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Avengers: Infinity War
Topic Started: Apr 28 2018, 01:39 AM (2,826 Views)
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What i cant understand is why dr strange didnt use his time stone to reverse time when the removal of the gauntlet was futile. Or why he didnt use his advanced attacks ? Maybe he saw to the future and this was the only way or something.

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Steve I recommend you rewatch that Thor and Iron Man fight in avengers 1. Tony was not on an equal level with Thor at all (at 475% power too)


Equal enough for just a guy in a metal suit who couldn't even survive in space, let alone even get close to a star.

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There's more force than heat in Iron Man's repulsor beams. And I don't remember MCU Iron Man ever using his Unibeam.


I'm pretty sure he did when Thor's lightning overcharged his energy.

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I mean some lightning bolts have been measured to be as hot as the surface of the Sun...


Yeah but that was more than the surface of the Sun, the concentrated heat of a star would be way higher.
If he had his lightning power active while that was going on it would have made more sense.

I mean, I'm glad he's all God like now but it just kinda came out of nowhere.


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What i cant understand is why dr strange didnt use his time stone to reverse time when the removal of the gauntlet was futile. Or why he didnt use his advanced attacks ? Maybe he saw to the future and this was the only way or something.


Yeah unless Doctor Strange is playing the long game that was kinda dumb, they almost had the Gauntlet off.
It would have been better if he threw out a line about how they'd tried it thousands of times and failed.
He let Dormmamu kill him tons of times until he gave in and Dormmamu is...wtf is he? A deity?


But yeah it's theorized that the one future he saw where they win involves Tony, which is why he stopped Thanos from killing him.
Maybe he looked so lost because he'd accepted his death.
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Dormammu is a demon.

Basically a deity but essentially a demon. Too bad they didn't make him look like either.
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May 10 2018, 06:32 AM
What i cant understand is why dr strange didnt use his time stone to reverse time when the removal of the gauntlet was futile. Or why he didnt use his advanced attacks ? Maybe he saw to the future and this was the only way or something.
The guy blatantly told Tony after he gave up the timestone that they’re at the endgame and when Tony asked why he did it before he disintegrated, he said that it was the only way. Whatever timeline he saw where they won in the end, it involved the events unfolding exactly like they did

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Equal enough for just a guy in a metal suit who couldn't even survive in space, let alone even get close to a star


That’s why I specifically mentioned the tie in comic showing that he was weakened once he arrived on Earth due to Odin having to use dark matter to send him to Eartj with the absence of the bifrost
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May 10 2018, 02:23 PM
That’s why I specifically mentioned the tie in comic showing that he was weakened once he arrived on Earth due to Odin having to use dark matter to send him to Eartj with the absence of the bifrost
I don't really buy that, even if that's canon he was still about on the same level with Hulk as he is now, not including the lightning stuff.

If that put him down to say 10% strength then he should have been able to utterly destroy Hulk in Ragnarok.
And if it was say 50% then Iron Man still did a pretty bloody good job against someone who can take on the full force of a star.

Thor should have been shown to be this strong from the beginning.

Now that we've moved on to the more crazy and spectacular feats maybe more characters will have their strength represented better.


Hope they take notes from the DCEU, powers are basically the only thing they're doing right.
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The tie-in comics are indeed canon, and he fought hulk after he had time to actually recover. The tie in comic that explains how he got there ends right before Thor shows up in the Avengers movie

Basically it goes

Odin uses dark matter to transfer Thor to Midgard, weakening the. Both > Thor lands in Midgard, weakened, but still immediately goes after Loki > Fights Iron Man > once the dust settles, recovers > fights hulk (and also trying to get him to turn back into Banner)

Either way, I agree, I like the fact that they’re embracing the more spectacular feats (heck, that star feat is probably one of the most impressive clear-cut feats of durability we’ve seen in CBM live action)
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It's definitely one of the most impressive among live action superhero movies considering most movies tend to nerf the crap outta the stronger characters.
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I just saw the movie and honestly I thought it was pretty overrated. It was good but far from amazing. The one thing I had the biggest issue with was

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I prefer many of the other marvel movies. If not for some of the really cool scenes it'd be like a C movie. But with them it's B+
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I think it's fine that the more human level characters had less to do, they realistically could only have went for fodder.

And then you have Cap resisting Thanos' punch which even seemed to surprise big purple himself, what the s*** was that.


But yeah Vision was pathetic. There was that one line about how the blade of the dude that stabbed him stopped him from phasing but it more or less implied that it was in such a way that he couldn't block it.

I feel like a lot of that is Disney pussying out because Visions density thing is certainly pretty brutal if it's against non-robots. Like he was literally ripping them apart, there'd be blood everywhere against a living foe.
Still dumb though.
What does the Mind Stone even do? It's easily the most pathetic one.
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May 11 2018, 06:26 AM
Hulk really didn't come out...?? You kidding me? That was lame.


I think the implication there was that Hulk was afraid of Thanos... Which goes to show how little they care about Hulk, who has never feared anything or anyone as long as he remained as the savage and one and only Incredible Hulk. 'Incredible' is something he lacks in the MCU, being by far the most underwhelming Hulk I've ever seen.

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May 11 2018, 07:06 AM
And then you have Cap resisting Thanos' punch which even seemed to surprise big purple himself, what the s*** was that.


Plot armor is a b***, though Thanos didn't have to deal with that bull in the Infinity Gauntlet comic.

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I feel like a lot of that is Disney pussying out because Visions density thing is certainly pretty brutal if it's against non-robots. Like he was literally ripping them apart, there'd be blood everywhere against a living foe.

Still dumb though.


Tbh I have my doubts the guys on top of the MCU have even read a Vision comic. It seems they've just read stuff about him online, but not read how he behaves, fights or communicates.

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I do enjoy MCU Vision sometimes but they've gone through some of his arcs really quickly, like his romance with Wanda. They've also made him a lot more boring and less fun to watch, especially with how he mostly just shoots lasers and stuff.

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What does the Mind Stone even do? It's easily the most pathetic one.


The Mind Gem in the comics gives the user near-limitless psionic/psychic abilities including empathy, telepathy and telekinesis. In the MCU they obviously nerfed it because,,, reasons. Like I've said in the past the main reason why I don't like these movies is because of all the impractical and pointless liberties and changes that they make.
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The Infinity Gauntlet storyline was way better in the comics.

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Ha, nice.

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Can we just pretend that this was Thor debut? Cause this the closet the MCU have gotten a character power correct and Thor was a God in this movie.
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I'm sure it was something to do with Universal but Hulk not coming out I still approve of, he's almost a stupid ape in this verse but he knows he could do nothing to Thanos, does a long way to saying how powerful Thanos is.

I do hope Hulk gets an upgrade soon though, the whole "getting stronger" aspect of Hulk hasn't shown up in the MCU...like at all. Maybe against Abomination but seemed more like adrenaline rather than a genuine strength increase.


Also, decent explanation for Spider-Man's elongated death scene, could be that his Spider Senses knew he was dying faster than the other characters.
He did sense the ship at the start from like a mile away so it's not like he doesn't have Spider Sense.
I'll take it, Spider Sense is pretty broken at times as it is.
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Hulk's not getting stronger anytime soon, considering the transformation doesn't work through emotions anymore... But by controling his heartbeat... Which is LAME.

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May 12 2018, 09:39 AM
I'll take it, Spider Sense is pretty broken at times as it is.


I'd agree but I know you don't realize a good chunk of the people he's fought have bypassed it pretty easily. :|

Going back to my inner thoughts on the movie since it'll take me a time to watch it in english, I was a bit disappointed in Thanos.

The whole balance thing isn't new, btw, for those of who you haven't had the pleasure to read the Infinity Gauntlet comic or any of its prequels (it starts lessening in quality from Infinity War onwards).

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But his love for Death not being a thing just made him look rather generic as another 'it's for the good of the universe's balance' kind of villain. A well done generic villain but that's not what Thanos was at his peak.

They try to make him a little more sympathetic which... doesn't really work for a guy with the title of Mad Titan. His plan was sort of flawed in the comic as well, but he was far more insane there.

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He had none of that crazy here, and it saddens me because we never get any great expressions or lines. He takes off his armor at the very beginning... Which is really really dumb, considering it's a friggin' armor and it helps. Or did they forget the armor has its own defensive properties? Whatever...

Also, what happened to his black eyes from GotG? They turned white here...

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