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Why would the US government turn on it's citizens?
Topic Started: Feb 23 2018, 10:42 AM (499 Views)
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Obviously this comes from this bi-weekly gun debate based on whatever recent shooting, a common defence for why Americans "need" their guns is in short:

"If we don't have our guns what stops the government taking over?"


As many insulting and hilarious replies as I can think of to such a statement, I have absolutely no idea why anyone genuinely thinks that would ever happen.
For starters, the government completely owns all of you anyway, they don't need to literally force people to do things with gunfire and missiles when they control virtually everything as it is.

What makes people so paranoid about this? Or is it just the only defence they can think of?
To me it seems genuine, like they actually think it's a risk.

Worse than that, that they think they could actually beat the US military.


But in all seriousness...what could the US government possibly gain from randomly deciding to forcefully take over and I guess enslave the whole populace?
Pretty much the only thing I can even imagine is forcing people to work in the event that there was a total war encompassing the whole planet which is obviously not very likely in this age of nuclear weapons.
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There's not much at all to gain from doing something like that. The people that are already radicalized nationalists in this country are going to be like that, and the people who aren't probably aren't going to be convinced any time soon. Taking direct military action against citizens wouldn't do anything except make them lose support amongst those that support them currently. Contrary to what the general conspiracy take is, the US Government doesn't want to kill all of its people with population culling, generally, in our country's history, the more people we get, the better of we are. Going counter to that is ludicrous, and would require a literal nut in power to go through with that, someone that thinks shadow governments exist within the country they run or that exercising just putters out your "human battery" as if it's some finite source of energy...

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Oh dear god.
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The idea is more about stopping the government from overstepping its bounds. Democracies do fall, it seems unlikely to happen in the US true but it's not impossible. Of course, the only real way the citizens would be able to go against the government is if a significant proportion of the military did too and by that point you average joe with a gun isn't going to matter regardless. I think it's a pretty dumb reason from a bygone era but it is what it is.
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It sorta makes sense with how corrupt the police is in their country. If you can't trust law enforcement to defend you, you have to take it into your own hands.

It's not a "government" answer, but I think that's less prevalent than the police brutality issue.
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It's just an excuse people use so they can own guns.
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Feb 23 2018, 12:28 PM
It sorta makes sense with how corrupt the police is in their country. If you can't trust law enforcement to defend you, you have to take it into your own hands.

It's not a "government" answer, but I think that's less prevalent than the police brutality issue.
I can sort of understand that one but I never see it cited as a reason for "needing" guns it's still pretty irrational overall...unless you're black.
Although if you're black and have a gun you probably won't get much chance to protect yourself or have your say it seems. Oh the joys.


Anyway I just don't get it, people so confidently claim their AR-15's keep the government at bay, they must be massively ignorant of...well virtually all military technology.
"We'll beat them with guerilla tactics!"

On home turf? Not likely, not when drones exist.


But aside from the actual fighting most Americans are pretty damn loyal to their country, patriotism is a massive thing over there as I'm sure all of us know.
So...so why would the military even go through with it? Most of the reason people seem to join the military is to protect the country and their families, seems unreasonable to imagine they'd gleefully slaughter them all because some government man said to.

It'd take a massive amount of coercion or quite literal mind control which conspiracy theories aside, I don't think the US government has.


Interestingly, it's almost never other countries people talk about either, occasionally people will say they keep their guns in case Russia/North Korea/China invades but more often than not it seems to be a fear of the actual US government as if that's more likely.
I just wonder where all this stems from when you're taught the Pledge of Allegiance and all that, kind of odd how everyone hates the government quite so much.
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It'd never work, it'd never happen, it never will happen.

Edit: When I said this I meant taking away guns, not the US government turning on us.
Edited by Son-Goku, Feb 25 2018, 10:19 PM.
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I don't think it's so much a genuine fear as it is a habitual one. Part of the ammendment to carry arms was in order to rise up and overthrow the government should they attempt to dominate the country, or be leading it to destruction, all thanks to the American civil war.

Of course, the right to bear arms was originally conceived when most guns required poking gunpowder down the barrel with a stick before being able to reload, so it's a somewhat outdated idea.

I think that age-old commendment still kind of puts the fear in people today that the government will become corrupt and need to be usurped. Which has arguably been the case many times, and yet when one or two armed individuals do try to rise up it's either been against a president that is mostly fondly remembered, and thus those people are then scorned.

Essentially I think the government maintains a bit of a cage on it's people with depiction of firearms. They refuse to take them away from standard citizens and still openly sell them, so a vast majority of the population is capable of owning multiple weapons. However, those that do are often depicted in the media and amongst society in a very negative manner a lot of the time, especially as any person that attempts some kind of armed uprising are often killed or very much alienated for the rest of their lives. It provides people with enough to feel like they have control while at the same time supressing them subtly enough that they don't really notice. As you said Steve, the government is in control already, it's just not as dystopian and obvious as a lot of people seem to think it would be.
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However, those that do are often depicted in the media and amongst society in a very negative manner a lot of the time, especially as any person that attempts some kind of armed uprising are often killed or very much alienated for the rest of their lives. It provides people with enough to feel like they have control while at the same time supressing them subtly enough that they don't really notice. As you said Steve, the government is in control already, it's just not as dystopian and obvious as a lot of people seem to think it would be.


While it is true that most gun owners are pretty responsible and not likely to go shoot up a school or a church, the issue is that...they still could, all it takes is one "snap" moment of anger, a build up of it or the perfect concoction of mental health issues/bullying/etc for someone or their kid to take up the weapon and kill someone.

And even if we take mass shootings out of the equation it's clear a lot of the "responsible" gun owners aren't responsible at all, all the accidents and such. Many young children get their hands on them and do some damage because some fool just left it sitting around.
Definitely wouldn't be a bad idea to have some laws in place that require you to know how to operate a weapon properly before you get one, they're given out like toys currently.


It's like it's got to the point where they're so ingrained in society that people don't even realize they're dangerous weapons.
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The argument that private citizens need assault rifles of any variety is stupid because the government has missiles and fighter jets and so many other things. No militia is going to stop that.
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