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Two School Shooting today's
Topic Started: Feb 15 2018, 01:39 AM (5,119 Views)
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The UK doesn't have freedom of speech? Haha, have you ever left America?
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Honestly speaking, the only way for all violence to end period is for every human being to stop being selfish and more selfless. If everyone was united into making not just Florida and Virginia safe, but the ENTIRE planet, we could rid ourselves of damn near all our political and non-political problems, which boils down to our world's governments and/or factions stop being so self-absorbed about money and control. The tragedy that happened in those locations are just gonna continue until everyone change. Until then, like Goddess said, this stuff is the normal nowadays sadly.
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So Mc Esse......

If the American government suddenly turns tyrannical, that means they will use the military to stamp down on any and all resistance from the people right? That means you have to deal with the full military might of America. Even IF you still had the AR-15, you still only have the rifle used to derive ths M4, which outclasses the AR-15 in all ways.

And supposing for a second you can outshoot an army Infantry soldier, threat escalation begins.

A sniper.

Armoured vehicles.

Drone strikes.

Close air support.

Naval bombardment if you live near the coasts.


Make no mistake, Mc Esse. If the government wanted you dead or under its boot, you would be. And all your guns wouldn't save you.

So stop using the phantom of a tyranical government as the reason you need the guns you have.

I'm a Canadian gun owner. I have been for several years. I legally own a bolt action rifle. It holds 5 rounds in a magazine. AND THAT IS PLENTY.

If you have no trust in your government to not suddenly turn on you, cosider two things:

You should either join the govermment and enact change from within.

Or you are doing something you think the government might crackdown on.
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I'm just going to leave these here and I don't know how anyone could disagree with what he says... it's also funny too. Hooray!
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I wanted to post that, but didn't know how well it would go down.

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The UK doesn't have freedom of speech? Haha, have you ever left America?

Shhh, you'll break America if they don't think they're the only country in the world with any type of freedom.
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Canada also has freedom of speech. But hatespeech is not protected speech.
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"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."

Oscar Wilde

Toxic patriotism is a real problem in a lot of the world but America is something else, yeah we all have constitutions buddy, we just don't go on and on about it.
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Yeah, it's not some holy scripture that has to be followed to the letter.


The Second Amendment doesn't protect you, it just gets in the way of protecting people.

Unless packing more and more guns in to every possible situation is actually going to fix things, somehow I doubt it.

Teachers with guns to stop any crazies trying to kill the students.
Guards to stop any teachers who go crazy and try to kill students.
Guards to stop guards going crazy and killing teachers and students.
Bulletproof vests for every citizen.
Armour piercing ammo for everyone because mass shooters have the vests too.

Does it have to get to any of those stages for people to think maybe the Second Amendment is kind of an irrelevant 200 year old piece of legislation that doens't reflect the modern world?

Looking at it it's kind of vague anyway, it more or less looks like it means you have the right to bear arms in the event that a militia needs to be formed, which is something that never seems to happen.
It doesn't say everyone should have free access to have a house full of deadly weapons they don't use or need and don't responsibly look after.
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no. No. It’s not a cult belief. I’m not telling you to be putting faith in a talking snake or a Holy Ghost. Freedom of speech is not a fundamental human right in anywhere else in the world. They don’t have it in Canada. They don’t. Have it in Algeria. They don’t have it in Sweden. They don’t have it in Japan. They don’t have it in the UK. That’s a verafiable fact. Nor is the right to self preservate yourself from any threat including a tyrannical government.
Honestly, where do you Americans get the idea from that you're the only free country in the world. Or even the most free country in the world. You're not even that either.
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You should either join the govermment and enact change from within.

Or you are doing something you think the government might crackdown on.


No and. No. Can I respond to everyone here?. It’s really all in the same Thing you guys are saying but keido said it best. Every measure You Guys propose requires the trust. That the government will do it properly. Efficiently. Safely , and will always be acting on behalf of the people. I don’t have that much faith in a centralized government. I’ll tell you that much.

Correct me if I’m wrong. But you guys are all saying there should be a standard placed on buying a firearm. There already is. A standard. You can’t buy a gun if your a felon, a violent criminal or mentally unfit. You can’t.


2 more things.

the UK does not have freedom of speech. Well technically they do on paper. But practically they don’t. You can’t write an article criticizing parliament, it always goes through an injunction. There’s no freedom of the press. The UK’s freedom of speech in more flexible than America’s.

So is Canada’s freedom of speech. Canada doesn’t have freedom of speech as a fundamental human right either. In some parts of Canada you can’t even set up a commerce sign or a billboard in English. It’s against the law. And I’m not talking about a billboard promoting hate. I mean a billboard period .

There’s your freedom of speech. If it walks like a duck. It’s a duck.

Like I said earlier. America is the only country in the world where freedom of speech is a fundamental human right.

Oh and I found it funny when Steve said “I’d rather get sexually assaulted than shot” or something like that. Didn’t have time to quote it.
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I want to explain something about the commerce in English bit. That is only in Quebec and you are still wrong. French is used first, English secondary. The English is not restricted or even limited, it is simply considered secondary to a province that primarily speaks French.

As for freedom of speech, it is in our bill of rights. But there are limits, because even with America's freedom of speech there are things you cannot do like yell "fire" in a theatre when no fire exists.

You know very little of my country. Do not act like you do.
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No. No. French can be used in solidarity but English can’t.

You were saying ?

Bill 101
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Mc Esse I have actually been to Quebec. I know you are wrong. Stop lying.
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Bill 101 man look it up. Rene levesque passed it in 1972 i think. You don’t even have the right to choose if you want to send your child to English school anymore (unless of course the child’s parent went to English school) that’s it
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That law has been challenged and limited legally. And if you noticed, it explicitly said all signage for both commerical, municipal and provincial use can be done in a second language so long as French was the predominant one. You are picking and choosing to fit your arguement.
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