Carnage Kabuto VS Meruem

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Carnage Kabuto VS Meruem
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 18 2018, 07:15 AM (371 Views)
Darker	Apr 18 2018, 07:15 AM Post #1
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Round 1: Carnage starts off in base. Round 2: Carnage starts off in Carnage Mode.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Topographic Oceans	Apr 18 2018, 01:50 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	Given the way an untransformed Kabuto handled Genos' strongest attack, I doubt there's much Meruem can do in either round. Maybe if he makes good use of his abilities and comes up with a long-winded Hunter x Hunter-style strategy he can manage something on the first round, but I doubt it. I'd say Meruem loses both rounds.
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+ Steve	Apr 18 2018, 08:46 PM Post #3
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Does Meruem get his power up though? I'd say he wins both rounds if he does. Base Meruem could still win at least the first round though he's likely faster and a good bit more durable I reckon. Netero's 99 Hands(Or 98? Can't remember) made a huge crater in the ground and knocked him in to that ruin and he wasn't even damaged. And after thousands upon thousands of hits he only slightly felt a dull pain. And then there's no telling how strong the Zero Hand was but it barely did anything either. To top that off Meruem barely did anything with Nen, he wasn't even trying to kill Netero. His full attack power is completely unknown and his potential is crazy really, he never once tried anything like Ko and his aptitude would obviously allow him to work s* like that out fast. 12:20ish Ko creates a massive increase in damage power by focusing Nen in to one point. Couldn't find the 2011 clip, obviously better quality but the outcome is pretty much the same. And that's a massively holding back Biscuit who would easily be oneshot by Meruem even without Nen. If Meruem was able to figure out Ko through the duration of the fight then Kabuto would be well and truly f*ed. This fight is like a metal wasp vs an elderly man with a fly swatter except that instead of a stinger the wasp has a gun. Beautiful analogy I trust.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Darker	Apr 18 2018, 10:04 PM Post #4
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Steve Apr 18 2018, 08:46 PM Does Meruem get his power up though? Power up? I was told Meruem's appearance was brief, so I didn't consider adding anything for him.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Wolf	Apr 18 2018, 10:05 PM Post #5
Shadow Realm > Posts: 5,538 Group: Street Fighter Member #6,410 Joined: June 27, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country South Africa Favourite Anime Berserk What Browser do you use? 18+ Favourite Manga Berserk	Karnage wins imo Edited by Wolf, Apr 18 2018, 10:05 PM.
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PocketGod	Apr 18 2018, 10:58 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,668 Group: Member Member #12,574 Joined: August 22, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Yowamushi Pedal What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk	Darker Apr 18 2018, 10:04 PM Steve Apr 18 2018, 08:46 PM Does Meruem get his power up though? Power up? I was told Meruem's appearance was brief, so I didn't consider adding anything for him. I didn't say it was brief, I said he was only in one Arc. He does get a power up after getting revived but he doesn't fight again after getting said power up.
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Darker	Apr 19 2018, 03:16 PM Post #7
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	PocketGod Apr 18 2018, 10:58 PM Darker Apr 18 2018, 10:04 PM Steve Apr 18 2018, 08:46 PM Does Meruem get his power up though? Power up? I was told Meruem's appearance was brief, so I didn't consider adding anything for him. I didn't say it was brief, I said he was only in one Arc. He does get a power up after getting revived but he doesn't fight again after getting said power up.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


+ Steve	Apr 25 2018, 09:37 PM Post #8
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Darker Apr 18 2018, 10:04 PM Steve Apr 18 2018, 08:46 PM Does Meruem get his power up though? Power up? I was told Meruem's appearance was brief, so I didn't consider adding anything for him. Nah he's in it a lot he just doesn't fight a whole lot but we get a big impression on how powerful he is. As for the power up: Spoiler: click to toggle He gains the power to read emotions/minds, he has a massive sensory range that can discern huge amounts of information at a distance such as footprints and who made them, his strength is obviously increased though we never see how much. He gains the ability to manipulate his body which he uses to grow wings, he also only takes a few seconds to learn how to fly perfectly. Found a vid 1:18 or so is him learning to fly: As well as that he gains a refined form of Youpi's power, which is basically the more anger he stores up he can use to discharge a huge explosion. Meruem gains control of this and can basically fire it like a laser instead. 2:20ish on that video shows it. That power is based on rage and he was clearly calm there so there's no telling how powerful it could get. He becomes an insanely ridiculous character, like Batman with infinite prep level almost(as far as the internet is concerned) He should definitely take it at full power. Carnage Kabuto lacks the energy abilities and doesn't have the agility.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Darker	Apr 27 2018, 06:42 PM Post #9
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Not sure about his power up but he doesn't look like much here. https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/4w83ht/respect_meruem_hunter_x_hunter/ He could maybe give Kabuto in base a good fight. But it's still a big, BIG maybe. Edited by Darker, Apr 27 2018, 06:44 PM.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


+ Steve	Apr 27 2018, 10:49 PM Post #10
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	But see, Genos isn't really all that. That attack would do nothing to Meruem, he actually survived a nuke(though, a small one) he was pretty much dead but it didn't finish him off, the only reason he died was the crazy poison within it. After this attack base Meruem is barely damaged: This is all it does to him: Spoiler: click to toggle You can barely call that an injury really. The most damage anyone ever does to the guy...is when he himself rips his own arm off. Aside from the bomb, which again, is a nuke. That respect thread is pretty crap, it doesn't really go in to the context of how strong these characters are, or Nen. 99th Hand happens early on and the actual fighting starts around 3:30: Some bits of that are cut out but you can see how fast they're fighting. And bear in mind that the context of that fight is, Meruem is to get Netero to give up without killing him. And that the whole fight takes place within at most a few minutes. I don't see what base Carnage Kabuto could do here, he'd have to hit Meruem a crap ton of times before he did any damage and I don't see how he could be faster than that. Even if he was stronger in all categories he's nowhere near as intelligent as Meruem, this is Meruem's first proper and only real fight. He's just better.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Darker	Apr 28 2018, 07:31 PM Post #11
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Meruem's smart? I don't see that in his RT and you haven't brought up his intelligence either. At least Carnage has been stated to be incredibly smart. Also, as for Genos' attack... Earlier in that episode he did this. He blasted through a mountain and did the same with another in the background. Same in the manga. A reminder of what Kabuto did to Genos' final attack: Same in the manga. Meruem appears to have been attacked with similarly powerful attacks, though honestly Genos' beams seem fairly more impressive. Difference being that Meruem took some damage, while Kabuto found Genos' attacks to be so laughably weak that he repelled one of them with his breath. I'm pretty sure someone with enough force to blow back an attack that can shave the top of a mountain so easily should have enough muscle strength to beat Meruem. I mean, Dr. Genus had studied the S-Class heroes while creating Kabuto, and he's presumably stronger than most of them, which includes Tank Top Master, who was recently revealed, according to Garou, to be just as strong as Genos. But let's say Meruem is stronger than Kabuto in base... He's still got Carnage Mode, which makes him exponentially stronger. It might've been the anger and insanity talking, but he felt confident enough to take on Saitama who he knew was vastly stronger than his base form (another asset of his being that he can sense energy).
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Topographic Oceans	Apr 28 2018, 07:53 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	Meruem is an incredibly fast learner and is adept at identifying his opponent's patterns, strategies, rhythm, weaknesses, etc. That's how he manages to break through Netero's defense (Netero is the strongest and most skilled human character in the series). This is foreshadowed when we see Meruem quickly becoming a world-class expert on various games shortly after learning their rules. So yeah, he's definitely smart, or at least incredibly adaptable, which is useful in combat. Not that this changes anything. I still think he loses both rounds, with a small chance of winning the first one if he reads Kabuto's "patterns" well enough and devises a proper strategy. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Apr 29 2018, 02:45 AM.
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+ Steve	Apr 29 2018, 10:20 AM Post #13
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Yeah Meruem is incredibly intelligent, for some reason I thought that was known...no idea why it isn't explained in the RT it's like one of his best features... Meruem masters every single board game worth mentioning, after taking a couple of minutes to read each rulebook. To the point where first time he can beat World Champions. And beyond that, Netero's ability has 100 different set moves, it's more like 98 in this case since 0 and 99 are massive power moves he only uses once. So basically Netero has 98 set moves that he can use in any combination, which might as well be infinite. Meruem has the intelligence to, while fighting, figure out a way through all those attacks in all those many combinations. The anime makes Genos' attack there look pretty s* but I still maintain that base Meruem could beat base Kabuto. He's too fast and like I said, Kabuto lacks the energy attacks he would need to kill Meruem. Also kinda hard to tell if those attacks are of the same level of power anyway, it did nothing to Genos and Saitama when reflected back. Wouldn't be unreasonable to say he was weakened after being fed up. Genos' attack power is pretty damn inconsistent at the best of times, he does nothing to that meteor. Yeah I never really looked at the manga and it just makes Kabuto's speed even less impressive really, the room they're in is tiny in the manga so when he runs away from Saitama at the beginning it's like...maybe 20 feet? Meruem is the pinnacle of the Chimera Ant species and he's stronger than all the Royal Guards. Here's Pitou jumping at least a couple of miles in no more than a few seconds. Without a doubt Meruem wins on speed. Also this is the most Kabuto does in the manga: Spoiler: click to toggle So yeah his physical strength isn't all that either, the anime bigs him up a huge amount, Meruem would survive that fine. There's absolutely no reason to believe Kabuto was holding back there and that's all the area damage his punch did. Also he hits Genos hard enough to knock him out but still barely damages the wall. Meanwhile Meruem takes this hit: Spoiler: click to toggle You can see how much deeper the crater is there, especially considering the distance we are away from it. That was basically just a free hit from Netero because literally all he has is that he can move his arms faster than Meruem and this he can attack faster, being the first move Netero makes Meruem isn't prepared. Meruem then blocks this effortlessly: Spoiler: click to toggle He goes on to be hit by these same types of attacks and seemingly more powerful ones thousands* of times and is only just starting to feel pain. For reference this is what the 99th Hand does in the manga, again much more than Kabuto ever achieved and still no real damage to Meruem, it basically just made him a bit dirty. In game terms if he had 100,000,000 health it did 10000 damage at best. Spoiler: click to toggle What can Kabuto even do here? This is again, base Meruem. He gets much more powerful and has access to more abilities and body modifications later, flight as I showed. Youpi could basically morph his body however he wanted, he could grow eyes all over his body to have full 360 degree vision, grow more limbs etc etc, Meruem gains his ability to do that. Not that he'd need to. And since when could Kabuto sense energy? It was his instincts telling him Saitama was stronger than him. If he could sense actual energy he'd have mentioned it the same way Boros did, who said there's no limit to Saitama's energy. Kabuto would probably have given up, given that he chickened out with that first attack, knowing he'd die. If he could even slightly comprehend Saitama's energy he'd have known Karnage Mode wasn't enough. Edited by Steve, Apr 29 2018, 10:23 AM.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


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