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1% beerus vs ssj4 gogeta.
Topic Started: Jan 26 2018, 02:29 PM (2,251 Views)
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Jan 26 2018, 06:22 PM
Gogeta stomps even a 400% Beerus
Only 400%? Not even a thousand Beerus would be able to get the job done.
Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 26 2018, 06:33 PM.
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Okay, I'm being serious now. If GT does take place after Super, then why does nobody use Super Saiyan Blue? Why does nobody use Ultra Instinct? Why does nobody mention Beerus, Jiren, Angels, Gods of Destruction, or any of that s***? Why are Pilaf, Shu and Mai elderly? Why doesn't Freeza use his golden form in hell?

The answer is simple: Super's writers are ignoring GT completely, and I don't think there were any time travelers in GT's creative team that could gather information about a midquel that would be released almost two decades after the end of their series. I don't understand how the possiblity of them taking place in the same continuity can even be entertained.
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Jan 26 2018, 08:16 PM
Okay, I'm being serious now. If GT does take place after Super, then why does nobody use Super Saiyan Blue? Why does nobody use Ultra Instinct? Why does nobody mention Beerus, Jiren, Angels, Gods of Destruction, or any of that s***? Why are Pilaf, Shu and Mai elderly? Why doesn't Freeza use his golden form in hell?

The answer is simple: Super's writers are ignoring GT completely, and I don't think there were any time travelers in GT's creative team that could gather information about a midquel that would be released almost two decades after the end of their series. I don't understand how the possiblity of them taking place in the same continuity can even be entertained.
Exactly, and this is why it destroys the one and only argument for GT being stronger than Super, namely "GT takes place after Super"

With that out of the way, GT chars are only stronger than Buu saga chars to boot, Super is the same. But why does Super stomps GT ?

Because GT has no UNIVERSAL CHARACTER. Pure and simple. Super had characters able to punch the universe to its death from episode 10 onwards, and it's a series with 100+ episodes with chars constantly getting stronger.
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yellow magic orchestra
Jan 26 2018, 08:16 PM
Okay, I'm being serious now. If GT does take place after Super, then why does nobody use Super Saiyan Blue? Why does nobody use Ultra Instinct? Why does nobody mention Beerus, Jiren, Angels, Gods of Destruction, or any of that s***? Why are Pilaf, Shu and Mai elderly? Why doesn't Freeza use his golden form in hell?

The answer is simple: Super's writers are ignoring GT completely, and I don't think there were any time travelers in GT's creative team that could gather information about a midquel that would be released almost two decades after the end of their series. I don't understand how the possiblity of them taking place in the same continuity can even be entertained.
There are also age problems between uub, bulla and pan.

Kabito kai being defused.

And im sure there are others but you hit most of them on the head. Lol.
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Jan 26 2018, 04:47 PM
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Jan 26 2018, 04:10 PM
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Jan 26 2018, 04:05 PM
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Jan 26 2018, 03:54 PM
Super Baby Vegeta 1 is stronger than anyone in Dragonball Super.

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps him with hilarious ease.
Please explain
BeKause GT haPpens afTer SUper HUR DURR

No seriously, that's like the only reason as to why "GT is > Super" despite them happening in different continuities.
Super fanboys are such children. You all accept the blatant buffonery that has become the DB Super powerscaling (i.e. SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than Super Vegito "becuz he get maddz", Android 17 as strong as Super Saiyan Blue from working as a Park Ranger, Base Kefla being stronger than Merged Zamasu) simply because you're incapable of acknowledging fault in a media you enjoy. Yet, when people cite GT's similarly ludicrous powerscaling, you get butthurt and claim "different continuities." Not gonna happen, as DB Super leaks have shown that Uub is canonical, thus the events of GT are to be treated as such.

Thank god this awful show is ending.
Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta was never once said to be stronger than super vegito, it was stated his power was greater than that of a SSJ3, barely, and briefly. 17, again was never stated to be SSJ Blue level, nor was it implied. Using the claim that because Goku used SSJ Blue against 17, makes him on par. Is the same as saying since Goku used SSJ Blue against Krillin, that Krillin is around SSJ Blue level. Indeed 17's increase in power doesn't make much sense, it was no where near SSJ Blue level. A DBS writer, when listing the ranking for the universe 7 members, Android 17 and Gohan tied. This isn't Toriyama, granted, but this is a reliable source, and thus far it adds up. As for your claim that Base Kefla is stronger than Merged Zamasu is stupid, when goku and vegeta fought Merged Zamasu they got their a***'s handed to them, and needed damn Vegito to handle him. And that didn't necessarily work. Where when Kefla (SSJ2) fought Ultra Instinct Goku, which, when using power scaling could be around Vegito Blue and Beerus level, Whis said Jiren could be the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction, this isn't proof he's stronger than beerus, or even belma. But Whis had to of made that observation from something, and considering who Whis is, i'd say he's rather reliable. And since jiren is around God of Destruction level, Ultra Instinct was a match for him. In the manga Shin stated that Vegito Blue's power was very close, if not stronger than Beerus'. Again, not definite proof, and it's also from the manga. But it's still safe to assume that Vegito is around Beerus level. Making Vegito Blue, and Ultra Instinct arguably around the same, one maybe being stronger than the other. Ultra Instinct Goku destroyed SSJ2 Kefla, whereas Vegito Blue didn't even manage to defeat Merged Zamasu. Even if Ultra Instinct is stronger, this is SSJ2 Kefla, far from base of which you claimed stronger. There are much better examples, why did you choose such idiotic and unsupported ones.
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Beerus still effortlessly one shots SSJ4 Gogeta, BoG Arc God Goku should already be above SSJ4 Gogeta, Current Base Goku in the ToP is over 10x stronger then that God Goku, give him SSJ3 and even Current ToP SSJ3 Goku would already be over 4,000x stronger then BoG God Goku, then even if we say Blue is only 10x stronger then SSJ3, then that would make ToP Blue Goku over 40,000x stronger then BoG God Goku, give him KK x20, then KK x20 Blue Goku would be over 800,000x stronger then BoG God Goku O_O

Only clue we have to compare Beerus to Current Goku is that the Manga Implies Vegito Blue to be Beerus level or stronger, only thing we have to go off of, DBZ Base Vegito is stated to at least be superior to DBZ SSJ3 Goku, meaning Vegito is over 400x stronger then Goku, bare minimum, so Vegito Blue would then be over 400x stronger then Blue Goku, so if ToP Blue Goku is over 40,000x stronger then BoG God Goku, then multiply that by 400 and you have Vegito Blue being over 16,000,000x stronger then BoG God Goku XD

So if Beerus is relative in power to Vegito Blue, then Beerus at his full power would be over 400x stronger then Current Blue Goku and over 20x stronger then KK x20 Blue Goku at bare minimum, so if 100% Beerus is over 16,000,000x stronger then BoG Arc God Goku, then 1% Beerus would still be 160,000x stronger then that God Goku, and by extension SSJ4 Gogeta

So technically Beerus at 1% of his power would be much stronger then he was during his fight with God Goku in BoG, when he nullified an attack capable of destroying the Universe and turned it into nothing, The Universal Spirit Bomb which is possibly already more powerful then SSJ4 Gogeta is also a Universal attack, so Beerus could also possibly nullify the strongest attack in GT and turn it into nothing, Beerus is just on another level compared to anything in GT, he is a monster, so again, i have Beerus one shotting SSJ4 Gogeta, or just flat out Hakai him out of existence
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GT ≠ Super. Never was, never is, never will.

That said, 1% of Beerus' power is still likely far above SSJ4 Gogeta, unfortunately. Super's scale is so bloated due to Kaio-Ken that it's amazing these guys haven't made the universe implode just by standing next to one another.
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Pyrus
Jan 27 2018, 02:28 AM
GT ≠ Super. Never was, never is, never will.

That said, 1% of Beerus' power is still likely far above SSJ4 Gogeta, unfortunately. Super's scale is so bloated due to Kaio-Ken that it's amazing these guys haven't made the universe implode just by standing next to one another.
It honestly should be that easy given how ridiculously strong DBS characters seem to be XD
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Hurdan
Jan 26 2018, 11:05 PM
Vance
Jan 26 2018, 04:47 PM
Notaka
Jan 26 2018, 04:10 PM
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Jan 26 2018, 04:05 PM
Vance
Jan 26 2018, 03:54 PM
Super Baby Vegeta 1 is stronger than anyone in Dragonball Super.

SSJ4 Gogeta stomps him with hilarious ease.
Please explain
BeKause GT haPpens afTer SUper HUR DURR

No seriously, that's like the only reason as to why "GT is > Super" despite them happening in different continuities.
Super fanboys are such children. You all accept the blatant buffonery that has become the DB Super powerscaling (i.e. SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than Super Vegito "becuz he get maddz", Android 17 as strong as Super Saiyan Blue from working as a Park Ranger, Base Kefla being stronger than Merged Zamasu) simply because you're incapable of acknowledging fault in a media you enjoy. Yet, when people cite GT's similarly ludicrous powerscaling, you get butthurt and claim "different continuities." Not gonna happen, as DB Super leaks have shown that Uub is canonical, thus the events of GT are to be treated as such.

Thank god this awful show is ending.
Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta was never once said to be stronger than super vegito, it was stated his power was greater than that of a SSJ3, barely, and briefly. 17, again was never stated to be SSJ Blue level, nor was it implied. Using the claim that because Goku used SSJ Blue against 17, makes him on par. Is the same as saying since Goku used SSJ Blue against Krillin, that Krillin is around SSJ Blue level. Indeed 17's increase in power doesn't make much sense, it was no where near SSJ Blue level. A DBS writer, when listing the ranking for the universe 7 members, Android 17 and Gohan tied. This isn't Toriyama, granted, but this is a reliable source, and thus far it adds up. As for your claim that Base Kefla is stronger than Merged Zamasu is stupid, when goku and vegeta fought Merged Zamasu they got their a***'s handed to them, and needed damn Vegito to handle him. And that didn't necessarily work. Where when Kefla (SSJ2) fought Ultra Instinct Goku, which, when using power scaling could be around Vegito Blue and Beerus level, Whis said Jiren could be the mortal stronger than a God of Destruction, this isn't proof he's stronger than beerus, or even belma. But Whis had to of made that observation from something, and considering who Whis is, i'd say he's rather reliable. And since jiren is around God of Destruction level, Ultra Instinct was a match for him. In the manga Shin stated that Vegito Blue's power was very close, if not stronger than Beerus'. Again, not definite proof, and it's also from the manga. But it's still safe to assume that Vegito is around Beerus level. Making Vegito Blue, and Ultra Instinct arguably around the same, one maybe being stronger than the other. Ultra Instinct Goku destroyed SSJ2 Kefla, whereas Vegito Blue didn't even manage to defeat Merged Zamasu. Even if Ultra Instinct is stronger, this is SSJ2 Kefla, far from base of which you claimed stronger. There are much better examples, why did you choose such idiotic and unsupported ones.
I mean 17 blocked a full power Blue kamea wave
And was able to keep toppo in his barrier as well and toppo is around 2x blue.

So if he is not near blue then i guess neither is anyone else.
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Make Beerus use the 1% of his 1%. he would still one shot SSJ4 Gogeta.
Edited by OmegaSaiyan2, Jan 29 2018, 12:03 AM.
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1% Beerus ~ SSJB Goku (TOP)> SSJB x10 KK Goku (Black arc)> SSJB x10 KK Goku (U6 tournament)>>> SSJB Goku (RoF arc)>>>>>> base Goku (RoF arc)> SSJG Goku (BoG)> SSJ4 Gogeta (SD arc)

Lol the most boring fight ever. Beerus eyeblinks him out of existince.
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Lmao the longer super goes the more people low ball GT
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It's not low-balling. Super just keeps bloating its powerscale with Kaio-Ken and random power-ups. GT can't keep up because it's most random power-up was Super Saiyan 4.
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Feb 2 2018, 02:22 AM
It's not low-balling. Super just keeps bloating its powerscale with Kaio-Ken and random power-ups. GT can't keep up because it's most random power-up was Super Saiyan 4.
Yeah out of dB,dbz,dbs and gt dragon ball super has the worst power scale I ever seen. And it’s all because that base goku and vegeta theory
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Gogeta probably loses. A more interesting match is if the powers are on an equal plane.
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