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| + QueenTD | Mar 7 2018, 12:26 AM Post #106 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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America isn't a country. It's a continent. |
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| + Ginyu | Mar 7 2018, 05:28 AM Post #107 |
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I always go against this. America is usually a reference to the United States of America. But it's such a mouth full so we just say the U.S. or America. America is also not a continent. North America is a continent and South America is a continent. The two continents combined are 'the Americas' Everytime someone particularly refers to North America or the U.S. + Canada, they'll say North America. Everytime someone refers to South America, they'll say South America. Everytime someone refers to both continents, they'll specifically say the Americas. Not America, that would be confusing. Everytime someone refers to the United States of America, they might say the U.S., the United States, the U.S.A., or America. America is pretty much officially acknowledge as a short form for 'the United States of America' Language is nothing more than an agreement between humans. Words mean what we want them to mean. It's pointless to go against a definition many people use. So yeah, kind of off-topic, but in this particular internet teasing towards Americans I'm always on America's side. |
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| + QueenTD | Mar 7 2018, 05:41 AM Post #108 |
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Relax, I wasn't being serious I was joking entirely. |
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| superperfectnerd | Mar 7 2018, 06:54 PM Post #109 |
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The prime minister was mocked by the press for sticking his dick in a pig's mouth. The main problem with our press right now is that the majority of right wing publications are owned by one man with a political bias and agenda capable of influencing large swathes of voters with disingenuous information or even outright opinion. The press isn't government controlled but rich oligarchs having control of information and the way it's represented is a problem even when the press is free. What you're referencing are laws and regulations regarding libel and slander. Some of these papers like The Sun have had to print retractions but they won't be on the front page and by then the damage is done anyway. This has nothing to do with a functioning free democracy or freedom of speech. Did you watch Jim Jefferies? If you didn't, you should. He sums up basically every one of your arguments. What even is your point anyway? Freedom and security are more nuanced than this. You don't have absolute freedom within a functioning society, it's about balance. Or would you rather live in a country where you can rape, murder and pillage with no consequences because you're completely free to do so with no repercussions? Of course not. So what's your point? America being "the land of the free" is a pointless soundbite, it means nothing. It just sounds good to people who are obsessed with patriotism and God and country and all that nonsense, utterly meaningless in practice. Have you been to Holland? Edited by superperfectnerd, Mar 7 2018, 07:16 PM.
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| Mc Esse | Mar 7 2018, 10:47 PM Post #110 |
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Monkey see monkey do. The left wing media in England claimed Brexit would fail 30-70 a week before the referendum , right ? That’s just their opinion. They have the right to it. . So can we agree that England freedom of speech is more rigid than America’s ?
Like I said. By stripping people of their right to self preservation, is that your angle ? You’re against the 2nd amendment right ? By being that you’re exposing more people to being taped murdered and pillaged. I have not been to holland. Why? I actually laughed when Queen TD Said “relax I was joking” lol
No. I don’t believe that you should ever give that much trust to a government. Definably not your right to self preservation.. I’m being honest here. I don’t believe I’m beholdent to a government to excersize my right to self preservation. Being honest here. We just disagree. I’m not trusting a government who has selectively targeted people for auditing. Selectively put people on a no fly list. I’m not trusting the government who run the DMV, the post office, Medicare, welfare. These services that are extremely inneficient, extremely in debt and generally are unliked by the general public anyways. . How do you know half of them are messed up? |
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| superperfectnerd | Mar 7 2018, 10:56 PM Post #111 |
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Every country that has tightened gun regulations substantially or banned them altogether has experienced a massive, massive fall in gun fatalities across the board. You're argument here is "I like guns, don't take my guns" and that is literally all you have. That's it. Pay heed to statistics in other countries. Actual facts.
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| Mc Esse | Mar 7 2018, 11:09 PM Post #112 |
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But did it decrease the violent crime. ? London has more violent crime now than in the 90s. New York City and Detroit don’t. Edited by Mc Esse, Mar 7 2018, 11:10 PM.
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| Daemon Keido | Mar 7 2018, 11:35 PM Post #113 |
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We never claimed that restricting firearms eliminated violent crime. We simply claimed that when guns are more restricted, gun violence becomes harder to commit. Which is the truth. I am a believer in personal defense. But no home needs anything more than a shotgun or bolt action rifle. You do NOT need assault style weapons to do it. |
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| superperfectnerd | Mar 8 2018, 01:07 AM Post #114 |
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That's not the point! Violent crime is intrinsically less life threatening when you can't shoot each other, so there may be as much or even more violent crime but it still leads to less fatalities. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Fists don't punch people in the jaw, people punch people in the jaw. It's not about the morals of people because there will always be c***, it's about ensuring that there's less guns available for c*** to go trigger happy when they've had a bad day. You could have a moment of blind rage and shoot somebody in the head, I could have a moment of blind rage and swing a knife, one is still massively more likely to kill someone because you can't fight back if somebody has drawn a gun on you and pulled the trigger. What world is it you live in where you're constantly ready to fire on an aggressor? Somebody walks into a room and shoots you but you were somehow already aiming at them and ready to fire? It's illegal to carry knives here, so naturally most people don't, you'd have to pre plan and get the knife and then attack your target, people walking around with guns ready for a firefight will... get this... be more likely to cause one and kill people. It's painfully obvious to the rest of the world but here we are talking about freedom of the press when children are dead. Edited by superperfectnerd, Mar 8 2018, 01:15 AM.
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| Hurdan | Mar 8 2018, 03:34 AM Post #115 |
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Gun Control laws and plans fail to realize no matter how hard you make it to get a gun LEGALLY. They will always find a gun if they want one. Yes, you can make guns harder to come across in the legal world. But they never get their guns legally. That's WAYYY too much of a headache, so then they opt to illegally obtaining their guns. Which are almost all smuggled by the mass'. It should not be easy to own a gun, but making it even harder to get one will ultimately make it harder for the civilians to defend for themselves. Better border protection laws, especially around the coasts would help with this issue. But not much. Whatever you do, if the criminal wants a gun, a bomb, anything, he can get it. |
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| EMIYA | Mar 8 2018, 05:10 AM Post #116 |
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I'm sorry but not only is everything you said wrong but goes completely against every bit of data gathered on mass shootings and gun control. At least 80-90% of mass shooters obtained their guns legally according to the Mother Jones Database. Shooters aren't getting their guns from the back alleys, they're getting them legally like anyone else. Depending on where I am, I could easily obtain an AR-15 assault rifle legally and all it would take is a little patience and testing. If the vast majority of shooters are getting their weapons legally, then it goes to show that an effort to fix the legality of obtaining them. Nobody needs to have an AR-15 or any kind of assault rifle. Nobody needs something to shoot anti-tank bullets. If you want protection, a simple pistol and rifle with a select ammo type and holding rounds will be more than enough. When you make the claim that almost all guns are smuggled by the mass, you are wrong. This is not an opinion, you are literally wrong. We have been proven time again and again by other first world countries that gun control works and frankly, the stricter, the better. In 1996, Australia came under a terrible mass shooting by a man named Martin Bryant upon a tourist spot. He killed around 35 people with two assault weapons, one of them being the AR-15. After this incident, the Australian government finally decided to enact a change, completely banning assault weapons like the AR-15. Do you know what happened? Ever since then, there has not been a single mass shooting since then. The absolute worst was an incident in 2002 when a mentally impaired man shot 2 people dead with acquired handguns. Even then, Australia acted out new legislation to deal with this incident. And despite that one incident, the banning of assault rifles and overall gun regulations in Australia has lead not only no mass shootings, but less gun violence and suicide attempts, not just with guns but overall too. It's very clear how the effects of a proper regulation has helped not only a country like Australia but other countries as well too. Countries like Australia, Canada, Japan, United Kingdom and Germany all have some level of restrictions and regulations upon guns and all of them have benefited from these regulations. There is absolutely no reason the USA should not be the same. |
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| + Steve | Mar 8 2018, 08:47 AM Post #117 |
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And if everyone in London had guns...there would be less crime? How is that going for the US currently? Is it the most crime free country in the world considering it owns around half the civilian weaponry on the planet? Because by this logic it should sure as s*** be extremely safe. A person can be stabbed 50 times and live, even if less guns directly caused there to be more violent crime, everyone is safer without guns being around, guns make literally any person an extreme threat, some complete f***ing idiot with a penknife is probably going to slash someone and get knocked the crap out. I have a big 8 or so inch long kitchen knife and I live right next to a school and not far from a high school. I'm also short, have asthma and are pretty weak. How many people do you reckon I'd manage to kill with a knife before someone took me down? How does this story change if I have guns? |
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| Hurdan | Mar 8 2018, 12:21 PM Post #118 |
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I'm sorry, but may you provide sources for your claims, because I can provide some for mine; http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/05/joe-scarborough/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-tiny-fraction-crimes-commit/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.749e06cfcce0 In the second study, the University of Pittsburgh, did a study, researchers partnered with the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police to trace the origins of all 893 firearms that police recovered from crime scenes in the year 2008. They found that 79% of the firearms were obtained illegally, or they were not their own. And 18% were legally obtained guns. However, I agree with Daemen and you, we do not need more than a shotgun, or a bolt action rifle to defend ourselves. Assault Rifles are way too easy to obtain. These are high-powered rifles, and thus we should have harsher conditions on obtaining these items. Edited by Hurdan, Mar 8 2018, 12:40 PM.
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| + Ginyu | Mar 8 2018, 01:11 PM Post #119 |
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Poe's Law. A lot of people are not joking and think they make a legitimate point when saying this. |
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| + Steve | Mar 8 2018, 03:41 PM Post #120 |
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That's in regard to gun crime in general, Emiya said most mass shooters have guns legally, which is true. All these people shooting up schools do it with weapons they're lawfully allowed to have or were given with no regard to the law because not all gun store operators can be trusted, clearly. Maybe general gun crime won't go down much for years, gang fights and all that s***. But those people at least have the decency to kill each other most of the time, they won't all just randomly decide "Let's go murder children now!" they shoot each other for completely different reasons and at least have some element of morality, I doubt most of them would happily slay dozens of children even if they are f***ed up. And that still doesn't change the fact that gun crime goes down everywhere gun control is put in place, it just doesn't happen instantly. Of course illegal guns will still be around but...that's also an issue worth cracking down on? It's not like regulations have to be put in place and then the US has to just go "Kay we're done now, crime is fixed forever" Though with a largely incompetent police force it'd probably be best to train them up first. |
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