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| superperfectnerd | Jan 24 2018, 12:28 PM Post #16 |
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Exactly, plus Cell was excited to fight Goku, why would he be excited if he's over ten to fifty times stronger than Goku himself? Fpssj Goku <<<< fpssj Gohan (fifty times Goku without knowing it) < perfect Cell Plus all the gaps seem minor and everyone hitting their ceilings in this arc, if Gohan can be fifty times his dad then why opt to not use the ROSAT for the whole two years and get Gohan even stronger by far? Ssj2 is only a two times boost and for that to be a big game changer at this pont then everyone has to be relatively close together. |
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| EMIYA | Jan 24 2018, 01:11 PM Post #17 |
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Cell already knows he's far more powerful than Goku, all he has to do is just lower himself down to his level. When Gohan comes up with, in this scenario, a 50x or hell even higher power level, 100x, 500x, etc. Cell can just power up then as we know he's been holding back and then fight Gohan. The notion is that no matter how outlandish it is, as long as the scenario is vague enough, it can happen. Goku was counting on Gohan's rage. He knew that even if Gohan was 50x stronger than him, he'd have no chance against Cell and needed his rage? As I said, it doesn't matter how outlandish it is as long as the scenario remains vague enough. You can't just say that because the numbers are too big, it can't work. You got to give me statements and points that say it can't happen. Cell was 1-2 steps a head of Goku and even after being severely weakened, was willing to give him a Senzu and continue fighting. Cell took a Senzu, powered up and couldn't even hit Gohan until he used his true speed and even afterwards, couldn't even hurt the kid. Give me one statement that says Gohan can't be 50x stronger here? Cell was already made a note that Gohan was stronger and admitted it himself that Goku wasn't entirely bluffing. He eats a Senzu and seems to power up so we can easily make the argument that Cell is stronger than he was against Goku but still can't touch or hurt Gohan. There's no point in using a high percentage since lower ones work just as well, but tell me why it can't happen? Now mind you, this is for the Cell games. The amplification for the Boo Arc doesn't need to be the same. The fact that it seems to be lower, gives you a chance to lower it down in the Cell Games as well. So the main question is, what says Gohan CAN'T be 50x stronger or really any number of times stronger? |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 25 2018, 01:59 AM Post #18 |
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Nothing outright states it but I don't think any ssj has been fifty times stronger (an entire ssj transformation) above another ssj and logic still applies, whether there is or isn't a solid statement to back something up. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim and I'm aware that works both ways. My proof is that Gohan didn't realise he was 50 times stronger than his father after sparring with him continuously for almost a year. I don't think that's likely. Goku can overcome a small gap with his skill, so keeping Gohan in the dark would be easier then and Gohan would just think his dad doesn't even need his full power to match him but 50 times? And remember assj Vegeta manages to stun Cell somewhat, it isn't a lapse in concentration that allows Gohan to win that, Vegeta actually inflicts a level of discomfort which stops Cell's full power. Assj Vegeta < fpssj Goku <<<<<<X50<<<<<< fpssj Gohan < Perfect Cell <X2< ssj2 Gohan = Super Perfect Cell and yet Vegeta can do something to Cell with his max power level raised blasting at Gohan? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 25 2018, 07:28 AM Post #19 |
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Base Goku >~< #16, bare minimum for me considering Base Goten/Trunks ~ #18 bare minimum in my book too. Yakon strips #17 down to his skivvies, drapes him in special gravy, and then consumes him slowly. |
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| Notaka | Jan 25 2018, 08:40 AM Post #20 |
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Firm believer of Frieza > Base Saiyans here. Yakon gets murdered. Plus he has 800 kili, and according to a V-jump issue a kili is 50,000 in scouter units, which would make Yakon have a powerlevel of 40,000,000. He gets beaten by 50% Frieza, and his powerlevel is more or less a tenth of 17's. |
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