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How would we fight wars today without guns?
Topic Started: Mar 23 2018, 01:26 PM (269 Views)
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Lets say that the chemicals needed to make ballistics disappears. How do we fight without guns?

Go back to swords and shields you say. However with our technology today we can make armour and shields that swords and bows can't cut through. Would we just have to stop fighting each other as neither side could ever make ground?


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We can still use vehicles right? And we could fall into say, rail guns and other less chemically induced means of hurling objects very fast across distances, not to mention if we can't for some reason use bullets, we still have enough for say, napalm I assume, which is probably gonna be the easiest change assuming we include conventional bombs with this, if not it's even easier as the tank, the air planes, the cruise missiles would all still be easy enough to make, as well as just general explosives, it's likely grenade launchers will be used a lot more as well, perhaps even bows and arrows in certain cases, as they're still used to this very day despite the prevalence of the guns. I would definitely say we have a few weapons in the USA that can... more or less be summed up as a pain ray, I could easily see this along with various other periphery projects suddenly gaining a lot of traction if they become the only game in town in terms of hurting people.

And of course, if you want to get nasty, we still have chemical weapons.

It'd certainly change, but not as much as one would think initially.
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Mar 23 2018, 01:26 PM
Lets say that the chemicals needed to make ballistics disappears. How do we fight without guns?

Go back to swords and shields you say. However with our technology today we can make armour and shields that swords and bows can't cut through. Would we just have to stop fighting each other as neither side could ever make ground?
No ballistics still means mecha wars are an option.

Stab proof vest? Can it defend you against a mechsuit!?


Either better and better melee weapons or that, it wouldn't be hard to improve weaponry if we felt it necessary.
Assuming jet boosters and s*** like that are on the table, I'm sure we could essentially make the Super Sledge from Fallout 4 or apply the same principle to cutting tools.
Arrows with the same thing perhaps.

Or I guess genetic modification.
If you're in a world where everyone is kind of on equal ground your only option is to have an army of giant mutant bastards that can squash all competition.


Makes me wonder who'd be on top because the balance of power would depend almost entirely on the strength of the fighting populace, the Icelandic folk would be beasts for instance.
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Lets say that the chemicals needed to make ballistics disappears. How do we fight without guns?

Go back to swords and shields you say. However with our technology today we can make armour and shields that swords and bows can't cut through. Would we just have to stop fighting each other as neither side could ever make ground?
Swords weren't usually actually able to cut through a knight's armor in medieval times either but they were still used

The better question is what if we used air soft guns or other sports to fight wars?
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I wonder what kind of crazy weaponry we'd have, like siege weapon style stuff.

I can imagine something like a ballista that fires a s*** ton of spears, wonder how far we'd take combat.
And what society would be like as a result, probably a lot less peaceful...
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Bulldozers and other huge construction vehicles suddenly become a big deal. They're essentially impervious in this new world of war save to missile strikes, which would kill a tank anyway. Bombs and missiles would still be used and those are really the main thing anyway. On an infantry level, grenades, recoiless rifles, rocket launchers, and bayonets suddenly become incredibly popular.
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With the chemicals I'd imagine bombs and whatnot are off the table here otherwise they kinda defeat the point of the restriction.


I want to dip in to this alternate reality and see what kind of cool s*** we could have made...wonder if we'd ever make anything like the 3D Manoeuvre Gear from AoT? Maybe not quite as out there though but something similar.

I doubt we'd stick to just boots on the ground warfare, things would escalate.
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Ballistics have nothing to do with bombs.

3DMG is another name for "get a lot of whiplash". Also it's essentially useless if your enemy just sets up tripwires and spikes and other such booby traps. Also, good luck trying to use it against a bulldozer, tractor, or any other piece of heavy construction equipment. Or on land that has been clearcut or bombed out.
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Ballistics have nothing to do with bombs.

3DMG is another name for "get a lot of whiplash". Also it's essentially useless if your enemy just sets up tripwires and spikes and other such booby traps. Also, good luck trying to use it against a bulldozer, tractor, or any other piece of heavy construction equipment. Or on land that has been clearcut or bombed out.
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Ballistics is the field of mechanics that deals with the launching, flight, behavior, and effects of projectiles, especially bullets, unguided bombs, rockets, or the like; the science or art of designing and accelerating projectiles so as to achieve a desired performance.


I'd say bombs are off the table based on that.


It'd be a while before anything truck-like would be a viable weapon though, I'm sure we'd try but machines were pure garbage in early days, doubt they'd make good weapons for a while. Look at how s*** Japanese tanks were, you could practically walk up to them and peel bits of metal off.
Big, slow trucks that can barely turn around would be easy to destroy and without any guns people could just climb on them and bash them to pieces with sledgehammers and whatnot.
Or just trebuchet boulders in to them.

They'd be good around/post WW2 era I'd say.
Plus, they'd be so easy to defend against in a war, good luck driving over heaps of trenches and barricades. Or streets designed so that vehicles can't manoeuvre through them.


Obviously nothing quite as dramatic as 3DMG would work out but something along those lines would be a great combat tool, doesn't matter if your opponent is some huge guy if you can use momentum to destroy them.
Perhaps something more like a hookshot would be viable, though if it uses chemicals to fire and retract maybe that's not allowed.
In any case, I'm sure we'd get pretty inventive.
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