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Who’s the best all around warrior and why?
Hit 4 (50%)
Dyspo 0 (0%)
Trunks 0 (0%)
Gohan 1 (12.5%)
Frieza 2 (25%)
Pirina 1 (12.5%)
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Who’s the best all around warrior and why?
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Who’s the best all around warriors and why ? If theses five warriors was to one vs one each other who would come out as the winner the most?
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Hit will manage to adapt and beat everyone except maybe Frieza and Gohan. I think it comes down to Hit and Frieza, and Frieza just barely edges out here because he's EXTREMELY quick to learn and deal with any technique.
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Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
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Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
Hit dose not get stronger only the time he can time skip dose. And that wont help if you are equal to him which gives you the power to break it goku proved that. And i have freiza > hit.

Id say freiza is number one as he was able to see through dyspo much faster then Hit. Was able to counter IT with ease. Can match goku and vegeta in both raw skill and experience. Shows no mercy or honor when it comes to killing and fighting where the others have all been shown to do or the ones i think are in the running for top spot.
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Jan 26 2018, 08:34 AM
Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
Hit dose not get stronger only the time he can time skip dose. And that wont help if you are equal to him which gives you the power to break it goku proved that. And i have freiza > hit.

Id say freiza is number one as he was able to see through dyspo much faster then Hit. Was able to counter IT with ease. Can match goku and vegeta in both raw skill and experience. Shows no mercy or honor when it comes to killing and fighting where the others have all been shown to do or the ones i think are in the running for top spot.
No they flat out say that Hit gets stronger the more he fights: From Episode 39:
 08:57 | Vegeta: "So that scream really {\i1}did{\i0} trigger a power-up!"
 09:02 | Whis: "No."
 09:03 | Vados: "That was probably just him trying to look the part."
 09:07 | Vados: "Hit decided to mimic what Goku-san was doing."
 09:15 | Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
 09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
 09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

The same episode; hit says that when he grew stronger, his time skip extended:

 09:33 | Piccolo: "Hit outright grew and developed in such a short time?"
 09:42 | Hit: "Growth... I had never considered it before. There was no need to."
 09:52 | Hit: "But seeing you, I realized there are even greater heights to reach."
 09:59 | Hit: "And indeed, I was able to extend my time-skip to 0.2 seconds."
 10:05 | Kuririn: "E-Extend his time-skip?!"

Goku says that Hit's [Powered up] Attack hurts, saying that his blows got stronger:
12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
 12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
 12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
 12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."


It does work on equal opponent, hell it worked against Jiren who was a s***ton stronger. You'd need to intercept his timeskip, but it'd be hard considering it extends, and if you were equal at first, he's getting stronger and faster than you.

I admit Frieza might be a better fighter than Hit, but Hit can grow stronger and has timeskip at disposal. Also I think Hit > Goku, because Hit was able to fare against Jiren better than KKx20 SSJB Goku and Golden Frieza is more or less equal to Regular SSJB Goku.
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Hit is the only one on this list with any kind of distinguishable martial arts skillset. Everyone else may have an ability or quirk of some kind, but they're usually not a complete overhaul of the choreographical rhythm of a fighter's style. Hit's Time-Skip coupled with the Phoenix Eye Fist makes him the most dangerous person to fight. Pirina could counteract the fist with his regeneration, but it would drain a good deal of stamina from him. Most of the others don't have the inhuman anatomical resilience to handle their internal organs being attacked by Hit's Dim Mak. Freeza would be one exception but the others? No.
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Jan 26 2018, 08:34 AM
Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
Hit dose not get stronger only the time he can time skip dose. And that wont help if you are equal to him which gives you the power to break it goku proved that. And i have freiza > hit.

Id say freiza is number one as he was able to see through dyspo much faster then Hit. Was able to counter IT with ease. Can match goku and vegeta in both raw skill and experience. Shows no mercy or honor when it comes to killing and fighting where the others have all been shown to do or the ones i think are in the running for top spot.
No they flat out say that Hit gets stronger the more he fights: From Episode 39:
 08:57 | Vegeta: "So that scream really {\i1}did{\i0} trigger a power-up!"
 09:02 | Whis: "No."
 09:03 | Vados: "That was probably just him trying to look the part."
 09:07 | Vados: "Hit decided to mimic what Goku-san was doing."
 09:15 | Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
 09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
 09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

The same episode; hit says that when he grew stronger, his time skip extended:

 09:33 | Piccolo: "Hit outright grew and developed in such a short time?"
 09:42 | Hit: "Growth... I had never considered it before. There was no need to."
 09:52 | Hit: "But seeing you, I realized there are even greater heights to reach."
 09:59 | Hit: "And indeed, I was able to extend my time-skip to 0.2 seconds."
 10:05 | Kuririn: "E-Extend his time-skip?!"

Goku says that Hit's [Powered up] Attack hurts, saying that his blows got stronger:
12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
 12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
 12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
 12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."


It does work on equal opponent, hell it worked against Jiren who was a s***ton stronger. You'd need to intercept his timeskip, but it'd be hard considering it extends, and if you were equal at first, he's getting stronger and faster than you.

I admit Frieza might be a better fighter than Hit, but Hit can grow stronger and has timeskip at disposal. Also I think Hit > Goku, because Hit was able to fare against Jiren better than KKx20 SSJB Goku and Golden Frieza is more or less equal to Regular SSJB Goku.
Ok so even if he dose grow stronger it is nothing significant enough to close the gap on freiza. It did not help hit what so ever in his second fight with goku it wont help here.
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Jan 26 2018, 08:34 AM
Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
Hit dose not get stronger only the time he can time skip dose. And that wont help if you are equal to him which gives you the power to break it goku proved that. And i have freiza > hit.

Id say freiza is number one as he was able to see through dyspo much faster then Hit. Was able to counter IT with ease. Can match goku and vegeta in both raw skill and experience. Shows no mercy or honor when it comes to killing and fighting where the others have all been shown to do or the ones i think are in the running for top spot.
No they flat out say that Hit gets stronger the more he fights: From Episode 39:
 08:57 | Vegeta: "So that scream really {\i1}did{\i0} trigger a power-up!"
 09:02 | Whis: "No."
 09:03 | Vados: "That was probably just him trying to look the part."
 09:07 | Vados: "Hit decided to mimic what Goku-san was doing."
 09:15 | Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
 09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
 09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

The same episode; hit says that when he grew stronger, his time skip extended:

 09:33 | Piccolo: "Hit outright grew and developed in such a short time?"
 09:42 | Hit: "Growth... I had never considered it before. There was no need to."
 09:52 | Hit: "But seeing you, I realized there are even greater heights to reach."
 09:59 | Hit: "And indeed, I was able to extend my time-skip to 0.2 seconds."
 10:05 | Kuririn: "E-Extend his time-skip?!"

Goku says that Hit's [Powered up] Attack hurts, saying that his blows got stronger:
12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
 12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
 12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
 12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."


It does work on equal opponent, hell it worked against Jiren who was a s***ton stronger. You'd need to intercept his timeskip, but it'd be hard considering it extends, and if you were equal at first, he's getting stronger and faster than you.

I admit Frieza might be a better fighter than Hit, but Hit can grow stronger and has timeskip at disposal. Also I think Hit > Goku, because Hit was able to fare against Jiren better than KKx20 SSJB Goku and Golden Frieza is more or less equal to Regular SSJB Goku.
Ok so even if he dose grow stronger it is nothing significant enough to close the gap on freiza. It did not help hit what so ever in his second fight with goku it wont help here.
You're saying like there's a huge power gap between Frieza and hit. There isn't, if anything Hit is the stronger of the two because of how he fared against Jiren better than Goku if Frieza is more or less Goku's level.

Assuming there is, Frieza would most likely drag out the fight to torture Hit, at which point hit would turn the fight upside down.
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Jan 26 2018, 08:34 AM
Hit. Ability to stop time and has a zenkai on steroid as he gets stronger the more he fights, not to mention that he is a very skilled assassin and fighter with an analytical mind.

Only way to beat this guy is to be massively stronger than him and finish the fight quickly.
Hit dose not get stronger only the time he can time skip dose. And that wont help if you are equal to him which gives you the power to break it goku proved that. And i have freiza > hit.

Id say freiza is number one as he was able to see through dyspo much faster then Hit. Was able to counter IT with ease. Can match goku and vegeta in both raw skill and experience. Shows no mercy or honor when it comes to killing and fighting where the others have all been shown to do or the ones i think are in the running for top spot.
No they flat out say that Hit gets stronger the more he fights: From Episode 39:
 08:57 | Vegeta: "So that scream really {\i1}did{\i0} trigger a power-up!"
 09:02 | Whis: "No."
 09:03 | Vados: "That was probably just him trying to look the part."
 09:07 | Vados: "Hit decided to mimic what Goku-san was doing."
 09:15 | Hit: "Unlike you Saiyans, I can't transform to power up,"
 09:22 | Hit: "which left me with only one way to become stronger..."
 09:30 | Piccolo: "G-Growth...

The same episode; hit says that when he grew stronger, his time skip extended:

 09:33 | Piccolo: "Hit outright grew and developed in such a short time?"
 09:42 | Hit: "Growth... I had never considered it before. There was no need to."
 09:52 | Hit: "But seeing you, I realized there are even greater heights to reach."
 09:59 | Hit: "And indeed, I was able to extend my time-skip to 0.2 seconds."
 10:05 | Kuririn: "E-Extend his time-skip?!"

Goku says that Hit's [Powered up] Attack hurts, saying that his blows got stronger:
12:24 | Goku: "Hit's powered up attack really hurt."
 12:31 | Goku: "I can only take a couple more of 'em at best."
 12:35 | Goku: "But... That's all I need."
 12:41 | Goku: "0.2 seconds... Ain't nothing I can't handle."


It does work on equal opponent, hell it worked against Jiren who was a s***ton stronger. You'd need to intercept his timeskip, but it'd be hard considering it extends, and if you were equal at first, he's getting stronger and faster than you.

I admit Frieza might be a better fighter than Hit, but Hit can grow stronger and has timeskip at disposal. Also I think Hit > Goku, because Hit was able to fare against Jiren better than KKx20 SSJB Goku and Golden Frieza is more or less equal to Regular SSJB Goku.
Ok so even if he dose grow stronger it is nothing significant enough to close the gap on freiza. It did not help hit what so ever in his second fight with goku it wont help here.
You're saying like there's a huge power gap between Frieza and hit. There isn't, if anything Hit is the stronger of the two because of how he fared against Jiren better than Goku if Frieza is more or less Goku's level.

Assuming there is, Frieza would most likely drag out the fight to torture Hit, at which point hit would turn the fight upside down.
Hit only did well against jiren because he constantly used time skip and used the time cage which did not help him what so ever in that fight. And i dont go off that fight as jirens fights are on the harder side of things to calculate because how much it fluctuates. The dyspo fights are a much more accurate for determining power.

Blue goku = golden freiza

Blue goku runs through landmines which hit was afraid to.

Before seeing how dyspo fought he got slaughtered by dyspo and even after seeing how he fought had a somewhat rough time.

Golden freiza completely smashed the same dyspo. Forced dyspo to use his ultimate technique. Even after dyspos onslaught he had little to no visable signs of damage. Hit on the other hand was hurt by a much slower and id imagine weaker dyspo.

Dyspo was faster then hit even when hit saw how dyspo fought. Freiza was said to be faster then that same dyspo

Gohan saw how dyspo fought and did just as well as hit did when he saw it. God goku was able to keep up with dyspo. So id say since hit and gohan did slightly better they are in the realm of ssj god maybe 2x god at most.

I have ssj god to ssj blue a 50x multiplier going off kefla stuff and its description. So at least hit is about 25x weaker then freiza and goku at most 50x.

On a side note i dont think hit is an amazing fighter. He is good but he relies to much on his time skip as shown in the jiren fight and even dyspo fight.
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Hit only did well against jiren because he constantly used time skip and used the time cage which did not help him what so ever in that fight. And i dont go off that fight as jirens fights are on the harder side of things to calculate because how much it fluctuates. The dyspo fights are a much more accurate for determining power.


1-What's stopping him from constantly using the time skip against Frieza?
2-Jiren started having trouble against the time skip, since hit did get a punch on him and almost knocked him off. Frieza would be turned into a fine pasted if confronted against Jiren, which is why Frieza decided to avoid conflict with him.
3-Hit beat the s*** out of Dyspo and almost disqualified him once he figured it out his trick. Frieza had to cooperate with Gohan to beat him

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Blue goku = golden freiza


So is Hit too. Actually scratch that, Hit is even stronger because he lasted longer than Kaioken Goku.
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Blue goku runs through landmines which hit was afraid to.


It's called being careful and pragmatic, no connections with power whatsoever.

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Before seeing how dyspo fought he got slaughtered by dyspo and even after seeing how he fought had a somewhat rough time.


At first. Once Hit figured out his trick the battle completely turned into his favor.


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Golden freiza completely smashed the same dyspo. Forced dyspo to use his ultimate technique. Even after dyspos onslaught he had little to no visable signs of damage. Hit on the other hand was hurt by a much slower and id imagine weaker dyspo.


Watch the video I posted. Hit completely SMASHES Dyspo. and you got it backwards, Hit was demolishing a healthier Dyspo, therefore a stronger one. Not a faster one sure, but Frieza was getting dominated once Dyspo got his power so by comparison:
Hit did much better against Dyspo than Frieza.
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Dyspo was faster then hit even when hit saw how dyspo fought. Freiza was said to be faster then that same dyspo


Dyspo is faster than hit only when he amplifies his speed, otherwise Hit was too fast for him. And no it's not the same dyspo, it's a dyspo that much more tired because of the fighting.The Dyspo Hit fought was fresh since it was just in the early stages of the tournament.

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Gohan saw how dyspo fought and did just as well as hit did when he saw it. God goku was able to keep up with dyspo. So id say since hit and gohan did slightly better they are in the realm of ssj god maybe 2x god at most.


No way, Hit and Gohan are in blue territory. I don't know about Gohan since it's debatable, but Hit definitely is. Compare Goku's fight without UI against Jiren with Hit vs Jiren. You see Hit was able to hold against Jiren longer, and managed to hit while it took Goku UI to even land a blow on Jiren.

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I have ssj god to ssj blue a 50x multiplier going off kefla stuff and its description. So at least hit is about 25x weaker then freiza and goku at most 50x.


No it means hit is more than 50x SSJG Goku if we're going by your logic. Like I said, Compare Goku vs Jiren and Hit vs Jiren and you see that outside of UI Goku vs Jiren, Hit fared much better.

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On a side note i dont think hit is an amazing fighter. He is good but he relies to much on his time skip as shown in the jiren fight and even dyspo fight.


Sorry to say this but your opinion is objectively wrong. He's noted to be a skilled assassin and martial artist in-universe, managed to trick Dyspo by abusing his hearing. And against Jiren everything goes, that guy can't be beat in raw power. Would Frieza fare much better against Jiren than Hit did ? No because Frieza avoided Jiren at all costs.

I mean what advantage does Frieza have over hit? He can't stop time like hit, he doesn't get stronger while fighting, and his only real advantage is the fighting intelligence which is arguable since Hit is also a fighting genius.

Hit is way too hax when on equal footing, it took Goku to become 10x stronger just to stand up to him in their fight and he still lost.
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Hit only did well against jiren because he constantly used time skip and used the time cage which did not help him what so ever in that fight. And i dont go off that fight as jirens fights are on the harder side of things to calculate because how much it fluctuates. The dyspo fights are a much more accurate for determining power.


1-What's stopping him from constantly using the time skip against Frieza?
2-Jiren started having trouble against the time skip, since hit did get a punch on him and almost knocked him off. Frieza would be turned into a fine pasted if confronted against Jiren, which is why Frieza decided to avoid conflict with him.
3-Hit beat the s*** out of Dyspo and almost disqualified him once he figured it out his trick. Frieza had to cooperate with Gohan to beat him

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Blue goku = golden freiza


So is Hit too. Actually scratch that, Hit is even stronger because he lasted longer than Kaioken Goku.
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Blue goku runs through landmines which hit was afraid to.


It's called being careful and pragmatic, no connections with power whatsoever.

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Before seeing how dyspo fought he got slaughtered by dyspo and even after seeing how he fought had a somewhat rough time.


At first. Once Hit figured out his trick the battle completely turned into his favor.


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Golden freiza completely smashed the same dyspo. Forced dyspo to use his ultimate technique. Even after dyspos onslaught he had little to no visable signs of damage. Hit on the other hand was hurt by a much slower and id imagine weaker dyspo.


Watch the video I posted. Hit completely SMASHES Dyspo. and you got it backwards, Hit was demolishing a healthier Dyspo, therefore a stronger one. Not a faster one sure, but Frieza was getting dominated once Dyspo got his power so by comparison:
Hit did much better against Dyspo than Frieza.
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Dyspo was faster then hit even when hit saw how dyspo fought. Freiza was said to be faster then that same dyspo


Dyspo is faster than hit only when he amplifies his speed, otherwise Hit was too fast for him. And no it's not the same dyspo, it's a dyspo that much more tired because of the fighting.The Dyspo Hit fought was fresh since it was just in the early stages of the tournament.

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Gohan saw how dyspo fought and did just as well as hit did when he saw it. God goku was able to keep up with dyspo. So id say since hit and gohan did slightly better they are in the realm of ssj god maybe 2x god at most.


No way, Hit and Gohan are in blue territory. I don't know about Gohan since it's debatable, but Hit definitely is. Compare Goku's fight without UI against Jiren with Hit vs Jiren. You see Hit was able to hold against Jiren longer, and managed to hit while it took Goku UI to even land a blow on Jiren.

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I have ssj god to ssj blue a 50x multiplier going off kefla stuff and its description. So at least hit is about 25x weaker then freiza and goku at most 50x.


No it means hit is more than 50x SSJG Goku if we're going by your logic. Like I said, Compare Goku vs Jiren and Hit vs Jiren and you see that outside of UI Goku vs Jiren, Hit fared much better.

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On a side note i dont think hit is an amazing fighter. He is good but he relies to much on his time skip as shown in the jiren fight and even dyspo fight.


Sorry to say this but your opinion is objectively wrong. He's noted to be a skilled assassin and martial artist in-universe, managed to trick Dyspo by abusing his hearing. And against Jiren everything goes, that guy can't be beat in raw power. Would Frieza fare much better against Jiren than Hit did ? No because Frieza avoided Jiren at all costs.

I mean what advantage does Frieza have over hit? He can't stop time like hit, he doesn't get stronger while fighting, and his only real advantage is the fighting intelligence which is arguable since Hit is also a fighting genius.

Hit is way too hax when on equal footing, it took Goku to become 10x stronger just to stand up to him in their fight and he still lost.
Hits honnor will stop him from doing so. For the same reason he did not use it against goku the two times they fought.

Jiren was in no trouble against hit.

Like i said before hit saw how he fought he was being smashed.

Again he lasted because his time skip nothing else so to assume he is stronger is just absurd speculation.

And yes it dose have a connection to power. If goku was unfazed then hit should have no problem but he would have been hurt.

Dyspo is not hurt or tired in the fight with freiza thats just more speculation on your part. He fought once and if everyone else can get there stamina back and be at full power within seconds to mins so can dyspo. Especially when he was in one or two fights while the others did not stop. And it is a ridiculous thing to say hit did better. Hit was slower then dyspo freiza was faster and thats with dyspos technique.

Again dyspo was not tired nothing suggest it in fact everything suggest he is still at full power and stamina.

Now you are implying hit = UI goku. You see why jiren fights are not accurate. Also comparing those two times is a vary bad thing to do considering what i said above and that jiren obviously was not useing the same level of power. And no my logic dose not have hit 50x god.

Yez it is my opinion and it is not wrong. Being a assassin dose not make you a good fighter. Goku proved that even with hits hax gokus skill was able to beat hit. And everyone else is at or near gokus level of skill. But if you have to resort to a time skip in every fight it makes you seem like you cant do alot normally. Also being a good tactician dose not make you an amazing fighter. Now i said he is a good fighter but not an amazing one. I dont see him on the level of goku, vegeta, freiza , or roshi.

Freiza avoided fighting anyone that he did not have to he has been vary conservative about who he fights to save stamina. So him avoiding jiren means absolutely nothing on his power.

Hits getting stronger while fighting is completely horrid as he dose not and has not ever made any considerable gains while fighting. Hell id say he gets little if at all.

You say it took goku to go 10x but hit was stronger then goku at that time. Goku who was shown to be equal in power to hit in the second fight broke the time skip. If it really took goku being 10x stronger for that to happen then he should have needed kaioken to break it but he did not. Freiza who is stronger and can see that stuff like the back of his hand is going to beat hit no problem

Also just for my sake can you not quote me like you did. It makes it annoying to respond to with haveing to figure out where my stuff ends and yours begins lol.
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Hit only did well against jiren because he constantly used time skip and used the time cage which did not help him what so ever in that fight. And i dont go off that fight as jirens fights are on the harder side of things to calculate because how much it fluctuates. The dyspo fights are a much more accurate for determining power.


1-What's stopping him from constantly using the time skip against Frieza?
2-Jiren started having trouble against the time skip, since hit did get a punch on him and almost knocked him off. Frieza would be turned into a fine pasted if confronted against Jiren, which is why Frieza decided to avoid conflict with him.
3-Hit beat the s*** out of Dyspo and almost disqualified him once he figured it out his trick. Frieza had to cooperate with Gohan to beat him

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Blue goku = golden freiza


So is Hit too. Actually scratch that, Hit is even stronger because he lasted longer than Kaioken Goku.
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Blue goku runs through landmines which hit was afraid to.


It's called being careful and pragmatic, no connections with power whatsoever.

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Before seeing how dyspo fought he got slaughtered by dyspo and even after seeing how he fought had a somewhat rough time.


At first. Once Hit figured out his trick the battle completely turned into his favor.


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Golden freiza completely smashed the same dyspo. Forced dyspo to use his ultimate technique. Even after dyspos onslaught he had little to no visable signs of damage. Hit on the other hand was hurt by a much slower and id imagine weaker dyspo.


Watch the video I posted. Hit completely SMASHES Dyspo. and you got it backwards, Hit was demolishing a healthier Dyspo, therefore a stronger one. Not a faster one sure, but Frieza was getting dominated once Dyspo got his power so by comparison:
Hit did much better against Dyspo than Frieza.
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Dyspo was faster then hit even when hit saw how dyspo fought. Freiza was said to be faster then that same dyspo


Dyspo is faster than hit only when he amplifies his speed, otherwise Hit was too fast for him. And no it's not the same dyspo, it's a dyspo that much more tired because of the fighting.The Dyspo Hit fought was fresh since it was just in the early stages of the tournament.

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Gohan saw how dyspo fought and did just as well as hit did when he saw it. God goku was able to keep up with dyspo. So id say since hit and gohan did slightly better they are in the realm of ssj god maybe 2x god at most.


No way, Hit and Gohan are in blue territory. I don't know about Gohan since it's debatable, but Hit definitely is. Compare Goku's fight without UI against Jiren with Hit vs Jiren. You see Hit was able to hold against Jiren longer, and managed to hit while it took Goku UI to even land a blow on Jiren.

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I have ssj god to ssj blue a 50x multiplier going off kefla stuff and its description. So at least hit is about 25x weaker then freiza and goku at most 50x.


No it means hit is more than 50x SSJG Goku if we're going by your logic. Like I said, Compare Goku vs Jiren and Hit vs Jiren and you see that outside of UI Goku vs Jiren, Hit fared much better.

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On a side note i dont think hit is an amazing fighter. He is good but he relies to much on his time skip as shown in the jiren fight and even dyspo fight.


Sorry to say this but your opinion is objectively wrong. He's noted to be a skilled assassin and martial artist in-universe, managed to trick Dyspo by abusing his hearing. And against Jiren everything goes, that guy can't be beat in raw power. Would Frieza fare much better against Jiren than Hit did ? No because Frieza avoided Jiren at all costs.

I mean what advantage does Frieza have over hit? He can't stop time like hit, he doesn't get stronger while fighting, and his only real advantage is the fighting intelligence which is arguable since Hit is also a fighting genius.

Hit is way too hax when on equal footing, it took Goku to become 10x stronger just to stand up to him in their fight and he still lost.
Hits honnor will stop him from doing so. For the same reason he did not use it against goku the two times they fought.

Jiren was in no trouble against hit.

Like i said before hit saw how he fought he was being smashed.

Again he lasted because his time skip nothing else so to assume he is stronger is just absurd speculation.

And yes it dose have a connection to power. If goku was unfazed then hit should have no problem but he would have been hurt.

Dyspo is not hurt or tired in the fight with freiza thats just more speculation on your part. He fought once and if everyone else can get there stamina back and be at full power within seconds to mins so can dyspo. Especially when he was in one or two fights while the others did not stop. And it is a ridiculous thing to say hit did better. Hit was slower then dyspo freiza was faster and thats with dyspos technique.

Again dyspo was not tired nothing suggest it in fact everything suggest he is still at full power and stamina.

Now you are implying hit = UI goku. You see why jiren fights are not accurate. Also comparing those two times is a vary bad thing to do considering what i said above and that jiren obviously was not useing the same level of power. And no my logic dose not have hit 50x god.

Yez it is my opinion and it is not wrong. Being a assassin dose not make you a good fighter. Goku proved that even with hits hax gokus skill was able to beat hit. And everyone else is at or near gokus level of skill. But if you have to resort to a time skip in every fight it makes you seem like you cant do alot normally. Also being a good tactician dose not make you an amazing fighter. Now i said he is a good fighter but not an amazing one. I dont see him on the level of goku, vegeta, freiza , or roshi.

Freiza avoided fighting anyone that he did not have to he has been vary conservative about who he fights to save stamina. So him avoiding jiren means absolutely nothing on his power.

Hits getting stronger while fighting is completely horrid as he dose not and has not ever made any considerable gains while fighting. Hell id say he gets little if at all.

You say it took goku to go 10x but hit was stronger then goku at that time. Goku who was shown to be equal in power to hit in the second fight broke the time skip. If it really took goku being 10x stronger for that to happen then he should have needed kaioken to break it but he did not. Freiza who is stronger and can see that stuff like the back of his hand is going to beat hit no problem

Also just for my sake can you not quote me like you did. It makes it annoying to respond to with haveing to figure out where my stuff ends and yours begins lol.
Well his honor certainly didn't stop him from abusing it against Jiren, I fail to see why he should make an exception to Frieza.

I didn't say he was having trouble against Hit, I said he had more trouble against Hit than Goku(barring UI) who is = Frieza.

Well then why are we to assume that Frieza would do as well as Hit in his first fight against Dyspo ? As far as I know, Frieza had knowledge about Dyspo's ability since he kept observing the battlefield.

Timeskip or not, He managed to land a solid blow against Jiren and almost disqualified him. Goku in his kaioken form didn't. It's as simple as that. It immensely has to do with power since he almost knocked out Jiren out of the ring with just a punch.

Unknown. He never ran through it so we can never know if he was to get hurt or not.

Dyspo is not hurt or tired ? ok assuming he is not tired, Hit did better against him than Frieza and that's without having knowledge of his power. Frieza obviously knew what Dyspo can do, so that's why it seems he did better than Hit despite Hit smashing Dyspo in the latter part of their fight.

Alright, let's roll with it. Dyspo needed both Gohan and Frieza to knock him out, Hit almost did that on his own, he would have succeeded if Dyspo's friend didn't save him.

I'm not implying anything, I'm saying that aside from UI Goku only Vegeta and Hit got clean blows, whereas kaioken SSJB Goku failed to do so. It's obvious that Hit is stronger than SSJB, stop dancing around it already. And at what level Jiren used his power against Hit ? There wasn't any statements so by default we'll assume that he was at the same level against Goku when he fought Hit.

You forgot that Hit isn't completely reliant on his time skip power, and he actually has an analytical approach to every problem he faces. He abuses his timeskip to gain an advantage against Jiren, he abuses Dyspo's hearing, he took Narirama's arms which were his most efficient body parts. You're trying to paint Hit as an idiot while Frieza is much worse, like what strategy has Frieza ever deployed??
All I see him is mercilessly torture his much weaker opponents. against an opponent of equal power he needed Gohan's help, and it wasn't even his idea to begin with.

And I said Goku needed to go TEN TIMES STRONGER, just so he can gain an advantage against Hit and that was cut short. Hit is like Buu; at equal footing, you have low chance to win. You need to be massively stronger in order to win.

He refers Jiren as a monster, so conservative or not by virtue of never fighting Jiren I see him weaker than hit.

No it isn't horrid, he improved dramatically in such short time that he survived a 10x Kaioken kamehameha to the face. How can you look at it and tell me it's horrid with a straight face? Again painting Frieza as some sort of omniscient fighter while in the show he's clearly not.

I mean where does this Hit lowball parade come from? If it wasn't for his time skip and his constant improvement I'd honestly wouldn't even give Frieza the win, It would go to Pirina or Gohan.

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Hit probably because of his time skip ability, but I'm not impressed by his defensive side aside from that.

Dyspo is all-out speed and doesn't seem to have a good defensive style either. He has decent attack though.

Trunks is very attacking in his style, mirroring that of his dad. Again not the greatest defense, but he was mentored by F. Gohan and Vegeta, so...

I honestly think, of all these options, Gohan is the most well-rounded fighter although probably not the strongest. Gohan was trained by two geniuses in martial arts and warrior style.

Freeza is probably the second most well-rounded fighter on this list, but also lacks good defense imo. Freeza has grown a lot since he was resurrected and should have praise for his progress.

I don't know a whole lot about Pirina, but being a namekian warrior he has probably mastered most sides to fighting. It is possible he is the most experienced all-rounder on the list, but I don't know much about him.


So in summary; I'd give the edge to Gohan over Freeza and possibly Pirina.
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