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JUSTICE LEAGUE IS NOW THE LOWEST-GROSSING MOVIE OF THE DCEU
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Southern Gothic	Apr 5 2018, 04:40 PM Post #31
Dilly Dilly Posts: 1,248 Group: Donator Member #12,015 Joined: January 23, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball GT, Wicked City, Akira Favourite Manga Jaco the Galactic Patrolman	Darker Apr 5 2018, 03:43 PM Southern Gothic Apr 5 2018, 01:34 PM Goddess Ultimecia Apr 5 2018, 04:21 AM Axl Apr 5 2018, 04:16 AM It's 2018, like who the hell even watches superhero movies now? Didn't they like peaked out and died down like a decade plus back? So, this isn't really surprising to me at least. Maybe you just got out of prison or something man buuut. They've only been getting more and more popular. Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Thor Ragnarok. These have all been huge smashes at the box office and that's within the past year alone. Yeah with Black Panther being a money making juggernaut right now, and Infinity War right around the corner, I'd say the peak is yet to come. Maybe after, but it's not slowing down as of yet. But all will bend the knee once Aquaman comes out. Not sure why there are dopey faces there... Because of Aquaman?



superperfectnerd	Apr 5 2018, 06:14 PM Post #32
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Steve Apr 5 2018, 10:10 AM superperfectnerd Apr 5 2018, 01:57 AM I don't think the tone of MoS and BvS was the problem, it was the fact that they simply made the colour palette darker and had some brooding and think that makes it 'deep'. Giving characters motivations that make sense and earning that grittiness would have been fine. Civil War was 'deeper' than BvS with colour as well. Justice League was okay to me but also I felt it was a shame to move away from the tone they'd been trying before because they thought audiences didn't like it when in truth they just weren't doing that tone in a good way. Yeah I think those movies would have been great if the characters were just developed more, stop with the symbolic bulls* and make me like and understand the characters. I think MoS was fine for the most part, it just wasn't well explained that Superman was a total noob. That people complained about all the destruction was just kinda silly really, he had to fight three people as strong as him who were actually trained in combat and his only advantage was that he could fly. I think if the other issues with the film were removed people might not have minded that. And with BvS obviously a s* ton needed to be different. Personally I didn't mind Jesse Eisenberg as Lex but his motivations and whole plan were dumb and not well explained at all. He needed Zod's body for testing but he'd somehow already tested Kryptonite on it...kay? Why would the government let some businessman anywhere near him In any case ideally they should just stop now, if Aquaman is a bust then the DCEU is probably done for. And let's face it, not a whole lot of hope for Aquaman being the one thing that saves it. If the whole movie is going to be dreary like the Atlantis section in Justice League then...yeah... He just seemed a bit angsty in the movie and they changed things that were so much better in the original. Like his adopted father dying of a heart attack and him being powerless to do anything about it is far better than his dad running into a twister... to save a dog... and telling Clark not to help. He has super speed, he could run in, grab you and keep running and nobody would see him move. Plus when he totalled that guy's truck because he was pestering a waitress... yeah, okay the guy is a dick but did you really need to destroy what is likely his livelihood Clark? Plus I thought Superman was superior because of 32 years under yellow sun build up, Zod and co only just got there. The main problem is that it can be 'dark' and 'gritty' but Superman has still got to be a hopeful character, he should still be Superman by the end of his first movie, not an angsty teenager. And what is the romance in this movie? I have no investment in Clark and Lois at all and they kiss right after a city destroying fight? Is now a good time guys? The corpses of the city's population are still warm and you're making out? Then Supes makes a joke about a government satellite he destroys. Jokes? Now? The film finally had a light moment and it was now? After the city was destroyed? Not just a few blocks like in Avengers where we had multiple scenes of evacuation and people being saved but after buildings filled with people were torn through like tissue paper, where people clearly died, Supes is kissing and cracking wise amongst the rubble? Have these moments earlier in the movie where they are lacking entirely... not at the end!



Darker	Apr 5 2018, 06:42 PM Post #33
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Can we not talk about MoS? Just thinking about that movie hurts my head and I'm sure I'm not the only one... The DCEU just started off wrong to begin with. Southern Gothic Apr 5 2018, 04:40 PM Darker Apr 5 2018, 03:43 PM Southern Gothic Apr 5 2018, 01:34 PM Goddess Ultimecia Apr 5 2018, 04:21 AM Axl Apr 5 2018, 04:16 AM It's 2018, like who the hell even watches superhero movies now? Didn't they like peaked out and died down like a decade plus back? So, this isn't really surprising to me at least. Maybe you just got out of prison or something man buuut. They've only been getting more and more popular. Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Thor Ragnarok. These have all been huge smashes at the box office and that's within the past year alone. Yeah with Black Panther being a money making juggernaut right now, and Infinity War right around the corner, I'd say the peak is yet to come. Maybe after, but it's not slowing down as of yet. But all will bend the knee once Aquaman comes out. Not sure why there are dopey faces there... Because of Aquaman? I didn't expect the 'Aquaman is a joke' gag coming from you tbh Shame, shame...
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Southern Gothic	Apr 5 2018, 07:08 PM Post #34
Dilly Dilly Posts: 1,248 Group: Donator Member #12,015 Joined: January 23, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball GT, Wicked City, Akira Favourite Manga Jaco the Galactic Patrolman	Darker Apr 5 2018, 06:42 PM Can we not talk about MoS? Just thinking about that movie hurts my head and I'm sure I'm not the only one... The DCEU just started off wrong to begin with. Southern Gothic Apr 5 2018, 04:40 PM Darker Apr 5 2018, 03:43 PM Southern Gothic Apr 5 2018, 01:34 PM Goddess Ultimecia Apr 5 2018, 04:21 AM Axl Apr 5 2018, 04:16 AM It's 2018, like who the hell even watches superhero movies now? Didn't they like peaked out and died down like a decade plus back? So, this isn't really surprising to me at least. Maybe you just got out of prison or something man buuut. They've only been getting more and more popular. Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Thor Ragnarok. These have all been huge smashes at the box office and that's within the past year alone. Yeah with Black Panther being a money making juggernaut right now, and Infinity War right around the corner, I'd say the peak is yet to come. Maybe after, but it's not slowing down as of yet. But all will bend the knee once Aquaman comes out. Not sure why there are dopey faces there... Because of Aquaman? I didn't expect the 'Aquaman is a joke' gag coming from you tbh Shame, shame... Within the context of this conversation, we are discussing the massive box-office disappointment Justice League turned out to be. Enough so that the entire fate of the DC movies are now hanging in the balance and plans are being changed within the studio. The only way to turn this around (and stay the current Snyder created course) would be for Aquaman to be a massive success the likes of making a billion dollars worldwide. That's more that BvS mind you. Assuming that Aquaman is great, which I do expect something good, do you really think it's going to pull in enough money to salvage the financial disaster of Justice League? Realistically speaking, a strong turnout for Aquaman would probably put it in the 500-600 million dollar range worldwide, making the movie an individual success but not making up for the failure of the universe as a whole. This is after the wet fart of Justice League is still stuck in people's mouths. Maybe you waaay more optimistic about Aquaman than I am. But let's be real: it's not making a billion dollars, nor enough money to salvage Justice League. That's the joke I'm making. Not at the expense of the character.



Topographic Oceans	Apr 5 2018, 07:40 PM Post #35
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	I'm afraid Super Friends has almost irreparably tarnished Aquaman's reputation amongst general audiences. Casting this Game of Thrones guy in the role did a lot to fix that issue, but if a Justice League movie featuring him didn't do too well financially, I doubt his solo movie will--unless it starts garnerning praise as quickly as Wonder Woman did... and even in that scenario, it might still not meet Warner's financial expectations.
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Darker	Apr 5 2018, 08:16 PM Post #36
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	I was mostly kidding about how old the 'Aquaman is a joke' thing is, Gothic. Like, that goes way past my time and it got old the moment I first heard it, because it's a baseless, ignorant and unfunny joke. You're only bound to make such a joke if you only know of Aquaman the same way you'd know of Godzilla because of the 1998 movie. DC's been ignoring and beating that joke to the ground for the past several years, it amuses a whole lot of people, but it pisses them off that this ignorance still exists and keeps on going. Memes are a b*** I guess. Though this is mostly a thing in the english-speaking side of the world from what I've seen. The rest of the world couldn't care less about Aquaman, or most superheroes for that matter outside of the Top 3 in terms of popularity (Supes, Bats, Spidey), so if anything I have high hopes of general audiences respecting the character of Aquaman outside the US. Look at Black Panther, one of the least popular Avengers to the general public and his movie could potentially beat The Avengers and The Dark Knight at the box office. You never know how it could go, all of us who liked the JL movie are also a bit surprised it was a bit of a bomb. The JL did the characters justice, which is all I need in a comic book adaptation, and from what I saw Atlantis was more or less the same as in the comics as well (the way it looks in the comics right now is almost no different from the Aquaman scene in the JL movie), so I'm glad about that. Whether they continue or not, welp, it'll be a shame. The Dark Universe failed and died and the same could happen to the DCEU but unlike the Dark Universe, at the very least they tried. That's more than I can say for Marvel currently...
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Southern Gothic	Apr 5 2018, 09:06 PM Post #37
Dilly Dilly Posts: 1,248 Group: Donator Member #12,015 Joined: January 23, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball GT, Wicked City, Akira Favourite Manga Jaco the Galactic Patrolman	I hope they continue it as well. Personally I was really looking forward to Joss Whedon's Batgirl and was pretty bummed to see him step away from the property.



superperfectnerd	Apr 5 2018, 10:24 PM Post #38
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Darker Apr 5 2018, 08:16 PM I was mostly kidding about how old the 'Aquaman is a joke' thing is, Gothic. Like, that goes way past my time and it got old the moment I first heard it, because it's a baseless, ignorant and unfunny joke. You're only bound to make such a joke if you only know of Aquaman the same way you'd know of Godzilla because of the 1998 movie. DC's been ignoring and beating that joke to the ground for the past several years, it amuses a whole lot of people, but it pisses them off that this ignorance still exists and keeps on going. Memes are a b*** I guess. Though this is mostly a thing in the english-speaking side of the world from what I've seen. The rest of the world couldn't care less about Aquaman, or most superheroes for that matter outside of the Top 3 in terms of popularity (Supes, Bats, Spidey), so if anything I have high hopes of general audiences respecting the character of Aquaman outside the US. Look at Black Panther, one of the least popular Avengers to the general public and his movie could potentially beat The Avengers and The Dark Knight at the box office. You never know how it could go, all of us who liked the JL movie are also a bit surprised it was a bit of a bomb. The JL did the characters justice, which is all I need in a comic book adaptation, and from what I saw Atlantis was more or less the same as in the comics as well (the way it looks in the comics right now is almost no different from the Aquaman scene in the JL movie), so I'm glad about that. Whether they continue or not, welp, it'll be a shame. The Dark Universe failed and died and the same could happen to the DCEU but unlike the Dark Universe, at the very least they tried. That's more than I can say for Marvel currently... Marvel isn't just a lighthearted romp at all times, other than the colour palette, Civil War and Winter Soldier had just as deep themes as BvS and did them better. Just because they also have jokes and lighthearted moments, doesn't mean the content isn't in some ways mature. I've seen Civil War multiple times and to this day don't really know who was in the right but Superman and batman is meant to be a clash of ideals but in BvS they just had... the same ideals? Sort of? Black panther was successful because it had the brand of Marvel behind it, the MCU is just so big now, it's self sustaining, even with lesser known characters. Plus, first mainstream audience solo black super hero film for a long time. Blade was R rated and low budget. Same with Wonder Woman's success, first major mainstream female led super hero movie in a long time. They were both good but also had massive untapped audience potential for audiences members who feel underrepresented in the genre. Aquaman has neither the Marvel movie brand nor is treading any new ground for mass untapped audiences.



+ Steve	Apr 5 2018, 10:56 PM Post #39
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Quote: I was mostly kidding about how old the 'Aquaman is a joke' thing is, Gothic. Like, that goes way past my time and it got old the moment I first heard it, because it's a baseless, ignorant and unfunny joke. You're only bound to make such a joke if you only know of Aquaman the same way you'd know of Godzilla because of the 1998 movie. That sums up most people though, the only people who care about Aquaman read the comics or watch the animated movies and that's not many people at all. Quote: Look at Black Panther, one of the least popular Avengers to the general public and his movie could potentially beat The Avengers and The Dark Knight at the box office. Yeah but Black Panther owes a lot of it's success to both the brand and the racially charged hype, Aquaman has none of that. Basically the only reason anyone outside comic fandom has to care is "Daddy Drogo is back!" Is he really that supremely interesting? If people can barely even get behind Batman now I'm not sure Aquaman is going to do a whole lot. Especially not since he's basically just Water Thor for this verse. I think Shazam! has a much better chance, it could be a really fun movie. That is...if they don't can the verse by then. He's even more unknown than Aquaman but that has a good chance of working, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy, though slightly less obscure. The guy who played Chuck in...Chuck is playing Shazam! though, he's an alright actor but I'm not entirely sure I'd buy him as a superhero.
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Darker	Apr 6 2018, 05:39 AM Post #40
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	superperfectnerd Apr 5 2018, 10:24 PM Marvel isn't just a lighthearted romp at all times, other than the colour palette, Civil War and Winter Soldier had just as deep themes as BvS and did them better. Just because they also have jokes and lighthearted moments, doesn't mean the content isn't in some ways mature. I've seen Civil War multiple times and to this day don't really know who was in the right but Superman and batman is meant to be a clash of ideals but in BvS they just had... the same ideals? Sort of? Regardless of quality, the MCU isn't an adaptation of Marvel. Just a blend of fanficy ideas and some of the most wrong aspects across Marvel media. That's why the DCEU truly triumphs, they're not getting any of the characters wrong. Quote: Is he really that supremely interesting? Uh, yes. Trust the comic book guy, dude. Quote: If people can barely even get behind Batman now I'm not sure Aquaman is going to do a whole lot. People can barely get behind Batman now? wut Quote: Especially not since he's basically just Water Thor for this verse. Water MCU Thor, and, like I've said before, Aquaman's had this rebellious rockstar personality long before the MCU was concieved. And I don't see why acting like MCU Thor, which he... really doesn't, would change opinions for his movie on a global level. Quote: I think Shazam! has a much better chance, it could be a really fun movie. That is...if they don't can the verse by then. He's even more unknown than Aquaman but that has a good chance of working, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy, though slightly less obscure. Man you are overestimating the fun of that character quite a bit. For every interesting thing about Shazam/Captain Marvel, Aquaman's got about ten more.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Southern Gothic	Apr 6 2018, 12:47 PM Post #41
Dilly Dilly Posts: 1,248 Group: Donator Member #12,015 Joined: January 23, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball GT, Wicked City, Akira Favourite Manga Jaco the Galactic Patrolman	I'd take an Aquaman movie over Shazam any time, personally. Plus, DC has a chance to strike some iron in a place Marvel has yet to go, which is to say an under water kingdom. That's one of the few last unexplored territories left in the superhero world.



superperfectnerd	Apr 6 2018, 01:34 PM Post #42
Posts: 3,709 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Darker Apr 6 2018, 05:39 AM superperfectnerd Apr 5 2018, 10:24 PM Marvel isn't just a lighthearted romp at all times, other than the colour palette, Civil War and Winter Soldier had just as deep themes as BvS and did them better. Just because they also have jokes and lighthearted moments, doesn't mean the content isn't in some ways mature. I've seen Civil War multiple times and to this day don't really know who was in the right but Superman and batman is meant to be a clash of ideals but in BvS they just had... the same ideals? Sort of? Regardless of quality, the MCU isn't an adaptation of Marvel. Just a blend of fanficy ideas and some of the most wrong aspects across Marvel media. That's why the DCEU truly triumphs, they're not getting any of the characters wrong. Quote: Is he really that supremely interesting? Uh, yes. Trust the comic book guy, dude. Quote: If people can barely even get behind Batman now I'm not sure Aquaman is going to do a whole lot. People can barely get behind Batman now? wut Quote: Especially not since he's basically just Water Thor for this verse. Water MCU Thor, and, like I've said before, Aquaman's had this rebellious rockstar personality long before the MCU was concieved. And I don't see why acting like MCU Thor, which he... really doesn't, would change opinions for his movie on a global level. Quote: I think Shazam! has a much better chance, it could be a really fun movie. That is...if they don't can the verse by then. He's even more unknown than Aquaman but that has a good chance of working, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy, though slightly less obscure. Man you are overestimating the fun of that character quite a bit. For every interesting thing about Shazam/Captain Marvel, Aquaman's got about ten more. How has the DCEU gotten Superman right? Isn't this guy right? And Spider-man is my favourite super hero. Clark in MoS just seems anxty and annoyed by his life. I actually preferred him in BvS but Frank Miller's version of Supes was always awful, so having a universe that centres around getting that comic book story to happen is kind of bad IMO anyway. Not that thy even fought for the same reasons but wanting any of that comic book in Superman kind of ruins him for the sake of putting Batman on a pedestal. Edited by superperfectnerd, Apr 6 2018, 01:40 PM.



Darker	Apr 6 2018, 05:07 PM Post #43
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,358 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	I mean, the way MoS Superman behaved isn't inaccurate for some portrayals of Superman. He reminds me a lot of DCAU Superman, for instance, who also sucks, but that's another story. Superman was more or less himself in Justice League and there were bits and pieces of his true self in BvS, the Frank Miller Superman was almost nowhere to be found, thankfully. DCEU Superman isn't a complete boyscout like that one.
	Piccolo: Just how many people have you sacrificed?! Cell: Sacrifice? Hmph, rubbish! On the contrary, it is an honor to become a fraction of my power.


Southern Gothic	Apr 6 2018, 05:19 PM Post #44
Dilly Dilly Posts: 1,248 Group: Donator Member #12,015 Joined: January 23, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball GT, Wicked City, Akira Favourite Manga Jaco the Galactic Patrolman	Justice League had the most balanced Superman, in my opinion. He still had that edge from Man of Steel but had also progressed passed a lot of the isolation and sadness that the movies saddled to the character. Edit: not to mention that they brightened up the suit a lot. Edited by Southern Gothic, Apr 6 2018, 05:19 PM.



+ QueenTD	Apr 6 2018, 09:18 PM Post #45
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	People don't back Batman? Lol Steve where u get that impression from.
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