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Funimation vs Ocean Dub - Dragonball Z; How do you watch your Dragonball Z re-runs?
Topic Started: Mar 17 2018, 11:05 PM (1,069 Views)
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Apr 1 2018, 01:36 AM
Can't comment on the dubs as a whole but I definitely like the Ocean Dub VAs better by virtue of being more experienced and just sounding a lot more charismatic and appealing.

Yeah, those are pretty much my feelings on the matter.

Kelamis, Drummond and McNeil actually sound like Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo (respectively) despite the fact that they don't try to imitate their Japanese counterparts--it's their on take on the characters, and one that I feel is closer to how they're supposed to sound than any of the Funimation voices. A lot of that is owed to charisma and this scenery-chewing that actually works. And I'm not a native English-speaker, meaning I'm not nostalgic for this or any other North-American dub.
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Drummond sounds just fine in the latter portion of the series. Honestly, the sinister voice contrasts really well with the "good guy" dialogue. Really hammers home how much he's changed as a character, at least in my opinion.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

To each their own I guess. I'm fine with Drummond's performance in earlier parts of the series but I don't think he holds up nearly as well during later parts, although Drummond's probably a blessing compared to the later actors they got in the Ocean Dub. I may be willing to give Drummond a pass but some characters in the Ocean Dub like Cell, No. 16, No. 17, Fat Boo, No. 19, No. 18, Freeza, Babidi, Gotenks...the list goes on.

All of them range from pitifully average to downright terrible.

Drummond along with a select few others are the only ones that actually sound decent, probably because they're the only ones who put emotion into their acting, the Ocean Dub actors later on completely lacked any semblance of inflection. Meaning not only did many of their voices just not fit, they didn't have the emotion or structure to stand out. In so many cases later on, the Ocean Dub came off as stilted and stiff.





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Apr 1 2018, 02:33 AM
And I'm not a native English-speaker, meaning I'm not nostalgic for this or any other North-American dub.


Same here.

Scott McNeil in particular gets my vote because every time I hear him in any show I've watched he's immediately loveable, badass or both.
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Mar 31 2018, 03:48 AM
Asking me which English dub of DBZ I like more is like asking whether I prefer getting kicked in the balls or in the face.

Prior to Kai, the only well-dubbed things from either of them were the Ocean/Pioneer releases of the first three Z movies... so I guess just for that the "least awful overall" award goes to Ocean? Plus at least their VAs were more skilled and experienced even if the scripts were garbage the music and tone were mangled. But don't take me too readily at my word for any of that because my exposure to the Ocean dub is pretty much nil.
So what is it? You prefer being kicked in the balls or in the face? I'm curious here.
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Apr 1 2018, 02:18 AM
Sorry but I can't stand Brian Drummond's Vegeta passed the Freeza Arc. The more youthful voice fits for the more youthful looking Vegeta of the Saiyan/Freeza but it seems so off compared to the much older looking Vegeta.



This is just one of the prime examples of how Drummond's Vegeta just doesn't fit across the later part of the show. The higher, more raspy voice simply doesn't fit. So many people like Drummond and it's not that he can't be good, early DBZ shows that but much like Linda Young, there's simply a time and place for his kind of voice acting. I think most people are just high on nostalgia

Ironically, Drummond's performance works better with Copy Vegeta due to the more youthful art style and Copy Vegeta looking well...different to say the least. It also helps that Drummon got to have a better script to work with in Super than he did in the past.

But sorry, maybe the first 3 movies were fine but the actual series really isn't anything to go home about and it certainly fell hard after the Freeza Arc.
Sorry, I'm watching that clip and Drummond sounds perfectly fine to me. It's just different from Sabat's performance and by that time Sabat stopped his damn poor Drummond imitation and made the role his own (but Sabat didn't perfect it until Kai and Super)

I don't disagree that the Ocean dub fell hugely in quality when it picked by up in the Android saga but Drummond and Mcneil continued to be good.

And I really didn't mind Fat Boo's Elmo voice either. Better than Cell's terrible Ocean dub voice to be sure.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Scott McNeil is probably one of those actors who did actually manage to evolve his Piccolo voice, whether intentionally or not, I don't know. In the past, his voice would be very raspy and I believe higher pitched but as the series went on, it became deeper and less raspy. The deeper, more matured voice better fit a Piccolo who had not only grown older but had completely abandoned his evil ways and had become more calm and collected individual.

Although there were times when McNeil could fall back into his old ways.

McNeil's early voice for Piccolo worked fine for a Piccolo who was evil or questionable. It would've worked with something like 23rd Budokai or early Saiyan Arc, but it would never have fit passed his fusion with God. Luckily, McNeil seemed to find a way to evolve his voice and if anything, it seemed to evolve slightly even through the Freeza and early Cell Arcs.

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Apr 1 2018, 03:03 PM
it seemed to evolve slightly even through the Freeza and early Cell Arcs.

It's been forever but was Piccolo even IN THE Freeza arc at the time Mcneil was voicing the character? I could have sworn after he died we didn't see him again until they summoned Porunga at which point the Funimation in-house team took over and the Ocean Group never dubbed that portion.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I mean the portions where the Ocean Dub went back to voice the rest of the series. I'm assuming McNeil went back and did the rest of the Freeza Arc. However through a few of these clips, you can see how McNeil's Piccolo has subtly changed throughout its tenure.

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Back in the Saiyan Arc, it had younger, lighter more raspier sound to it. It has a very villainous quality which, considering who Piccolo was, fit fine.



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His voice here in the Boo Arc, or at least in this clip, is a lot deeper and less raspy than McNeil used during the three movies or early Saiyan Arc. Again, I don't know if it was intentional but it gives Piccolo a lot more maturity and evolution over his more evil sounding, raspy voice of the early series and movies.
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Apr 1 2018, 05:34 PM
I mean the portions where the Ocean Dub went back to voice the rest of the series. I'm assuming McNeil went back and did the rest of the Freeza Arc. However through a few of these clips, you can see how McNeil's Piccolo has subtly changed throughout its tenure.


His voice here in the Boo Arc, or at least in this clip, is a lot deeper and less raspy than McNeil used during the three movies or early Saiyan Arc. Again, I don't know if it was intentional but it gives Piccolo a lot more maturity and evolution over his more evil sounding, raspy voice of the early series and movies.
Ocean Group never went back and dubbed the rest of the Freeza arc. They dubbed the first two seasons for all english speaking countries and then provided an alternate English dub for the UK, Canada, and some other English speaking countries starting with the episode Goku's special technique. There is no Ocean Group version of the episodes Ginyu Assault- Mystery Revealed.
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I don't think I've come across the Ocean Dub much in recent years. The one scene I can say they did better than Funimation was when Vegeta is enraged at Gohan taking the dragon ball that he hid in the water on Namek. He was genuinely terrifying.
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May 9 2018, 02:47 PM
I don't think I've come across the Ocean Dub much in recent years. The one scene I can say they did better than Funimation was when Vegeta is enraged at Gohan taking the dragon ball that he hid in the water on Namek. He was genuinely terrifying.
Also Piccolo because Scott McNeil is a god.

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Yeh he seems pretty good. The music definitely helps that scene vs Vegeta.
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