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Why doesn't God destroy Satan?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2018, 10:33 PM (1,169 Views)
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What about the part regarding Satan?

And do consider that this is differentiating takes on Christianity, don't be fooled by the fact that all share a few basic tenants, they vary an extreme amount, some being near unrecognizable and irreconcilable in values and beliefs.
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Even assuming they exist, here's an interesting read:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/gods-12-biggest-dick-moves-in-the-old-testament-1522970429
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21

Makes me wonder who's more evil.
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If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
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Apr 14 2018, 04:20 PM
If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
Then why is it our place to contemplate anything he supposedly does or thinks? Isn't assuming anything about God's will at all essentially judging how he goes about doing things in the first place?
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This question of why there's evil seems like a silly question. There's evil because when you have free thought, you have the ability to make choices that aren't beneficial for others or even yourself. Am I missing something here or...?
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Apr 14 2018, 02:07 PM
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Apr 14 2018, 12:19 PM
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God is supposedly all powerful but, the angels main focus is to praise him really. They help fight the “war on heaven” and aid people since that’s beneath God or something.
Since when was there a war on heaven? This isn't the Norse Gods we are talking about.
The War on Heaven is continuous and has been going on sinc e Hell was started. It’s not literally things fighting but, it’s a thing.

God gave us the power to think and make our own decisions, that’s free will. Nowhere on the Bible does it say the Seprent was Satan either. The Serpent is it’s own entity that was in the Garden of Eden. Also, God wipes out two towns and flooded the earth, among other ridiculous things. He is the creator of all things, it’s not that he can’t do it. They aren’t brothers either, he created all the angels, Lucifer being the most beautiful one to stand at his side and sing his praise. That’s why his wings were made of jewels, so he could reflect the light onto heaven. God didn’t make evil, he created life. Evil was created when Adam and Eve learned of it. The Garden was just the norm, they knew nothing else. Once they were kicked out is when the garden was viewed as a paradise. That’s where balance comes into play. The earth became a bad place while Eden remained good. From there is when Heaven and Hell were formed to what they are today.

Satan was created to be perfect but, that doesn’t mean invincible. God is supposed to take Lucifer, Hell, and all the demons and throw them into the lake of fire after the second coming. God is capable of doing so now but, then the humans don’t need to worry about what’ll happen to them if they sin.

View it as the Yin and Yang sign. It’s the perfect symbol for life. There’s good in the bad and bad in the good but, they create a balance that is life.

Edit: I’m not religious
Isn't that where Abaddon, the main general of Hell's armies or something, comes from?

iirc, once Hell is released into our world, he will lead an army of a thousand demons and slay us all, or something akin to that.
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Apr 14 2018, 10:05 AM
Lucifer was an angel for one, along with all the other actual demons, not just spirits of hell. He’s not going to destroy something he created to be closest to him. Also, Angels were created to do Gods bidding, humans had free will.

Also, you can’t destroy him. He’s the balance in the universe with God. To have good, you must have evil. Otherwise it’s normal. There’s balance to all things in the universe, nothing is outside of that.
Where I'm the Bible does it say angels don't have free will? If that was the case how did some angels, led by Lucifer, rebel against God? The Holy Angels (the ones who did not rebel) have free will and choose not to sin.
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
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If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
Then why is it our place to contemplate anything he supposedly does or thinks? Isn't assuming anything about God's will at all essentially judging how he goes about doing things in the first place?
That's more general. Here, we're basically asking why God doesn't rid the world of evil. We sometimes question why so much evil in the world is allowed but obviously God, who knows better than us, has a plan where evil is necessary. So what I mean is that I think we shouldn't say it's wrong that God doesn't just completely get rid of the devil or all evil or whatever
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If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
Then why is it our place to contemplate anything he supposedly does or thinks? Isn't assuming anything about God's will at all essentially judging how he goes about doing things in the first place?
That's more general. Here, we're basically asking why God doesn't rid the world of evil. We sometimes question why so much evil in the world is allowed but obviously God, who knows better than us, has a plan where evil is necessary. So what I mean is that I think we shouldn't say it's wrong that God doesn't just completely get rid of the devil or all evil or whatever
But I think it's fair to ask why though right? I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that in order to worship God we must try to seek to understand God's actions rather than mindlessly accepting it.

And in a case like this at the very least you do need a devil's advocate to test your reasoning.


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God and Satan are brothers, no? At least they are depicted as such in several writings. Maybe God doesn't want to be a kinslayer.

Or he needs Satan to rule Hell so he doesn't have to deal with all the bad people.


I might be missing a sect, but as far as I'm aware Hell has never been his kingdom, only his prison. As for brothers, no, Satan is not God's brother, he is at best God's son as an angel, as we all were at some point in time according to most professions. Satan was simply one of the better angels before he turned bad.
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Apr 14 2018, 04:20 PM
If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
Then why is it our place to contemplate anything he supposedly does or thinks? Isn't assuming anything about God's will at all essentially judging how he goes about doing things in the first place?
That's more general. Here, we're basically asking why God doesn't rid the world of evil. We sometimes question why so much evil in the world is allowed but obviously God, who knows better than us, has a plan where evil is necessary. So what I mean is that I think we shouldn't say it's wrong that God doesn't just completely get rid of the devil or all evil or whatever
But I think it's fair to ask why though right? I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that in order to worship God we must try to seek to understand God's actions rather than mindlessly accepting it.

And in a case like this at the very least you do need a devil's advocate to test your reasoning.


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God and Satan are brothers, no? At least they are depicted as such in several writings. Maybe God doesn't want to be a kinslayer.

Or he needs Satan to rule Hell so he doesn't have to deal with all the bad people.


I might be missing a sect, but as far as I'm aware Hell has never been his kingdom, only his prison. As for brothers, no, Satan is not God's brother, he is at best God's son as an angel, as we all were at some point in time according to most professions. Satan was simply one of the better angels before he turned bad.
To be precise, Satan or Lucifer was God's numero uno.
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Apr 14 2018, 04:20 PM
If you ask me of course God has the power to destroy satan but whether or not he should do it is not up to us. It's not really our place to judge how he goes about doing things
Then why is it our place to contemplate anything he supposedly does or thinks? Isn't assuming anything about God's will at all essentially judging how he goes about doing things in the first place?
That's more general. Here, we're basically asking why God doesn't rid the world of evil. We sometimes question why so much evil in the world is allowed but obviously God, who knows better than us, has a plan where evil is necessary. So what I mean is that I think we shouldn't say it's wrong that God doesn't just completely get rid of the devil or all evil or whatever
But I think it's fair to ask why though right? I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that in order to worship God we must try to seek to understand God's actions rather than mindlessly accepting it.

And in a case like this at the very least you do need a devil's advocate to test your reasoning.


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God and Satan are brothers, no? At least they are depicted as such in several writings. Maybe God doesn't want to be a kinslayer.

Or he needs Satan to rule Hell so he doesn't have to deal with all the bad people.


I might be missing a sect, but as far as I'm aware Hell has never been his kingdom, only his prison. As for brothers, no, Satan is not God's brother, he is at best God's son as an angel, as we all were at some point in time according to most professions. Satan was simply one of the better angels before he turned bad.
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God didn't give us free will, it gave us freedom of thought with literally no understanding of what any of it is or that disobedience is even a bad thing.

Satan encouraged us to eat from the tree of knowledge, and then we had free will.
No, if that were the case then they wouldn't have eaten from the tree, because God didn't want them to. Right there they were faced with temptation and the struggle of wether to eat the fruit or not. Their free will led them to choose to eat the fruit, despite God's wishes.
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
"God is the creator of life. He is life. In Him no death or darkness exists."
They are pretty much arguing, God can only create life and not take it away.
Hence why I gave a list of examples of God killing people. God can kill just fine.
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I did find a reason on this site. Pretty much it's because Satan cannot die, and was created as the perfect being.
God has killed plenty of people
...I never said God has never personally killed people, that was never my point.
"God is the creator of life. He is life. In Him no death or darkness exists."
They are pretty much arguing, God can only create life and not take it away.
Hence why I gave a list of examples of God killing people. God can kill just fine.
I think it's more than obvious that God is more than capable of killing people, considering Noah's Arc is one of the most famous biblical tales, and God pretty much kills everyone besides Noah, his family, and a bunch of animals. What they're trying to imply (which isn't really implying, more like outright repeating) is what's pretty much always said about God, that God is an almighty perfect being, who is the source of all light, and all goodness, etc.

And besides the point, it's not really the topic of conversation of the thread.
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