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Two School Shooting today's
Topic Started: Feb 15 2018, 01:39 AM (5,121 Views)
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Mar 1 2018, 10:13 PM
What bothers me is the political grand standing. The virtue of the left. When their very position is evil. It’s evil. It’s evil to disarm law abiding citizens. Who do you think you are. Because someone did something bad. They think they have the right to strip me of my God given right to self defense. That’s. The problem with countries like Europe that’s the problem with countries that don’t recognize your rights coming from somewhere other than the government. You get the angry skeptic atheist angry at me now. guess what. The constitution recognizes that our rights were bestowed to us by God not by government. But these people don’t believe that. They think they gave you the right. And that’s why they think they can take it away. They think they can tell you you can’t defend yourself because someone did something bad in a school. It’s terrible. It’s sucks. The left always talks about coming together. How about they come together by shutting up and letting the bodies be buried before they start politiscing a crap legislation that they know won’t change anything anyways.


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Population size is irrelevant, it's all relative. If you ban guns in one state but not the next, then it's just a quick trip to the next state along to buy a gun, its all or nothing, you have to ban them everywhere and just because there are less people in the UK doesn't mean its not proportionally exactly the same, less gun owners literally but same percentage of the population and same percentage of law enforcers give or take had access to guns before thy were banned, you work out percentages across population sizes and America has shootings every day. Our police don't even have guns. I've literally never met anyone with a gun in my life and there have been no mass shootings in 20 years.

God didn't give anyone rights to own a gun, that's laughable. In fact the concept of God is laughable to me, it's so sycophantic, pray to god and if he gives you what you want then thank him... if he doesn't then it's still part of his plan and thank him anyway? Should I thank him for the dead children he orchestrated if it's all part of his plan and he's behind everything? And why is a being older than the universe itself so damn sensitive and desperate for worship? Imagine a person/dictator demanding such praise and then causing babies to die of aids and saying "it's all part of the plan". If God exists and he's indeed all powerful then I'm sorry but he's a proper c***. Also, eternity in hell for being sinful in a 80 year timespan? Seems a bit much doesn't it? Eternity? Chill out God, you made me this way after all.

It doesn't make any sense, why do you feel safer carrying a gun if everyone else is also carrying a gun? Does every gun owner assume they're the best shot in the country? Do they think they're Rambo? It's illegal to carry knives here too, I get into an argument with anyone in my day to day life, if it comes to violence then usually I'm at worst going to get some bruises and a broken nose, nobody is likely to get riddled with bullets because neither party has a f***ing gun whilst nipping down to the shop! Wouldn't a taser work as well? Non lethal but still capable of putting somebody down quickly. Why not carry them?
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Its so sad. My internship for school has me working in a high school and I hear some students talking about school shootings. Police presence has also increased but that'll only last for so long.
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Lol no one is banning guns in any state. Stricter gun laws like te relinquishment of firearms for known criminals or red flag laws. Like if you know someone who suspects is gonna do something dangerious the cops seize their guns without question. Albeit gun related deaths in those states have got lower the violent crime rate is the same as the rest of the country. So like I said those measures are proof to be inefficient

Your right. No mass shooting in England. You got people who strap on bombs in their vest and people who ram into pedestrians and chase them with kitchen knives. Now I have a question for you. Why aren’t the police carrying guns?? It’s their bloody job to protect you from bad peuple right ?

Don’t think you get a loophole just because you’re an atheist now. Whether god exists or not is an argument for another day. But I’ll gve you the benefit of the doubt. Let’s say he doesn’t exist. You think that’ means people don’t have the right to defend themselves either ?

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what is that? Rocket science. A drunk can kill people driving a car. Come on mate. Everyone knows how to drive. Well.. don’t put emphasis on the word “everyone”


So a drunken idiot having an accident and killing or injuring maybe 3-7 people is comparable to a calculated and evil attack on thousands of people where over 500 were injured and over 50 were killed?

Stop trying to act like they're the same or that vehicle attacks happen as often.

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you keep mentioning AR15s.. what’s your point exactly ? First of all guns are killing tools. So if you’re gonna ban one because you think they’re effective at killing. It’s not about the AR15. Its because you want to ban guns.


Because it's easily the most dangerous pedestrian level weapon and seems to get used most of the times because it's ridiculously easy to fire fast or modify with a bump stock??
Not sure if I've ever used the word ban but nice to see you're paranoid.

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Way to go to keep score. Like I said. It’s because you want to ban guns.


Way to respond and make absolutely no point at all "You want to ban guns!" isn't a strong counter argument for anything I've said. It's not a counter argument at all.

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A tyrannical government.


Again see my other topic, that's a f***ing ridiculous thing to worry about. The government has absolutely nothing to gain from that and your s***ty guns would do nothing against them.

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Your right. No mass shooting in England. You got people who strap on bombs in their vest and people who ram into pedestrians and chase them with kitchen knives. Now I have a question for you. Why aren’t the police carrying guns?? It’s their bloody job to protect you from bad peuple right ?


Yeah because something that happens once or twice a year is tooootally comparable to at least bi-weekly attacks by your own damn citizens.
Terrorist attacks from an outside threat are not the same as a constant barrage of crazy citizens.
And also call me next time someone with a knife kills 50 people and injures 500 more.

An 88 year old man fought off a group of like 4 thugs here recently, at least you can defend yourself against a knife.
It was actually 5 https://www.dailywire.com/news/27364/88-year-old-man-fights-five-man-gang-attacking-ryan-saavedra
Now show me someone defending themselves against 5 people with guns, even if they have a gun. I doubt that happens often outside of war.

Also our police are actually competent and can take down people with guns and knives without using any weapons at all, they don't just shoot everything that moves because guns are the easy way out. And there's plenty units that do have weapons when actually needed.
Watch some videos on how our cops are trained.

Also without the toxic gun culture we don't have to live in fear of everyone having a gun, I've never even heard a gunshot except from near a local shooting range.
Because you see we do have guns, we just care about our people more than them.


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Don’t think you get a loophole just because you’re an atheist now. Whether god exists or not is an argument for another day. But I’ll gve you the benefit of the doubt. Let’s say he doesn’t exist. You think that’ means people don’t have the right to defend themselves either ?


It has s*** all to do with God my dude, where does the Bible go on and on about your right to defend yourself with any weapons necessary? That's just some bulls*** your country has fed you to enforce the toxic patriotism over there.
I'm still not sure why the existence of God has any relevance to stopping children being murdered though, I'm especially not sure why God would want you to rant and rave about protecting your inanimate objects over protecting children.
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You see how the anti gun ppl are the most uninformed. There’s plenty rifles that are semi autos. That can carry as much ammo as an AR15. That are just as powerful or more powerful than an AR15. An AR 15 is not an actual military weapon. The military sometimes uses them just because they’re a lighter load. Some other hunting rifles actually have better accuracy and shoot quicker rounds than an AR. Like semi automatic shot guns. A glock 17. (A hand gun)The most common gun in the world has a magazine that can shoot 17 times. The ruger mini 30 is a pretty common hunting rifle. It’s the exact same gun as an AR. BTW it fires the exact same caliber as an AK47.

Correct my arrogance but what did you say about handguns and hunting rifles earlier in the debate?

Granted your 88 year old super hero is the exception not the rule LOL

“Gun kill 50 people cars kill 3-7”. way to keep score. Where’s you get those numbers ? The FBI litterally states that guns actually save 200 000. To 3 million people a year so if your a numbers man feast on that.

Why is god even relevant here ? Lmao I gave you that one mate!! I even said let’s assume he doesn’t exist!! Why are you still debating this. You’ve won the god argument. Quit while you’re ahead. Lmao

First he argues about gun control. Then he’s saying I put words in his mouth.


Alright so just because a tyrannical government won’t happen tomorow there’s absolutley zero threats from any bad guys. It’s all invisible we’re all paranoid. The crime rate is at zero percent Lmao

Terrorism is not a constant threat ? What planet are you from?

Bump stocks are actually on their way to being outlawed anyways.
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You see how the anti gun ppl are the most uninformed. There’s plenty rifles that are semi autos. That can carry as much ammo as an AR15. That are just as powerful or more powerful than an AR15. An AR 15 is not an actual military weapon. The military sometimes uses them just because they’re a lighter load. Some other hunting rifles actually have better accuracy and shoot quicker rounds than an AR. Like semi automatic shot guns. A glock 17. (A hand gun)The most common gun in the world has a magazine that can shoot 17 times. The ruger mini 30 is a pretty common hunting rifle. It’s the exact same gun as an AR. BTW it fires the exact same caliber as an AK47.


Excuse me but where did I say only the AR needs regulated? I'm not sure why you're dwelling on that.
The discussion is about guns, not a specific one. I'm not going to sit and list each and every gun that should be regulated or banned, thank you.

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Correct my arrogance but what did you say about handguns and hunting rifles earlier in the debate?


That they're in the realms of being okay because good luck taking out 50 people with a bolt action rifle, they actually have a use in life, AKA hunting.
Handguns are just obviously less dangerous and no before you say it, I obviously mean weaker ones are less bad not that everyone can go around with 10 Desert Eagles strapped to them at any given time.

That's what regulation entails.

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way to keep score.


You mean like you did in your next sentence?

Way to dodge the loss of life like it doesn't mean anything because it's recorded.
Citations also. And AGAIN that's a vague statistic, does that include police because then that totally voids your argument as law enforcement should obviously still be allowed weapons.


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Terrorism is not a constant threat ? What planet are you from?


School and other mass shootings happen 2 or 3 times a week, terrorist attacks in singular countries do not. 9/11 hardly happens every day does it.

Your own people attack each other more than any actual terrorists do, all this fear of Islam is hilarious when angry white kids are murdering children left and right.
As soon as an attack happens people dive in to the attacker desperate to find if they ever even vaguely mentioned ISIS or that they're part of some white supremacy group, desperate to find a scapegoat because oh lordy guns can't be part of the problem they just can't!

And so the cycle continues and more children will probably be dead tomorrow, maybe the day after since it'll be a school day.
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You see how the anti gun ppl are the most uninformed. There’s plenty rifles that are semi autos. That can carry as much ammo as an AR15. That are just as powerful or more powerful than an AR15. An AR 15 is not an actual military weapon. The military sometimes uses them just because they’re a lighter load. Some other hunting rifles actually have better accuracy and shoot quicker rounds than an AR. Like semi automatic shot guns. A glock 17. (A hand gun)The most common gun in the world has a magazine that can shoot 17 times. The ruger mini 30 is a pretty common hunting rifle. It’s the exact same gun as an AR. BTW it fires the exact same caliber as an AK47.


Excuse me but where did I say only the AR needs regulated? I'm not sure why you're dwelling on that.
The discussion is about guns, not a specific one. I'm not going to sit and list each and every gun that should be regulated or banned, thank you.

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Correct my arrogance but what did you say about handguns and hunting rifles earlier in the debate?


That they're in the realms of being okay because good luck taking out 50 people with a bolt action rifle, they actually have a use in life, AKA hunting.
Handguns are just obviously less dangerous and no before you say it, I obviously mean weaker ones are less bad not that everyone can go around with 10 Desert Eagles strapped to them at any given time.

That's what regulation entails.

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way to keep score.


You mean like you did in your next sentence?

Way to dodge the loss of life like it doesn't mean anything because it's recorded.
Citations also. And AGAIN that's a vague statistic, does that include police because then that totally voids your argument as law enforcement should obviously still be allowed weapons.


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Terrorism is not a constant threat ? What planet are you from?


School and other mass shootings happen 2 or 3 times a week, terrorist attacks in singular countries do not. 9/11 hardly happens every day does it.

Your own people attack each other more than any actual terrorists do, all this fear of Islam is hilarious when angry white kids are murdering children left and right.
As soon as an attack happens people dive in to the attacker desperate to find if they ever even vaguely mentioned ISIS or that they're part of some white supremacy group, desperate to find a scapegoat because oh lordy guns can't be part of the problem they just can't!

And so the cycle continues and more children will probably be dead tomorrow, maybe the day after since it'll be a school day.
I particularly love the final section of your post Steve because it just makes me imagine this guy seriously believes that being able to carry high-caliber weaponry would prevent issues like 9/11 as if anyone would be able to react fast enough to take a shot at a passenger jet, let alone actually bring it down with an infantry weapon.
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I particularly love the final section of your post Steve because it just makes me imagine this guy seriously believes that being able to carry high-caliber weaponry would prevent issues like 9/11 as if anyone would be able to react fast enough to take a shot at a passenger jet, let alone actually bring it down with an infantry weapon.
Considering people think they would ever be able to stand up the government it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there was a group of people who believe that.

"If I was there I'd have shot the pilot and saved everyone!"

But then people on that level probably don't believe 9/11 happened, so who knows.


I wonder just how bad it has to get though, I really thought something might be changed after Vegas, that one was f***ing nuts but it's still only people that kill people, it's not an issue that one man had like 15 guns or anything.
Oh but they're doing something about bump stocks, yay I'm sure that will stop it not like you can still fire a hundred of rounds a minute or anything.

What if people start doing shootings at gun factories, maybe stuff will be changed then. Can't hurt the precious guns.
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I particularly love the final section of your post Steve because it just makes me imagine this guy seriously believes that being able to carry high-caliber weaponry would prevent issues like 9/11 as if anyone would be able to react fast enough to take a shot at a passenger jet, let alone actually bring it down with an infantry weapon.
Considering people think they would ever be able to stand up the government it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there was a group of people who believe that.

"If I was there I'd have shot the pilot and saved everyone!"

But then people on that level probably don't believe 9/11 happened, so who knows.


I wonder just how bad it has to get though, I really thought something might be changed after Vegas, that one was f***ing nuts but it's still only people that kill people, it's not an issue that one man had like 15 guns or anything.
Oh but they're doing something about bump stocks, yay I'm sure that will stop it not like you can still fire a hundred of rounds a minute or anything.

What if people start doing shootings at gun factories, maybe stuff will be changed then. Can't hurt the precious guns.
You should have learned your lesson on American callousness when Sandy Hook happened. We had elementary school kids, mostly second and third graders get f***ing slaughtered en masse. And the only thing that happened was people tried to sweep it under the rug saying it wasn't the right time to politicize it, and so nothing got f***ing done when you had the goddamn President crying on national television because not even he could believe something could be done that heinous. No, instead, we got people believing in crisis actors and what not and harassing the parents of those dead children because it couldn't of possibly happened.

America is sick, like, criminally sick in the head.
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I particularly love the final section of your post Steve because it just makes me imagine this guy seriously believes that being able to carry high-caliber weaponry would prevent issues like 9/11 as if anyone would be able to react fast enough to take a shot at a passenger jet, let alone actually bring it down with an infantry weapon.
Considering people think they would ever be able to stand up the government it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there was a group of people who believe that.

"If I was there I'd have shot the pilot and saved everyone!"

But then people on that level probably don't believe 9/11 happened, so who knows.


I wonder just how bad it has to get though, I really thought something might be changed after Vegas, that one was f***ing nuts but it's still only people that kill people, it's not an issue that one man had like 15 guns or anything.
Oh but they're doing something about bump stocks, yay I'm sure that will stop it not like you can still fire a hundred of rounds a minute or anything.

What if people start doing shootings at gun factories, maybe stuff will be changed then. Can't hurt the precious guns.
You should have learned your lesson on American callousness when Sandy Hook happened. We had elementary school kids, mostly second and third graders get f***ing slaughtered en masse. And the only thing that happened was people tried to sweep it under the rug saying it wasn't the right time to politicize it, and so nothing got f***ing done when you had the goddamn President crying on national television because not even he could believe something could be done that heinous. No, instead, we got people believing in crisis actors and what not and harassing the parents of those dead children because it couldn't of possibly happened.

America is sick, like, criminally sick in the head.
Sad times when a country has Stockholm with itself and an obsession with tools built with the sole purpose of ending lives.
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You should have learned your lesson on American callousness when Sandy Hook happened. We had elementary school kids, mostly second and third graders get f***ing slaughtered en masse. And the only thing that happened was people tried to sweep it under the rug saying it wasn't the right time to politicize it, and so nothing got f***ing done when you had the goddamn President crying on national television because not even he could believe something could be done that heinous. No, instead, we got people believing in crisis actors and what not and harassing the parents of those dead children because it couldn't of possibly happened.

America is sick, like, criminally sick in the head.
But y'all gotta protect yourselves from...the things!


I just don't understand how people can't even accept the slightest restrictions.

Like not even banning guns, you don't even have to mention the word ban and people freak the f*** out "YOU WANT TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY"

No, how about some tests to prove you're not some psychopath...? Unless you are you have nothing to fear.
"Criminals will get guns anyway!" "Knives/Cars kill people, lets ban those too LOL"

Just constant avoidance of actually dealing with anything because what if my toys get taken away!?
All these people claim to be responsible gun owners anyway so why do they get all bent out of shape at the idea of having to prove that...? If you're a lawful citizen your guns would be fine and literally the only outcome is the occasional crazy wouldn't get their hands on a gun and less children would be dead on the streets.

But that reality is somehow more terrifying than every school being a potential war zone.

Sadly this definitely won't change soon with Trump being in the NRA's pocket, hopefully the next President actually cares about the people in the country more than some s***ty wall.
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You litterally posted a video of an AR15 and said “no one needs this “ you said something along the lines of “it’s a dangerous weapon the only guns people should have are rifles or hand guns”. I don’t think you know what you’re even talking about. An AR15 is not a military weapon. An AR15 is actually less dangerous or less powerful than some standard hunting rifles. So sorry if I misunderstood your point. But you can stop talking about AR15s now. I hope you learnt something. Like I said earlier. It’s not that you have something against. AR15s. You have something against guns.

So. I’ll ask you. What should be done about the (quote on quote ) “gun culture” in the USA. You clearly have a problem with. You’ve been ranting. Raging and swearing about it for the past week. Should there be a registry? Should there be a buy back ? Define gun control. Or at least what you think is a sufficient form of gun control. You mentionned Las Vegas. First of all that kind of arsenal is already banned in the USA for private citizens. But I don’t think you knew that either. The floor is yours m’lord.

Oh and btw an act of terrorism can be commuted. Or attempted with a kitchen knife. This one’s for you too arkadom
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Gun control can encompass a lot of things, yeah, but as far as I can tell, the accepted 'definition' in terms of discussing guns in the US is expanded background checks and a review of what weapons should be allowed to be sold. Federally, across the entire US, not just left up to the States.
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I’m asking Steve what measures of gun control would he put in place if he were in charge of the government.
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And handguns are still dangerous but they're in the realms of being okay considering they don't typically have much ammo in them and there's plenty that aren't ridiculously powerful.
You won't find someone performing a repeat of the Vegas shooting with a crappy .45 will you?


This is what I said, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when you can't even be bothered to go check what I actually said.

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An AR15 is not a military weapon. An AR15 is actually less dangerous or less powerful than some standard hunting rifles. So sorry if I misunderstood your point. But you can stop talking about AR15s now. I hope you learnt something. Like I said earlier. It’s not that you have something against. AR15s. You have something against guns.


Did I say it was a military weapon?

You completely miss the point of why an AR is dangerous then, I already mentioned how fast you can shoot.
You can mow down tens of people in seconds, good luck doing that with a bolt action rifle, you'd be lucky to snipe a couple before everyone takes cover.

They're clearly far more dangerous in this context and have absolutely no use outside of it, a hunting rifle is good enough for, y'know, hunting. An AR is just excessive.

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So. I’ll ask you. What should be done about the (quote on quote ) “gun culture” in the USA. You clearly have a problem with. You’ve been ranting. Raging and swearing about it for the past week. Should there be a registry? Should there be a buy back ? Define gun control. Or at least what you think is a sufficient form of gun control. You mentionned Las Vegas. First of all that kind of arsenal is already banned in the USA for private citizens. But I don’t think you knew that either. The floor is yours m’lord.


If I had ultimate control then nobody would have guns besides law enforcement anyway but if we were to just have them regulated.

Psychological and history checks, to make sure someone isn't some kind of f***nut or dangerously stupid.
Training of proper use, too many people lose fingers or end up with dead kids because they leave their guns laying around.
Licenses, obviously.
Ammo counts as well, nobody should be able to buy thousands and thousands of bullets at any given time.
Home checks to see what has been used.

If you're unwilling or unable to put up with any of that you're not a responsible adult and shouldn't own a deadly weapon, simple as. It's not a toy.

Not sure what else, obviously some people would find ways to cheat the system but that's no reason not to do it, that happens with literally everything.
Why have identification if people fake it! That line of logic completely fails.


And also they could start making all guns at least have some sort of locking system, like a combo lock. Don't ask me how the f*** it'd work but I'm sure it's possible. At least then if your crazy son steals your gun and you're not an irresponsible a***** he won't know the code.

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Oh and btw an act of terrorism can be commuted. Or attempted with a kitchen knife. This one’s for you too arkadom


But real life isn't Call of Duty and getting more than a couple of kills with a knife is a major task, if someone has a knife everyone can just gang up on them or a badass old man can f*** them up single handedly.
Not many unarmed people have a chance at running towards gunfire and not coming away looking like Swiss cheese. In fact there are thousands of people who survive multiple stab wounds, there's even a woman who survived 95 in a single attack.
Whereas so far as I can tell the most gunshots survived ever is 27 and that was a Navy SEAL, 11 of those shots hit his body armour too.


I mean literally knife attacks go against any point you try to make with that.

Just look at this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html

So allegedly around 10 people with knives and the death/injury toll isn't even close to the toll done by ONE guy with guns. There's a score for you.
It's ridiculously hard to do the same thing with a knife, not only do you need to be a crazy motherf***er you need to have the stamina to run around, you need to be strong enough to actually injure or kill people, you need to be lucky nobody is an off duty Red beret and as well as that you basically have to want to die because you have almost no chance of escape, whereas shooting a gun in to a crowd is easy as piss and you can do it from hundreds of meters away.
In what way is that even remotely comparable.
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