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| Dankness Lava | Jan 28 2018, 11:53 PM Post #16 |
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Yeah. The only reason Jiren is memorable is because of all the hype surrounding him, and that his face in constantly shoved into ours. |
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| OmegaSaiyan2 | Jan 28 2018, 11:57 PM Post #17 |
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Kefla > Toppo ? Vegeta > Anilaza. |
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| + Emmeth | Jan 29 2018, 01:27 AM Post #18 |
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Kefla wasn't stated to be stronger than any GoD. Surely someone would've pointed that out if it was the case. Jiren (Unseen potential) > UI Goku ~ Jiren (Seen potential) >~ GoD Toppo > SSJ2 Kefla IMO |
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| EMIYA | Jan 29 2018, 03:16 AM Post #19 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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SSJ2 Kefla was outright stated to be stronger than the first time Goku went Ultra Instincts and had the power to defeat a stronger version of UL Goku had she been able to actually land her hits. Her fight with Goku was basically stated to be bringing out more and more power out of her, as well as Goku too. Unless the battle with Vegeta says otherwise, Toppo's probably in the middle ground between KK20 Goku Blue and Ultra Instincts. Considering Goku is noted to have gotten stronger throughout the tournament, we can probably say God of Destruction Toppo is stronger than the initial introduction of KK20 Goku and might even be beyond the Genki-Dama used. However that's still a notable ways off from Ultra Instinct Goku, much less the even more powerful version seen fighting Kefla. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 29 2018, 03:45 AM Post #20 |
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And neither was Toppo. Being GoD tier doesn't mean he is stronger than any of them. Kefla has better feats by far, currently. |
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| + Emmeth | Jan 29 2018, 04:06 AM Post #21 |
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The fact that he's currently a GoD means he's in that range. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 29 2018, 04:21 AM Post #22 |
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He's not. He's in training. |
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| + Emmeth | Jan 29 2018, 04:33 AM Post #23 |
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Destruction power OP. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 29 2018, 07:24 PM Post #24 |
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He does have OP destruction power, but what's to say Kefla gets hit by it or can't find a way through? Sure, she's not the brightest bulb and is remiscent of Gotenks, but she's still an absolute powerhouse. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 29 2018, 11:29 PM Post #25 |
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The spirit bomb shouldn't even be all that. Roshi + Tien + Krillin + 18 + Piccolo + Gohan + 17 + Freeza << Goku ssjbkkX20 it was more the fact it as being pushed by Goku and was comprised of Genki I suppose. The Goku Kefla was fighting was an exhausted shell of his full power, it was only stated he'd fully recovered his stamina recently when he powered up for round two against Jiren. UI Goku was far above Kefla in power but could not attack with that power, only use his advantage in speed and dodging but his attacks were likely no more than ssjbkkx20 tier, if he's incapable of actually using UI attack power and this is stated by Whis but that attack power was still enough to take out Kefla. If Vegeta with all his newfound, shell braking power is going to be having a hard time with Toppo, I don't think they'd do him the discredit of having him lose innitially to somebody weaker than a fighter Goku beat previosuly in this tournament. If Jiren is top dog and Goku is fighting/defeating/lasting against him, then it stands to reason that Vegeta is taking on the second biggest threat in this tournament. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 29 2018, 11:30 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 30 2018, 01:58 AM Post #26 |
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The Genki-Dama used to kill Kid Boo was comprised of the Z-Fighters, Earth, and Otherworld if I remember correctly. It was still enough to obliterate him once Goku had the necessary stamina to push it. The one used against Jiren was made out to be a pretty damn strong one. UI Goku wasn't far above Kefla in power either. I'd argue she was stronger than Goku, in fact, at least in the end when she powered up. His attacks looked like they were overwhelming her, but that's only because of his speed and reaction time being far greater than hers, making her susceptible to his offense. Goku got her by surprise to knock her out, but her final energy attacks were visibly dangerous to him; you can see this when he very narrowly gets his arm out of the way and looks down in shock. Cabba stated Kefla's energy was swelling right before she launched her final twin beam attack, and Beerus said her power could be problematic. SSJ2 Kefla (final assault) > UI Goku (ep. 116) >|| SSJ2 Kefla >~ UI Goku (vs Jiren) >>> SSJ Kefla ~ SSBKK20 Genki-Dama (vs Jiren) God of Destruction Toppo hasn't surpassed any version of UI Goku yet to our knowledge. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 30 2018, 02:23 PM Post #27 |
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But how is the Spirit Bomb stronger than ssjbkkx20 Goku? Ssjb Goku = Golden Freeza = ssjb Vegeta and these are the top powers on universe 7. So ssjb Goku times 20 is 20 times Golden Freeza. Freeza + 17 + Gohan + Piccolo + 18 + Krillin + Tien + Roshi does not equal 20 Golden Freezas, however all that power combined into one attack being pushed by ssjbkkx20 Goku is still a formidable blast because usually a fighter doesn't unleash all of their power into one attack. Spirit Bomb < Kefla's potential full power But every casual ki blast and kick by Kefla isn't going to be at the level of that spirit bomb because then she'd be exhausted pretty quickly. Vegeta is far below that Spirit Bomb and yet his Final Flash still impressed Jiren somewhat and was regarded by many to be an actual potential threat. Does that mean Vegeta is stronger than the spirit bomb too? Well no. So none of those statements really prove anything about a character's power in an ongoing fight, just how much they can pump into one big blast, potentially, given the opportunity, if they were able to gather their full power into one focal point and then topple over exhausted. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 30 2018, 02:33 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 30 2018, 09:03 PM Post #28 |
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It doesn't matter if those people collectively don't equal 20 Golden Freezas. It's not raw energy being gathered. Gohan by himself wasn't enough to completely annihilate Kid Boo, after all. How are you getting Kefla's "potential full power" out of what Whis said? He directly stated she was comparable to the Genki-Dama as a Super Saiyan. There wasn't any hypothetical involved. I mean, I don't really understand what the exhaustion has to do with it. If a fighter is at a certain level of power, that's where they are. They don't have a peak and then lower themselves with each "normal" attack. The thing with Kefla is that she powered up and that's what Cabba and Beerus were talking about. Kefla gathered her attack after she had powered up. Her fully unleashed Super Saiyan 2 power was at worst equal to UI Goku, who was even stronger than against Jiren before. Vegeta's Final Flash usually has a huge amp, so it could very well have been above the Genki-Dama, but he himself might not be. It depends on how strong you believe Goku to be at this point. What exactly does Toppo have that puts him above her? He has no feats thus far. I don't remember the statements for him, though. Edited by Pyrus, Jan 30 2018, 09:06 PM.
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 30 2018, 09:35 PM Post #29 |
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I'm not saying Kefla's not stronger, I'm saying the bomb itself isn't above ssjbkkx20 Goku, it's just a very large attack. Powered up Kefla is above the spirit bomb as is ssjbkkx20 Goku but every normal punch and kick they throw isn't above the spirit bomb just because their maximum output is, that's my point. Vegeta's Final Flash could compete because it was everything he had but a punch or kick from him is nothing to Jiren and this is the same situation. Kefla knocked Goku out with a kick but her kick isn't at the level of the spirit bomb, it wasn't charged or powered up. Toppo has the feat of being a destroyer god, he is that tier and the only character above a destroyer is Jiren. UI Goku < Jiren (power shown against Goku) < any destroyer level character (which now includes Toppo) < Jiren's full power Only Jiren has surpassed a god, not Kefla. Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 30 2018, 09:35 PM.
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| EMIYA | Jan 30 2018, 09:39 PM Post #30 |
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The bomb would have to be above KK20 Goku. That's the whole point of using it. It was a last ditch move when KK20 blue had failed. |
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