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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Mar 31 2018, 10:20 PM Post #1 |
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Gogeta and Vegetto (both formed at End of ToP, same fusion boosts as Z/M12) get the following boosts: Mastered UI + SSJB ''E'' boost + SSJ4(+ Surpassed Limits) boost (same one that Goku got) + Golden (same one that Freeza got) + Mystic (same one that Gohan got in Z) + KK20x + another SSJG ritual boost (the one that made Goku an Universal threat when in Base he was weaker than Namek Freeza, lol) + GoD candidate (Toppo's one). Just assume he can get all of these boosts. Then they both potara fuse (same boost as Z) and become God of Destruction candidate Mastered Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4 Blue Evolution Mystic Golden God Gogetto Kaioken 20x (lol). Who's the strongest character that this guy can defeat? No stamina drain, and transformation/fusion time limit for Gogetto. This OP character also has the UI effects. Scenario 2: EoGT Gogetto. |
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| Notaka | Mar 31 2018, 10:27 PM Post #2 |
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Lol I dunno. He could probably take Galactus since maybe some of the DBS guys could probably take him on. But then when you reach a certain level, brute force isn't enough. There's hax, there's literally people who can make him have s*** for brains. He definitely loses against those people. You'd need serious hax to beat someone like that |
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| Tinny | Mar 31 2018, 10:39 PM Post #3 |
 
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EoGT Gogetto is completely unknown, I may as well just write up a fanfiction at that point. As for the other one... Well, I have to ask... What exactly does that fusion boost mean outside of DB? Like, let's say Bakugo and Midoriya from Boku no Hero fuse, and 'get the same fusion boost as from M12/Z' what does that actually mean outside of the context of dragon ball? And the answer is... I don't know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Then you get into Mastered UI, and while at first one argued it makes him better at dodging, it clearly also makes him much faster and stronger as we see at the end. And that boost is... I don't know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We could already debate forever about the ssjg thing (I've stated multiple times that the ssjg ritual doesn't actually lend itself to being "universal power and I've yet to see someone really able to conclusively prove it wrong, albiet we do see Kefla later say she can blow up a universe, so it's safe to say any fusion with ssjg can probably do the same), hell we could argue that anyone from Kid Buu to Namek saga Freeza is universal level and I have seen that argued . But in any case, once again, this lends the question. Outside of DB, what does this mean?I dunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We already see that the God of Destructions Hakai can be outright overpowered, so it's not really relevant to the fight unless they can already win. So this just leaves the physical buff. What does that mean outside of Dragon Ball? I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Same goes with everything sans Kaioken which I think can easily be summed up as 20x what they usually are. So... Everything written so far is complete speculation. Choose your answer, maybe he defeats the literal author and comes into the real world and does exist as our lord and savior. Or maybe he loses to Joku. It's all complete speculation. So... Instead of arguing who can beat SSJG Goku (let's be honest, he's our only basis for any power, and no one has better feats even when you get rid of the universe shockwaves) physically, I'll point this out. Anyone he can't immediately crush and kill within less than likely seconds, if not even less than that will win by default when Kaioken and MUI cause him to explode due to their poor stamina. Remember how long they had, and how long MUI Goku was fighting Jiren. That's pretty trash stamina, long as they can avoid dying for that little amount of time, likely less, they're golden when Goku's gasping on the floor for air. Afterall, really weak namek era laser guns can nearly kill Blue Goku/post SSJG Goku, I have no doubt a Gogetto who can't even move (and assuming they aren't already deforming into their composite parts which are themselves turning into their composite parts). Anyone who can stand up to their assault or somehow dodge or whatever, will win by default simply due to the sheer strain MUI and Kaiokenx20 inflict on their user. With all this in mind Ah wait you already said no stamina drain, so that takes kaioken out, which is probably good, because if not for that I'm pretty sure I'd win just virtue of being there while Gogetto implodes on himself. So instead I'll put forth who I believe is the absolute weakest character than can beat this person.  Ya never said anything about his mental faculties getting a boost. No reason he'd withstand his illusions.  As for the strongest. You did give me all of fiction, so again it's a bit too vague since we'd be here all day comparing character to character and then characters to a speculative Gogetto. As Notaka says, after you get powerful enough, raw power isn't relevant, even assuming we take Goku in the BoG arc at universe level, he's rapidly running up against characters who just plain don't use that at that point. Odin for example would obliterate him, Galactus too, and we aren't even talking about them lifting a finger, they'd just mentally attack him if he's powerful enough to warrant it. The fact that he probably can't beat Mysterio, means he's unlikely to get very far against all fiction ever. Edited by Tinny, Mar 31 2018, 10:45 PM.
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| Topographic Oceans | Mar 31 2018, 11:16 PM Post #4 |
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Honestly, this is impossible to answer. It's already extremely difficult to pit actual, non-hypothetical Dragon Ball characters against characters from other works of fiction since the way ki works in this series and how it relates to factors like physical strenght is never explained. The same can be said about almost every other high-level fictional universe people like to place in hypothetical fights. Each universe follows its own rules and, in something like Dragon Ball, the rules aren't made clear at all (which isn't necessarily a flaw). That's the problem with "Versus" forums in general. It gets even worse with a completely hypothetical nonsense character. (Another thing that annoys me is when people shove wildly different characters in the same category based on their destructive capability, which is common on Versus forums. Both X from DC and Y from Marvel might me "universe-busters", but the methods they use to destroy the universe are likely to completely different, as is the way those methods relate to their strenght) That said... Superman easily defeats EoGT Gogetto. |
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| Notaka | Mar 31 2018, 11:19 PM Post #5 |
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You did this on purpose. Didn't you. |
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| Tinny | Mar 31 2018, 11:22 PM Post #6 |
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WELL THIS THREAD JUST GOT ANOTHER TEN PAGES. But uh, I Guess to expand on this, how exactly does one bring all those bonuses to mean... well anything outside of Dragon Ball? Does anyone have any real idea what going MUI would do to someone who isn't Goku? What that means outside of Dragon Ball? How a Super saiyan Goku is different from a Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, etc. if you don't go by the power levels (and you can't with outside entities like say, Superman). I genuinely can't tell you the difference between the various forms of Freeza in an other versus context where you can't compare power level numbers. No really, in fact I think in pure feats first form might be more powerful than final form Freeza just because he destroyed a planet more quickly as I recall. This has a lot to do with why DB is so bad with other versus despite it's popularity to be honest. Edited by Tinny, Mar 31 2018, 11:24 PM.
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| Topographic Oceans | Mar 31 2018, 11:22 PM Post #7 |
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My belief in Superman is unwavering. |
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| lazerbem | Mar 31 2018, 11:26 PM Post #8 |
 
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Not being able to survive in a vacuum stings hard. |
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| + Solid Snake | Apr 1 2018, 01:18 AM Post #9 |
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He'd beat a lot of fiction barring nigh-omnipotent beings. He's already macroverses level by the time of just getting Super Saiyan God, a fusion of a Gogeto who would be extremely more powerful would null any hax from beings vastly weaker than him. Yellow- Superman, especially Rebirth, gets wrecked by even Cell Games Goku. Edited by Solid Snake, Apr 1 2018, 01:20 AM.
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| Darker | Apr 1 2018, 01:30 AM Post #10 |
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...Why mention Rebirth at all? Seriously why do I even bother when none of you have eyes to read what I say lol |
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| + PocketGoggu | Apr 1 2018, 10:06 PM Post #11 |
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Agreed, but which Superman? Personally, I say Super Friends Superman is more than enough to beat EoGT Gogetto. |
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| Topographic Oceans | Apr 1 2018, 10:11 PM Post #12 |
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Most versions of Superman should have no trouble grabbing Goku (or EoGT Gogetto) and throwing him into space. And yes, that includes the oft-underrated Hanna-Barbera Superman. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Apr 1 2018, 10:12 PM.
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| PF18 | Apr 7 2018, 10:47 PM Post #13 |
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Well if they got the same boost as Vegetto got in Z(which was about 10,000x stronger) after the Tournament of Power, with Mastered UI then I can't imagine anybody can beat them |
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