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Jan 15 2018, 10:28 PM Post #31 |
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Humans don't need meat to survive, so it's just as unethical. We kill billions of animals a year and waste most of their meat. At major factory farms, animals are confined in extremely tight cages where they can barely move and end up trampling their young. These animals are oftentimes tortured. I can't think of anything more horrible than that. The force-impregnation is still wrong, of course, but it's hardly the worst practice that goes on in factory farms. Farmers will cut off the beaks of chickens so that they can't fight each other (this causes extreme pain, similar to a human's nose being chopped off), baby male chicks are thrown into blenders because they're of no use to the dairy industry, pigs' ears are cut off, cows are branded... I could go on. |
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| + Steve | Jan 15 2018, 10:34 PM Post #32 |
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I would actually say there's a good bit of disconnect with vegans/vegetarians and the meat industry, I've been told so many times how horrible the conditions are for every livestock animal, usually by people who live in cities. As a country boy who's lived near many farms used for meat, I can see that's just not the case. The cows a 10 minute walk from me aren't all in an assembly line looking depressed waiting to die, all scraggly and in poor health. That's the image people always try to convey about the whole meat industry and while that definitely does happen, not everywhere. Here you'll see calves running around playing just fine and adults chilling about with their friends(science confirms cows have best friends) So no, I don't feel sad that they'll die and get eaten, because their life isn't a torturous hell, the scariest thing that will ever happen to them is if someone's over excited dog gets loose and chases them around. You can walk up to the cows and pet them. If every meat farm functioned the same way I would have no problems with the meat industry what so ever. It's that or living in the wild, which is toted to be the wonderful au naturale experience. Which animals are happier: |
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Jan 15 2018, 10:37 PM Post #33 |
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That's all fine and dandy, and it does happen at some farms, but factory farming is rife with poor conditions, and factory farms are what provide us our food. The meat you see at the grocery store? Guaranteed to come from a factory farm 90% of the time. We could argue about the specifics all day, but I'm more interested in the fact that animals are being killed unnecessarily. Also, cows can graze in a field and not be killed for meat, so your argument doesn't work. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Jan 15 2018, 10:37 PM.
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| EMIYA | Jan 15 2018, 10:40 PM Post #34 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Also, seriously, stop putting your arrogance every time someone makes a post. You asked why people continue to eat meat, and we've all told you. They like it and its a legit reason, it tastes good to many of us. It stimulates something in the brain that makes us crave it. We've told you about our personal feelings on how animals are treated. Most of us don't hold the same morality on them as we do other things such as our pets or our family. Now if you want to discuss the benefits of how a low-meat diet can work and the ease of doing so, go right ahead. If you want to discuss how humane treatment of animals ultimately benefits others, do right ahead. But you essentially asked people's personal thoughts in the opening post and you aren't going to keep denying that reasoning because it doesn't fit your ideology. Edited by EMIYA, Jan 15 2018, 10:40 PM.
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| + Steve | Jan 15 2018, 10:41 PM Post #35 |
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Alright, so what are your arguments for if the industry was turned around and only farms like I mentioned were used to produce meat and in a much more reasonable supply with little to no wastage? I think most of the problems to do with the meat industry aren't to do with the meat industry at all, it's mankind's other issues that need sorting out. In a better world you would have meat organized out to the populace, instead of one dude being able to go buy 10 whole chickens, eat one and throw the rest in the bin he'd only get one a week and the supply would reflect that, you'd get what you would actually eat. Instead of shelves and shelves of glorious meat just going wasted because someone didn't want steaks that night. Stupidity. |
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Jan 15 2018, 10:41 PM Post #36 |
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I haven't denied anyone. I'm merely having a debate. Are you perhaps reading something into my posts that isn't there? If you're asking about my last response to you, it was a result of you not answering my questions and then asking a set of your own. If you want to have a discussion, I'm more than happy to, but I need to be talking to a person, not a brick wall. I don't know how to "put my arrogance" or what it entails, but I don't think I've done anything similar here.
I think it would be a lot better than the current state of things, but I still wouldn't support it. As for the rest of your post, I really don't know what you mean. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Jan 15 2018, 10:42 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 15 2018, 10:45 PM Post #37 |
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It is quite unfortunate the amount of meat that's wasted daily. All that steak, all that chicken, all that pork, just tossed because it went bad because it wasn't Superbowl weekend. If we could get things ordered to go instead of pre-stocked, that'd be great, but not very convenient I'd imagine to the 9-5'ers. |
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| + Steve | Jan 15 2018, 10:59 PM Post #38 |
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Why is that?
I mean the meat industry is only s***ty and disgusting in many areas because people are lazy, greedy and have no self control or care for the environment. There's no hope of fixing just the meat industry alone with how we function as a species currently.
I'm sure it'd be annoying as f*** for a while but people survived the time of rations and only being able to get a s***ty amount of food a week, I think people would adapt fine after a while. The lack of supply would make everything more expensive so that could be problematic but markets would probably take advantage with memberships and stuff, so it'd probably work out in the end. 20% off meat if you're willing to have 5% of your purchases go towards charity. Currently a whole chicken here can cost anywhere between £3 and like £10 depending on the size and quality. I wouldn't mind paying much more than that infrequently if I could be guaranteed good quality meat that's not injected with a heap of garbage or water. A whole chicken can easily last you like 4 meals or more if you use the skeleton for broth. Maybe it could work with coupons, preferably digital ones. That'd be good for New Years/Christmas/Thanksgiving. Everyone who can afford a turkey gets one, rather than millions of turkeys just going to waste. Turkey is the s***. A bit of admin would make the process simple if we were willing to try. EDIT Also imagine how much more civilized supermarkets would be if you were guaranteed your set amount of meat, no more people being bludgeoned by frozen corpses during holidays. Edited by Steve, Jan 15 2018, 11:00 PM.
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| EMIYA | Jan 15 2018, 11:11 PM Post #39 |
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Yes you have. You keep trying to claim that "It states good" isn't a real reason despite the fact that it is. We do a lot of things, no matter how good or bad it is in the long run, because it gives us satisfaction. You asked why people keep eating meat and they've told you. they like it, it tastes good. That is a valid reason and if your expecting more out of it, you probably aren't going to get it. But you aren't going to claim it isn't a real reason or it isn't logical just because it doesn't fit your ideology. You've gotten your answer and frankly, I could direct that same question back to you. Why do you think the vast majority of the human population eats meat? Because apparently tasting good isn't a valid response. Apparently stimulation of the brain caused by eating meat isn't a valid response. So right now, I can only assume Meats are secretly cognitive and are using their psychic powers to control the human masses and the Vegetables are trying to defeat the meats and take over. Meanwhile the Fruits have and Fats have come together to wage war and conquer us while we're blindly unaware of our true masters. Literally, what kind of response are you expecting at this point? Edited by EMIYA, Jan 16 2018, 06:40 AM.
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Jan 15 2018, 11:26 PM Post #40 |
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I think that the majority of the population eats meat because it tastes good, and it’s what they’ve grown up eating. That doesn’t make it a valid reason. What is “valid” to you? I’m expecting debate. This is deep discussion. If you don’t enjoy it, maybe don’t visit this sub? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 15 2018, 11:30 PM Post #41 |
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Izanagi!
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There's honestly not a whole lot to debate. Even if a person's reason is invalid, what further things can you discuss? |
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Jan 15 2018, 11:33 PM Post #42 |
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You’re probably right, but you never know. People change their minds on this topic all the time, especially in recent years. |
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| + Steve | Jan 15 2018, 11:34 PM Post #43 |
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I can see why simply "it tastes good" could be considered a non-valid reason for it but I still can't see a reason to not actually eat it at all, what makes it wrong exactly? Because I can't read any reasoning without thinking of stuff like that lovely video up there where that critter is being ripped apart, still alive, by several lions. That's the way nature work, only we're capable of streamlining it and making it much muuuuch less lengthy and horrific. Setting aside our gross over consumption, why is it wrong for us to engage in the circle of life, even though we do it in a somewhat roundabout but quite arguably better way? Because "I don't like it" is just as invalid a reason in my eyes, though you're welcome to the lifestyle. Edited by Steve, Jan 15 2018, 11:34 PM.
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| Wolf | Jan 15 2018, 11:35 PM Post #44 |
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I think the real question here is what kind of meat are we eating. You see, you have to look at the animal population as a whole. There is about 1.3-1.5 billion cows in the world, each weighing 1,300 pounds. There’s 19 billion chickens worldwide. That number is sought 40:1 chickens per person. Not to mention the two billion pigs as well. Now, adding all that up, you get a lot of animals. Those would be the primary meats chosen by humans to consume. That being said, if we don’t eat them, they would continue to outnumber us and eventually take over the world. I don’t know about you but, I don’t want chicken little to be the president. I say humans need to eat these creatures for our own safety. Safety of life, and hunger. |
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| Daemon Keido | Jan 15 2018, 11:36 PM Post #45 |
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I was a cattle farmer before my grandmother died. While we were only hobby farm class and had none of the industrial farming concerns you brought up, we still bred and raised cattpe for the purpose of selling them as slaughtered meat. I eat meat (especially meat from cattle whose farming I personally witnessed and/or knew inside and out) because it tasted good, and also to promote the farms involved with the resources neccessary to continue operating. I cannot guarantee that none of the meat I ate came from industrial farming but due to food quality control laws in Canada, the majority of your ethical concerns regarding the treatment of the animals before slaughter are kept to a minimum and those that break the law are all heavily fined, usually in tbe millions and production shut down until they can prove they have been brought up to code. Edited by Daemon Keido, Jan 15 2018, 11:42 PM.
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