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May 28 2018, 10:12 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ? RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger

Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ
As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10
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May 28 2018, 10:24 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger  Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10 There's a very important distinction in the quote by Goku: "It could be like Kaio-sama says". It could be. He's not saying he's definitely stronger. In my opinion he's talking about the LSSJ form and not the SSJ form of Broly.
In any event, I'm don't think I agree SSJ to LSSJ is more than possibly 1.8x. It's all up to interpretation.
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May 28 2018, 10:37 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger  Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10
There's a very important distinction in the quote by Goku: "It could be like Kaio-sama says". It could be. He's not saying he's definitely stronger. In my opinion he's talking about the LSSJ form and not the SSJ form of Broly. In any event, I'm don't think I agree SSJ to LSSJ is more than possibly 1.8x. It's all up to interpretation.

2 people based on what they were feeling feel that Broly could be stronger, so RSSJ (holding back) > Z fighters, if 2 people legitimately think Broly could be stronger, then it isn't a what if any more but him being stronger.
As for who it was directed too, Goku confirmed that RSSJ is the one who destroyed the galaxy in the picture above, and the one he was chasing, so LSSJ was never the one who the quote was directed too, even the narrator said the galaxy was destroyed by a super saiyan. And Movie 10 already shown SSJ to LSSJ > SSJ to SSJ2, why on earth would it be weaker then that ?
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May 28 2018, 10:49 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger  Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10
There's a very important distinction in the quote by Goku: "It could be like Kaio-sama says". It could be. He's not saying he's definitely stronger. In my opinion he's talking about the LSSJ form and not the SSJ form of Broly. In any event, I'm don't think I agree SSJ to LSSJ is more than possibly 1.8x. It's all up to interpretation.
 2 people based on what they were feeling feel that Broly could be stronger, so RSSJ (holding back) > Z fighters, if 2 people legitimately think Broly could be stronger, then it isn't a what if any more but him being stronger. As for who it was directed too, Goku confirmed that RSSJ is the one who destroyed the galaxy in the picture above, and the one he was chasing, so LSSJ was never the one who the quote was directed too, even the narrator said the galaxy was destroyed by a super saiyan. And Movie 10 already shown SSJ to LSSJ > SSJ to SSJ2, why on earth would it be weaker then that ? I'm convinced you are seeing things most people aren't.
Can anyone else confirm what he's claiming?
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May 28 2018, 10:52 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger  Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10
There's a very important distinction in the quote by Goku: "It could be like Kaio-sama says". It could be. He's not saying he's definitely stronger. In my opinion he's talking about the LSSJ form and not the SSJ form of Broly. In any event, I'm don't think I agree SSJ to LSSJ is more than possibly 1.8x. It's all up to interpretation.
 2 people based on what they were feeling feel that Broly could be stronger, so RSSJ (holding back) > Z fighters, if 2 people legitimately think Broly could be stronger, then it isn't a what if any more but him being stronger. As for who it was directed too, Goku confirmed that RSSJ is the one who destroyed the galaxy in the picture above, and the one he was chasing, so LSSJ was never the one who the quote was directed too, even the narrator said the galaxy was destroyed by a super saiyan. And Movie 10 already shown SSJ to LSSJ > SSJ to SSJ2, why on earth would it be weaker then that ?
I'm convinced you are seeing things most people aren't. Can anyone else confirm what he's claiming? I got the movie, in fact, I got all the movies, watch it 100s of times, just go online and find it in subs and see for yourself
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May 28 2018, 10:55 AM
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
RSSJ suppressed (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by both King Kai and Goku to be stronger  Then he powered up big time before going LSSJ As for the multiplier, bigger then SSJ to SSj2 as shown in Movie 10
There's a very important distinction in the quote by Goku: "It could be like Kaio-sama says". It could be. He's not saying he's definitely stronger. In my opinion he's talking about the LSSJ form and not the SSJ form of Broly. In any event, I'm don't think I agree SSJ to LSSJ is more than possibly 1.8x. It's all up to interpretation.
 2 people based on what they were feeling feel that Broly could be stronger, so RSSJ (holding back) > Z fighters, if 2 people legitimately think Broly could be stronger, then it isn't a what if any more but him being stronger. As for who it was directed too, Goku confirmed that RSSJ is the one who destroyed the galaxy in the picture above, and the one he was chasing, so LSSJ was never the one who the quote was directed too, even the narrator said the galaxy was destroyed by a super saiyan. And Movie 10 already shown SSJ to LSSJ > SSJ to SSJ2, why on earth would it be weaker then that ?
I'm convinced you are seeing things most people aren't. Can anyone else confirm what he's claiming?
I got the movie, in fact, I got all the movies, watch it 100s of times, just go online and find it in subs and see for yourself Nah. I don't really care, tbh. Broly is a fan service character and matters little.
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Actually what @ i ll take this says its true
I do remember that they were refering to rssj broly when they said he is stronger than the z senshi including goku. And it wasnt even full power ssj . He have had a powe increase before he turned to lssj
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Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves.
Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. - Quote:
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SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30.
SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40
The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power.
Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ? Ill be generous and say broly was 50% stronger then base gohan in M10 going off there fight.
Base gohan 50 Ssj 2500 Ssj2 5000
Base broly 1.5 Ssj broly 75 Lssj broly 15000
So we are looking at a near 200x boost from just ssj. Ill be generous again here.
Ssj goku 75 Absorbed power goku 60000
Rssj broly 100 Ssj broly 150 Lssj 30000
In no way is he not stronger then ssj2 gohan at any point. I also dont believe because of how big his boost is that he did not get massively stronger between the two movies maybe 2 to 3 times stronger. As well as how well base gohan did against ssj broly. Broly was shown to be stronger as a ssj but hardly stronger. 2x would be way to big of a gap and 50% seems big to but like i said i was basically lowballing his multiplier.
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M9 Gohan would trash M8 Broly.
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Broly was restrained by the control device prior to the big fight with the Z-Fighters, so it was RSSJ that Goku was referring to, not SSJ or LSSJ.
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LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Kid Gohan
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LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Kid Gohan But there's more to a fight than a power level difference.
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LSSJ Broly > SSJ2 Kid Gohan
But there's more to a fight than a power level difference. Like brolys insane durability, constant flow of ki and stamina. Unless you have a decent power advantage you are not winning..
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I don't think Broly's ever done anything to show he has above average durability. We only see him in fights where he has a significant power advantage which is why he's always tanking his opponents.
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I don't think Broly's ever done anything to show he has above average durability. We only see him in fights where he has a significant power advantage which is why he's always tanking his opponents. Well, he did survive a stab to the gut/chest area and being left to die.
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