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Should governments/healthcare be allowed to kill people/cease care?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2018, 11:45 AM (212 Views)
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Inspired by the current story surrounding Alfie Evans, info here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4312535/alfie-evans-parents-tom-evans-katie-james-alder-hey-hospital/

I know that's The Sun but this isn't an argument over what facts are exact or not, just posting that for a general bit of background.

Basically all evidence points to Alfie's brain practically rotting away, unless a miracle happens he is most certainly going to die.
Courts have ruled that he be taken off life support and naturally his parents have been fighting this the whole time.


Do you think that in a case like this a government or healthcare system should have the right to cease medical care so that someone dies, without their or their relatives express permission?
Or should they keep anyone like this on life support until they die naturally(or unnaturally I guess)?
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It's no place for the government at all. Completely sick, and I feel for the parents. Regardless of the chance for survival, when you have options, and can take those options, you need to do so as a parent. If your government decides to block that, such as in this case or with Charlie Gard, that's just evil.
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It's no place for the government at all. Completely sick, and I feel for the parents. Regardless of the chance for survival, when you have options, and can take those options, you need to do so as a parent. If your government decides to block that, such as in this case or with Charlie Gard, that's just evil.
Maybe but if they're definitely going to die what difference does the extra time make really?

In a case like this it only seems like the child could be suffering, is prolonging that not selfish really? It's only for the parents and nobody else, it doesn't benefit the child in any way.

Obviously this would largely be on a case by case basis but when all evidence points to the person dying soon, possibly horribly, is it really "evil" to pull the plug and perhaps peacefully euthanize them?
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If there's even a 1% shot the operation would be successful, the parents as the rightful caretakers should be allowed to pursue that. That's how I view it. I don't think the state should be able to disregard the parents of a child. Help was offered, and then forbidden by the government, taking the boy's perhaps 1% chance and knocking it down to zero, all for no reason.

If that isn't evil, I don't know what is.
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We don't have unlimited beds and the hospital staff could spend more of their time helping those with more chance to recover.

That being said, the government has issued a travel ban for the parents so they can't move to Italy? That's not right. If another country is happy to care for him then let them go. They aren't losing out on anything.


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Yeah I don't agree with that, if other countries are willing to take them on then that should be allowed, assuming those countries would also transport Alfie.


The reality is there is no operation that could save him, his brain is basically rotting away at this point and as said in the article there only 16 or so people in the entire world have ever been known to have this condition, any treatment they could envision would be massively experimental at best.

The parents need to let go here in my opinion but that aside I think it should be okay for governments to cease medical treatment when there's no realistic hope of the person coming back.
You can keep a braindead person on life support forever but ultimately they'd still just be a corpse with some functioning organs, that's not a life.
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