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| EMIYA | Jan 11 2018, 05:01 PM Post #16 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Also, Piccolo's line about whether Trunks was right or they got too strong really just leads to the point of it being both. 3 years ago, these cyborgs probably would have been a big threat. Most seemed to agree that No. 19 after absorbing energy is definitely stronger than Freeza and even when Vegeta one shotted him, he refused to fight No. 20. You can imagine 3 years ago, the trouble they'd have facing No. 19 alone, only for Old Man Gero to walk up, proclaim himself the superior model and start beating our heroes with his brain tank. Edited by EMIYA, Jan 11 2018, 05:02 PM.
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| Thiln | Jan 12 2018, 01:38 AM Post #17 |
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I'm part of the group of fans who believes the first pair of cyborgs were stronger than Freeza. Regardless if they don't have pain receptors, physically their bodies should still have their limitations. Goku was being earnest when he pulverised #19 and even if the virus was beginning to impact his strength it was still noted to be greater than what he emitted three years ago. Tien, as he was suppressing himself, knocked Tao unconscious with one blow; the power gap there was probably less than 50%. It should also be noted that Tao was a cyborg who demonstrated clear signs of pain as Tien was hitting him. We don't know the process or specs used for building his artificial body, but he seemed to be more mechanical like Gero than organic like the twins. Edit: On the versus topic itself, if Trunks knew to try the Taiyoken then he might a window to strike at #19 with his sword. It'll otherwise go very bad for him. Edited by Thiln, Jan 12 2018, 01:39 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 12 2018, 03:00 AM Post #18 |
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To Goku's credit, he was beating #19 so severely that Gero became visibly distressed at the thought of losing before any power was absorbed. It was a combination of dumb luck (Goku firing the Kamehameha) and the heart virus going into full effect that #19 came out victorious. With that and #19's stated sturdiness from being a mechanical bro, I could believe he's below Yardrat levels, but still above Mecha Freeza, or at the very least organic Freeza. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 13 2018, 01:46 AM Post #19 |
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Does anyone say that Piccolo is weaker than Trunks at this point? Piccolo dealt with 20 fairly easily and a powered up 20 at that. ssj Vegeta = 275,000,000 ssj Goku = 250,000,000 Piccolo = 200,000,000 ssj Trunks = 187,500,000 Android 20 maximum absorption = 150,000,000 Mecha Freeza = 150,000,000 Android 19 maximum absorption = 120,000,000 19 and 20 aren't the androids Trunks warned them about and the heroes can't sense how strong they are so their entire threat level is completely ambiguous, however you have to get in close to fight them where they can grab you and any energy attacks will be absorbed, so they are still a threat even when outclassed. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 13 2018, 02:14 AM Post #20 |
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Piccolo himself says it after they're all defeated by the androids, talking to Krillin. Tenshinhan considers Trunks in league with Goku and Vegeta, as does Kami who excludes Piccolo from the top tier. Trunks > Piccolo is heavily implied. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 13 2018, 03:17 AM Post #21 |
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Fair enough, I just though Piccolo was more humble than the saiyans. 18 one shotting Trunks is still impressive to him because Trunks like himself is ssj tier.
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| ahill1 | Jan 14 2018, 06:21 AM Post #22 |
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I like to take a moderate/middle approach here. I don't think they are so "OMG strong", with power enough to easily take out [Yardrat] Goku, but I also think them being around 50% Freeza is pushing things a little. I think anywhere from 100% Freeza/Mecha Freeza to Yardrat Goku is a health take on their strength. Considering that it was stated #19 gained a lot of power upon absorbing Goku's KMHMH, and still gained some more after absorbing Goku's base and that he still was said by Vegeta to not match the rumors (i.e, #19 post isn't strong enough to easily defeat Trunks), I'd say his pre absorptions self is noticeably weaker than [Mecha saga] Trunks, enough that even after gaining a lot of power he wouldn't be able to swiftly defeat the young Saiyajin. So, placing #19 pre at Mecha Freeza's level of power (160,000,000) would be a fair placement as in it'd allow his post absorption self to increase to a level and yet be incoherent with the way Trunks described their fearsomeness. So, if it's pre absorptions, I'd say Trunks can defeat him without much problems so long as he is aware about the fatso's absorptions capabilities. If he isn't, then there's a high enough chance that he uses the same technique used to defeat Freeza and ends up "donating" enough chi that would make the fat android strong enough to put up a challenge. It's worth noting though that my placement on them isn't set in stone, and if the Super manga gives us a concrete placement for them, then I'd take that instead, as long as it doesn't sound so ridiculous. Edited by ahill1, Jan 14 2018, 06:25 AM.
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| Muyasuki | Jan 14 2018, 04:25 PM Post #23 |
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Both situations, Trunks gets stomped. The way I see it; 19 and 20 were as strong as Future 17 and 18. THEY just became stronger to counterbalance the change in history. Which means 19 stomps Trunks without issue. I don't understand how it even remotely makes sense for them to be weaker than Frieza if a stronger than Frieza ill Goku couldn't one shot them. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 14 2018, 10:25 PM Post #24 |
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That's impossible due to Trunks comparing SSJ Vegeta to Future Android #18. |
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| Muyasuki | Jan 14 2018, 10:53 PM Post #25 |
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If I recall correctly; the future Androids never went all out against Trunks. I probably should have put "around." Either way; Trunks gets stomped in both versions. |
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| ahill1 | Jan 14 2018, 11:56 PM Post #26 |
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There's also Trunks stating he was powerless/no match for the future androids, the same Trunks who was implied -- twice -- to be above Piccolo, who easily defeated energised Gero. Those androids aren't even close to the future ones. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 15 2018, 12:06 AM Post #27 |
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Wouldn't that make it even more in favor of the future androids being way stronger than 19 and 20? |
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| GreatSaiyaman123 | Jan 17 2018, 02:13 AM Post #28 |
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Vegeta said #19 wasn't as bad as the rumors, so he definitely isn't >> 19. They're equals IMO, but i think 19 would win their fight. I don't see Trunks as a exceptional fighter, and #19's absorbtions can turn the game on his favour. |
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