) Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik

(D) Yami Yugi vs. Odion


Semi-Finals
(1) Winner of (A) vs. Winner of (B)

(2) Winner of (C) vs. Winner of (D)


Finals
Winner of (1) vs. Winner of (2)


Restrictions

- Marik's Millenium Rod will not 'betray' him with Kaiba, but Ishizu can still see into the future
- Semi-OOC (Ishizu will duel Yugi bloodlusted, Marik will not screw around just to torture if it could cost him the match)


Who ends up as the final champion in the end?
Bakura vs Joey; I'm definitely giving it to Bakura. He was the second most skilled duelist imo.

Mai vs Ishizu; I really don't see any possible way for Mai to win. I'm giving this to Ishizu.

Kaiba vs Marik; Kaiba would win this one.

Yugi vs Odion; Yugi is winning this one as well.

Semi-Finals

Bakura vs Ishizu; giving this one to Bakura as well.

Kaiba vs Yugi; same outcome with Yugi as victor.

Finals

Bakura vs Yugi; Yugi would wreck because at this point he would have all three of the Egyptian god cards, assuming he gets two from Kaiba. Even still, Bakura can't win without one. Yugi still wins the tournament.
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May 9 2018, 04:43 PM
Vance
May 9 2018, 04:58 AM
Quarter-Finals
(A) Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler

(B) Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar

(C) Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik

(D) Yami Yugi vs. Odion


Semi-Finals
(1) Winner of (A) vs. Winner of (B)

(2) Winner of (C) vs. Winner of (D)


Finals
Winner of (1) vs. Winner of (2)


Restrictions

- Marik's Millenium Rod will not 'betray' him with Kaiba, but Ishizu can still see into the future
- Semi-OOC (Ishizu will duel Yugi bloodlusted, Marik will not screw around just to torture if it could cost him the match)


Who ends up as the final champion in the end?
Bakura vs Joey; I'm definitely giving it to Bakura. He was the second most skilled duelist imo.

Mai vs Ishizu; I really don't see any possible way for Mai to win. I'm giving this to Ishizu.

Kaiba vs Marik; Kaiba would win this one.

Yugi vs Odion; Yugi is winning this one as well.

Semi-Finals

Bakura vs Ishizu; giving this one to Bakura as well.

Kaiba vs Yugi; same outcome with Yugi as victor.

Finals

Bakura vs Yugi; Yugi would wreck because at this point he would have all three of the Egyptian god cards, assuming he gets two from Kaiba. Even still, Bakura can't win without one. Yugi still wins the tournament.
How does Kaiba beat Marik? Marik was toying with Yugi who had two Egyptian Gods and would have won easily if he wanted to. Kaiba himself said he would need Slifer and Obelisk to stand a chance, otherwise he had a 13% chance of winning with just Obelisk.
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May 9 2018, 08:52 PM
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May 9 2018, 04:43 PM
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May 9 2018, 04:58 AM
Quarter-Finals
(A) Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler

(B) Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar

(C) Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik

(D) Yami Yugi vs. Odion


Semi-Finals
(1) Winner of (A) vs. Winner of (B)

(2) Winner of (C) vs. Winner of (D)


Finals
Winner of (1) vs. Winner of (2)


Restrictions

- Marik's Millenium Rod will not 'betray' him with Kaiba, but Ishizu can still see into the future
- Semi-OOC (Ishizu will duel Yugi bloodlusted, Marik will not screw around just to torture if it could cost him the match)


Who ends up as the final champion in the end?
Bakura vs Joey; I'm definitely giving it to Bakura. He was the second most skilled duelist imo.

Mai vs Ishizu; I really don't see any possible way for Mai to win. I'm giving this to Ishizu.

Kaiba vs Marik; Kaiba would win this one.

Yugi vs Odion; Yugi is winning this one as well.

Semi-Finals

Bakura vs Ishizu; giving this one to Bakura as well.

Kaiba vs Yugi; same outcome with Yugi as victor.

Finals

Bakura vs Yugi; Yugi would wreck because at this point he would have all three of the Egyptian god cards, assuming he gets two from Kaiba. Even still, Bakura can't win without one. Yugi still wins the tournament.
How does Kaiba beat Marik? Marik was toying with Yugi who had two Egyptian Gods and would have won easily if he wanted to. Kaiba himself said he would need Slifer and Obelisk to stand a chance, otherwise he had a 13% chance of winning with just Obelisk.
How was Marik toying with Yugi? I don't recall.
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May 9 2018, 08:54 PM
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May 9 2018, 08:52 PM
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May 9 2018, 04:43 PM
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May 9 2018, 04:58 AM
Quarter-Finals
(A) Yami Bakura vs. Joey Wheeler

(B) Mai Valentine vs. Ishizu Ishtar

(C) Seto Kaiba vs. Yami Marik

(D) Yami Yugi vs. Odion


Semi-Finals
(1) Winner of (A) vs. Winner of (B)

(2) Winner of (C) vs. Winner of (D)


Finals
Winner of (1) vs. Winner of (2)


Restrictions

- Marik's Millenium Rod will not 'betray' him with Kaiba, but Ishizu can still see into the future
- Semi-OOC (Ishizu will duel Yugi bloodlusted, Marik will not screw around just to torture if it could cost him the match)


Who ends up as the final champion in the end?
Bakura vs Joey; I'm definitely giving it to Bakura. He was the second most skilled duelist imo.

Mai vs Ishizu; I really don't see any possible way for Mai to win. I'm giving this to Ishizu.

Kaiba vs Marik; Kaiba would win this one.

Yugi vs Odion; Yugi is winning this one as well.

Semi-Finals

Bakura vs Ishizu; giving this one to Bakura as well.

Kaiba vs Yugi; same outcome with Yugi as victor.

Finals

Bakura vs Yugi; Yugi would wreck because at this point he would have all three of the Egyptian god cards, assuming he gets two from Kaiba. Even still, Bakura can't win without one. Yugi still wins the tournament.
How does Kaiba beat Marik? Marik was toying with Yugi who had two Egyptian Gods and would have won easily if he wanted to. Kaiba himself said he would need Slifer and Obelisk to stand a chance, otherwise he had a 13% chance of winning with just Obelisk.
How was Marik toying with Yugi? I don't recall.
He was running their duel from the start. He had answers for everything except Fiend Sanctuary. He knew exactly how to deal with both Egyptian Gods, and he was purposely prolonging the duel to torture Atem with Yugi's suffering.
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Some interesting discourse guys.

Seems everyone's on board with Bakura & Ishizu beating Joey & Mai, respectively. I'd be inclined to agree, especially considering how Bakura's primarily weakness seems to be interference from "divine" forces, be it God cards or his host's struggling against his influence, neither of which Joey seem to have. Likewise, Ishizu's loss to Kaiba was too influenced by outside interference, albeit it's possible that Ishizu could 'foresee' herself losing to Mai, however unlikely that is.


Kaiba vs. Marik is the duel I feel most people would be conflicted on, and rightfully so. It's hard to imagine the Marik who dueled against Joey or Mai being able to beat Seto, as he made far too many costly mistakes which would cost him against someone like Kaiba who specializes in deck destruction + has full knowledge of how dangerous the Winged Dragon of Ra is (even if he doesn't understand the full extent of its powers or abilities). One of the more disappointing parts of the Bakura vs. Marik anime duel is how Bakura needlessly sacrificed Ra, thereby allowing Marik to revive it with Monster Reborn as he'd go on to do numerous times in subsequent duels, when he could simply have kept it in Defense mode for the remainder of the duel. I think Kaiba would find himself able to control the duel from the outset, but I doubt his ability to actually counter Ra once it gets brought out (and it will, unless Kaiba is somehow able to steal Ra + keep it in his hand). I could see him falling for the same predicament Yugi was in, what with Ra being left in the Graveyard but nevertheless capable of clearing the field whenever it's brought out. Fiend Sanctuary complicates things a little, what with Yugi's Defusion being the thing which ended up saving Marik, but without two Egyptian God cards in Kaiba's arsenal, and without the "Heart of the Cards" plot device that Yugi conveniently gets, I think once Ra gets brought out, it's GG for Seto.

Also agree on Yugi beating Odion. As fun as his deck was, it seemed heavily reliant on facing off someone of Joey's pedigree (not that he's an unskilled duelist, but he's far from a long-term thinker). Yugi likely has answers to what Odion has to offer, and can always bring out Slifer if he finds himself unable to outskill Odion.


Hypothetically, what would you guys have as the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th place duelists? Assuming the brackets followed the loser vs. loser format?
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I want Kaiba to win. On paper, he should. His deck is ridiculously strong, particularly with Obelisk in it. Marik has some bulls*** traps, Revival Jam, and The Winged Dragon of Ra, but his strategies rely a lot on the opponent falling for his traps. Plus, he underestimates everyone but Atem, although it's understandable why seeing as he's got such strong cards to rely on. Kaiba's beatdown tactics wouldn't give Marik time to build up a strong offense, and would likely force him to rely on a broken defense (i.e. Revival Jam or Egyptian God Slime) or spamming Ra. However, there's nothing Kaiba can do to stop Marik from summoning Ra from the graveyard except getting lucky with Lullaby of Obedience early on. Can't argue with the computer's opinion on their outcome either, and Kaiba seemed set on gaining Slifer to stand a chance too.

Joey vs. Mai
Hard to say, but I'd hand it to Mai. HFD is too broken.

Kaiba vs. Odion
Kaiba wins with moderate difficulty. Even without Obelisk, his Blue-Eyes strat is good enough. Serket shouldn't be an issue either if Crush Card goes through.

Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.

Mai vs. Kaiba
Oh dear lord, Kaiba stomps the implants out of this poor woman.

Yugi vs. Kaiba
Yugi wins...I guess.

I don't know where Ishizu fits into the losing bracket, unless she just fights Yugi at the end and wins.
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Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.
How though? Bakura completely had Yugi owned.
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Pyrus basically said everything I was going to say. The only disagreement is me thinking Joey could take Mai given how even with an Orichalcos boost she was losing to him in DOMA.
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Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.
How though? Bakura completely had Yugi owned.
True, that Destiny Board strategy was wicked, but would you then consider Bakura to be the superior duelist? He did opt not to use that strategy against Yami Marik, after all, and got trounced.
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Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.
How though? Bakura completely had Yugi owned.
True, that Destiny Board strategy was wicked, but would you then consider Bakura to be the superior duelist? He did opt not to use that strategy against Yami Marik, after all, and got trounced.
Bakura only lost because he didn't know the full extent of Ra's abilities. Pretty cheap that Yami Marik did.

Also, yes I would consider Bakura a superior duelist to Yugi. He's proven it to me.
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May 12 2018, 01:37 AM
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Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.
How though? Bakura completely had Yugi owned.
True, that Destiny Board strategy was wicked, but would you then consider Bakura to be the superior duelist? He did opt not to use that strategy against Yami Marik, after all, and got trounced.
Bakura only lost because he didn't know the full extent of Ra's abilities. Pretty cheap that Yami Marik did.

Also, yes I would consider Bakura a superior duelist to Yugi. He's proven it to me.
He was also throwing away his Life Points like wet toilet paper, so it's not like his inability to use Ra correctly was the only thing going wrong. He would have lost regardless though since Marik knew his strategy from the start.

To you, all the characters are wrong when they say Yugi and Kaiba (and Joey in GX) are the best? That seems a little odd to me.
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May 12 2018, 03:42 AM
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May 11 2018, 02:36 PM
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May 10 2018, 10:32 PM
Bakura vs. Yugi
I'd still give it to Yugi despite not having Slifer to save his bacon.
How though? Bakura completely had Yugi owned.
True, that Destiny Board strategy was wicked, but would you then consider Bakura to be the superior duelist? He did opt not to use that strategy against Yami Marik, after all, and got trounced.
Bakura only lost because he didn't know the full extent of Ra's abilities. Pretty cheap that Yami Marik did.

Also, yes I would consider Bakura a superior duelist to Yugi. He's proven it to me.
He was also throwing away his Life Points like wet toilet paper, so it's not like his inability to use Ra correctly was the only thing going wrong. He would have lost regardless though since Marik knew his strategy from the start.

To you, all the characters are wrong when they say Yugi and Kaiba (and Joey in GX) are the best? That seems a little odd to me.
Why mention a dead guy?
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