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Buu Arc SSJ4 Goku; How far does he get?
Topic Started: Jan 13 2018, 02:50 PM (1,029 Views)
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No energy drain or time limit to how long he can remain a SuperSaiyan 4.

Round 1- Mystic Gohan

Round 2- Buuhan

Round 3- SSJ Vegitto

Round 4- Buuhan with Vegitto absorbed
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He doesn't even get past Ultimate Gohan IMO.
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Yeah, depending on if you take guidebooks or official guides as gospel. SSJ3 has the same function as SSJ4 when it comes to unlocking dormant power. So all Goku would gain from it is it's faaaaar more sustainable than SSJ3. Problem being. Ultimate Gohan is faaaar more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, with or without strain.
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Goku's too weak in the buu saga for even ssj4 to boost him to the high tiers

He could maybe fight mystic gohan but that's it
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You know why I think SS4 makes Goku so insanely strong despite allegedly being "just" a potential unlock? It's a physical, mutation-type of transformation. It gives the Saiyan a new and naturally stronger half-Oozaru body to work with. That new body means new limits, and much higher ones. It's like going from filling up a small bucket with water to filling up an industrial-size water tank or something instead.

That said, dormant power and current limits and what-not are always a very flexible and unpredictable thing, so there's no good way to tell just how strong it would make Goku at this point in the story. But just from a literary and gut-feeling sense, I'm sure it'd put him way up there with Gohan and Boo's absorption forms. So I could see him emerging from Rounds 1 and 2 victorious, but not quite being strong enough for Rounds 3 and 4. Ironically enough, he'd still need Fusion with Vegeta for those.
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Well if we go by its discrimination then id say he is around super buu level of strength.

Since i have ssj4 gogeta and vegito equal and gogeta is dozens of times stronger then ssj4 goku. Nothing but ssj4 vegito would beat him.
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He wouldn't make it past the first round. His dormant power in the Boo arc wasn't nearly what his son's was.
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I have him equalling ssj Vegetto but I'm very much in the minority there.

Ssj3 Goku = 48,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan = 225,000,000,000

Ssj Vegetto = 480,000,000,000


Ssj4 is a ten times multiplier of ssj3 for me. It being a potential unlock doesn't make much sense to me, why didn't Old Kai just do that to him instead of him needing his tail? I give it the oozaru boost over ssj3 but with speed increased too of course and not just power and durability.

I also don't think it was intentional to imply ssj3 Goku =< ssj Gotenks < base Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj2 Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj3 Gotenks (ROSAT) < Ultimate Gohan because that would make Goku so insignificant and he'd have no business worrying about Kid Boo.
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If SSJ4 is a Potential unlock then he doesn't even come close to Ultimate Gohan.

Ultimate Gohan >>> Gohan's potential >>> Goku's potential
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Jan 13 2018, 07:02 PM
I have him equalling ssj Vegetto but I'm very much in the minority there.

Ssj3 Goku = 48,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan = 225,000,000,000

Ssj Vegetto = 480,000,000,000


Ssj4 is a ten times multiplier of ssj3 for me. It being a potential unlock doesn't make much sense to me, why didn't Old Kai just do that to him instead of him needing his tail? I give it the oozaru boost over ssj3 but with speed increased too of course and not just power and durability.

I also don't think it was intentional to imply ssj3 Goku =< ssj Gotenks < base Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj2 Gotenks (ROSAT) < ssj3 Gotenks (ROSAT) < Ultimate Gohan because that would make Goku so insignificant and he'd have no business worrying about Kid Boo.
It's also stared several times in the show to release dormant power.
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Gohan is hundreds of time stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
I don't think SSJ4 is hundreds of time stronger than SSJ3 so Goku loses.
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Jan 13 2018, 07:17 PM
If SSJ4 is a Potential unlock then he doesn't even come close to Ultimate Gohan.

Ultimate Gohan >>> Gohan's potential >>> Goku's potential
Right its what ever the beyond part of old kai ritual was that made gohan so powerful. I have gohans potential like 2 to 3 times goku basically how much power gohan had over goku in cell games is where i put gohans actual potential.
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SSJ3 Goku: x
SSJ Gotenks (pre): x
Base Gotenks (post): > x
SSJ Gotenks (post): > 50x
SSJ3 Gotenks (post): > 400x
Super Buu: > 400x
Ultimate Gohan: > 600-800x

SSJ4 multiplier would need to be between 600-800x SSJ3 in order for SSJ3 Goku to compete with Ultimate Gohan. It would likewise need to be over 1200-1600x SSJ3 in order to compete with Buuhan, and around 6000-8000x to face off against Super Vegito (I have Vegito as being around 5x stronger than Buuhan).

I have Goku getting wrecked. He's a non-factor past Gotenks's introduction.
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Jan 13 2018, 03:34 PM
Yeah, depending on if you take guidebooks or official guides as gospel. SSJ3 has the same function as SSJ4 when it comes to unlocking dormant power. So all Goku would gain from it is it's faaaaar more sustainable than SSJ3. Problem being. Ultimate Gohan is faaaar more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, with or without strain.
I don't buy that really.

Otherwise SSJ4 Goku in GT would have been crushed by Bebi Vegeta.
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Why didn't Old Kai just do the ritual on Goku then instead of pulling out his tail if ssj4 is a potential unlock?

Goku << Goku ssj4 (full potential unlock) << 'Ultimate' Goku (Old Kai's beyond full potential unlock)
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