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What is the worst atrocity in human history?
Topic Started: Apr 5 2018, 11:44 PM (380 Views)
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This is kind of sombre and morbid and all that but what do you consider to be the worst atrocity in human history?

The transatlantic slave trade?
The Nazi genocides/human experimentation?
The Armenian genocide?
The destruction of the Aztec?
Stalin's genocide?
Dropping nuclear bombs on Japan?
The allies fire bombing Dresden, Germany?
Mao Zedong starving millions of his own people to death?
The British getting China hooked on opium in the 19th century?

Of course these are all horrendous but I'm curious if you think any of them stand out above the rest as particularly abhorrent?

Personally I find it difficult to pick between what the Nazis did, what Stalin did and what Mao Zedong did. I mean all the others were disgusting but these three killed millions, often brutally. It's kind of hard to choose between being gassed and expermented on, tortured, shot and never seen again and starved to death by your own government's ineptitude.


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Apr 5 2018, 11:44 PM
This is kind of sombre and morbid and all that but what do you consider to be the worst atrocity in human history?

The transatlantic slave trade?
The Nazi genocides/human experimentation?
The Armenian genocide?
The destruction of the Aztec?
Stalin's genocide?
Dropping nuclear bombs on Japan?
The allies fire bombing Dresden, Germany?
Mao Zedong starving millions of his own people to death?
The British getting China hooked on opium in the 19th century?

Of course these are all horrendous but I'm curious if you think any of them stand out above the rest as particularly abhorrent?

Personally I find it difficult to pick between what the Nazis did, what Stalin did and what Mao Zedong did. I mean all the others were disgusting but these three killed millions, often brutally. It's kind of hard to choose between being gassed and expermented on, tortured, shot and never seen again and starved to death by your own government's ineptitude.
Just note that without those human experiments todays medical knowledge would be less advanced

So that had an " advantage "

Apart from that i think the ww2 was the most pointless thing ever l. Millions of ppl have died for nothing

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Probably the atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This could've been avoided if Truman had just waited a f***ing day.
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Honestly, if we hadn't drop the bombs...somebody else would have. Whether it was Germany, Russia, Japan, whoever, eventually, somebody would have dropped those bombs. It sucks to lose so many lives but by dropping the bombs early, the establishment of how dangerous and powerful nuclear weapons were made to the masses. This then later helped us out in the Cold War, because with the intimidation of nuclear weapons, we were far less likely to opt for conventional warfare.

It sucks to lose the lives in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but because of these two bombings, the world truly got a taste of what these weapons could do and start taking proper actions.

Probably the worst atrocity, at least in modern history, is the genocide of the Jewish people+others in World War II. However,it's not just because millions died, but its also the fact of how far even a strong country can fall and how people can act in desperation. You have to remember that World War II was not that long a go. It's still a part of history that was still relatively new.

Germany was not some 3rd world, backwater country. It was a strong, 1st world country, updated on technology. Yet this country was also facing massively difficult times economically and socially. The United States own Depression had a very severe effect on Germany, hurting that country even more. You had a country that was desperate for any way to save itself and that desperation then gave birth to a very horrible ideology.

And people just let it pass.

Yes, the Camps, rounding up of the Jewish people, etc. These were not new to the people of Germany. People may not have known just how serious things were getting,but they definitely knew what was going on. This is why it's always been asked. How could a country like Germany, fall to such barbaric actions? How could one of Europe's most developed country, turn into a warmongering, hate filled, genocide opting country?

It was a sort of wake up call for the world. It showed that atrocities didn't have to be caused by lesser country with outdated ideologies.It could happen even to a strong,first world country. It showed the world that when you're pushed to the brink, even a developed country like Germany is willing to take any steps.
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Yeah Hiroshima and Nagasaki for me.

Not so much the act itself and what was destroyed but the precedent it set for the whole world. Everything changed, it wasn't a brilliant victory, it was disgusting.
The creation of atomic weapons in general, more or less.

And those were weak f***ers, if a nuke is launched today some serious s*** will go down. And it probably won't just be one...
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If it weren't used as it were, someone would probably have considered it a conventional weapon, I certainly know even despite Hiroshima and Nagasaki, people were still thinking about using nuclear weapons to cut North Korea off from China, which almost certainly would have eventually led to nuclear war and the end of humanity. I will say it's terrible, but just comparing it to events n the same country (such as the century of broken promises and gradual expansion and destruction more than a few civilizations because of 'manifest destiny.') it's hardly the worst thing America has ever done.

Hell I'd argue most of what we did since world war 2 was far worse, such as funding revolutions, coups, all to support monetary gain, rather than letting the countries of Latin America control themselves is pretty awful as we basically make sure the people have very little say in their own government and creating more than a few enemies we have now (ISIS and Iran say hi). Hell it's partly why I'm hoping Brazil becomes a great power akin to how Russia, China, and America is, if through with 'soft power' (mostly because if it were more hard power a la America and China, the United States would almost certainly invade). The two uses of Nuclear Weapons was awful, but hardly the worst thing we've done in our history. The United States is hardly worthy of having a halo of having the worst thing we ever did was poisoning the ground and people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki for years to come.

On the things during the war there's even more we can point to. Like the Holocaust, which is easily one of the worst things we've done as a civilization, the way we ignored it, the way the Nazi Regime did it. I wouldn't say it's hard to say that this has left a permanent mark on many different communities.

To be honest it's kind of shocking to me that someone would think the use of two nuclear weapons amounts to even close as something like the holocaust. The only real things I can imagine being as awful is what Mao did with his permanent revolution & hundred flowers campaign, and Holodomor of simlar depravity and awful marks on humanity.
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In terms of brutality, nukes in general and concentration camps for me.
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Apr 6 2018, 02:20 PM
To be honest it's kind of shocking to me that someone would think the use of two nuclear weapons amounts to even close as something like the holocaust. The only real things I can imagine being as awful is what Mao did with his permanent revolution & hundred flowers campaign, and Holodomor of simlar depravity and awful marks on humanity.
Because of what it meant for the rest of the world.

The Holocaust was certainly terrible but in a way, nothing new. We've always been capable of that kind of horror but killing thousands of people at the touch of a button, callously wiping them out, that to me is very different and if it ever becomes normal we are truly f***ed as a species.
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Apr 6 2018, 02:20 PM
To be honest it's kind of shocking to me that someone would think the use of two nuclear weapons amounts to even close as something like the holocaust. The only real things I can imagine being as awful is what Mao did with his permanent revolution & hundred flowers campaign, and Holodomor of simlar depravity and awful marks on humanity.
Because of what it meant for the rest of the world.

The Holocaust was certainly terrible but in a way, nothing new. We've always been capable of that kind of horror but killing thousands of people at the touch of a button, callously wiping them out, that to me is very different and if it ever becomes normal we are truly f***ed as a species.
I think it's fair to say Nuclear weapons have to be terrible for a reason. I'm assuming it's related to

How big the explosion is.
How damaging it is to people after the weapon detonates (ie giving people cancer).
And what it does to the land (making it uninhabitable)

Is it fair to say that or am I missing something when you say it's terrible in a new way?
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