Broly (M8) vs Gohan (M9)

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Broly (M8) vs Gohan (M9)
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StrenuousSpider	May 27 2018, 05:19 PM Post #31
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Jiren May 27 2018, 02:49 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:08 AM The whole the next movie villian is stronger then the last is a load of bull which should not be used as an argument that bojack is stronger then broly. As much as i dislike both these characters broly seems much stronger to me then bojack. Hatchiyack >= Lssj broly And im pretty sure they were cell games level there thats where we can put goku in Broly movie. So id say ssj2 gohan would fair ok against broly but because of how brolys form works he would outlast gohan even if gohan had a power advantage. Its bulp because you say so? Lol its sraed thus its fact The Harchiyacj movie is an excuse... Most of it is a video game and if goku mentions Broli then they are not CG becuase they are not in movie 8. They are pre cell games... That explains why Gohan is not SSjin 2.. trunks has short hair and he and Vegeta are ASSjin... Gohan is still in par with Trunks like in movie 8.. And all the atributes of the OVA are taken from the 10 days... Read this thread which should leave you no doubts http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/10015355/2/#new Gohan did go ssj2 for like a split second in that movie. And it being based off a game means nothing dude like really. Him going ssj2 for a split second makes perfect sense as well. Look at the bojack movie he could not just turn ssj2 then either. So gohan not being ssj2 the whole time dose not disprove they are cell games teir in Hatchiyack movie. The simple fact he is comparable to broly says alot about brolys power and goku absorbed power in M8. I dont think Gohans Ssj2 would be far off from broly but broly dose have the power advantage, durability advantage, and stamina advantage. We will just have a repeat of M10. Lets look at bio broly weaker then M8 broly and several others. but comes later? Janamba and hirudagarn? Beerus and freiza? Id even argue that garlic Jr is stronger then that robot thing in movie 2. I have not seen them in awhile so i could be wrong. So enough with the next movie s*** all right. The movies dont obviously support that statement.



+ Pointer	May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Post #32
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages



StrenuousSpider	May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Post #33
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was.



+ Pointer	May 27 2018, 05:26 PM Post #34
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. In that case who are we to assume goku was only 50 percent.? On the other hand that doesnt change the fact that gohan was basically one punched. His greatest feat against broly was a kick on the neck. Personally i have broly equal to majin vegeta or maybe initial majin buu No way and i mean absolutely no way that even cg ssj2 gohan could defeat that power I have broly at perfect cell level at max before zenkai if thats the case gohan stomps badly Edited by Pointer, May 27 2018, 05:28 PM.



Notaka	May 27 2018, 06:46 PM Post #35
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. No I don't think M8 happens before the Cell games, based on the narrator's saying in the end, I just went and checked; he says this: "On Earth, it is the height of a calm spring." This wouldn't make sense if Cell was still there, and the movie can't happen after the Cell games since Goku is still alive and Gohan never went SSJ2 in the movie. M10 does take after Cell Games, so I guess M8 is in alternate universe where Cell got destroyed by Trunks/Vegeta before reaching perfection, and another M8 who actually took part before the Cell games, and the same Broly appeared in M10. The M8 Broly we saw isn't the same as M10 Broly, that's my theory. Also Goku was sent to deal with Broly alongside Pikkon and he didn't seem to be worrying or anything, so I guess Goku and Pikkon both can take on Broly with minimal efforts, and since this is Buu Saga Goku, he's barely stronger than CG Gohan. M8 Broly is a lot weaker so I still don't see how Gohan couldn't win, exactly when they said The next villain is stronger than the one before(a few exceptions doesn't invalidate it) Bojack hasn't shown himself to be weaker than M8 Broly and M10 Broly showed himself to be stronger than Bojack. Edited by Notaka, May 27 2018, 06:47 PM.
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StrenuousSpider	May 27 2018, 06:58 PM Post #36
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Notaka May 27 2018, 06:46 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. No I don't think M8 happens before the Cell games, based on the narrator's saying in the end, I just went and checked; he says this: "On Earth, it is the height of a calm spring." This wouldn't make sense if Cell was still there, and the movie can't happen after the Cell games since Goku is still alive and Gohan never went SSJ2 in the movie. M10 does take after Cell Games, so I guess M8 is in alternate universe where Cell got destroyed by Trunks/Vegeta before reaching perfection, and another M8 who actually took part before the Cell games, and the same Broly appeared in M10. The M8 Broly we saw isn't the same as M10 Broly, that's my theory. Also Goku was sent to deal with Broly alongside Pikkon and he didn't seem to be worrying or anything, so I guess Goku and Pikkon both can take on Broly with minimal efforts, and since this is Buu Saga Goku, he's barely stronger than CG Gohan. M8 Broly is a lot weaker so I still don't see how Gohan couldn't win, exactly when they said The next villain is stronger than the one before(a few exceptions doesn't invalidate it) Bojack hasn't shown himself to be weaker than M8 Broly and M10 Broly showed himself to be stronger than Bojack. Sorry but yes it dose invalidate it. They made a statement which is completely false so way to get around that. This is also a goku that can turn ssj3 pretty easily in other world as well so why would he be stressed about fighting broly? This goku is also superior to cell games gohan and he has pikkon who should be up there with him. So like i said i dont think gohan is far off from broly but buu saga goku would close that gap and having pikkon there ensures his victory and ssj3 even more so. So i dont see a reason for goku to sweat about having to take down broly.



Notaka	May 27 2018, 07:19 PM Post #37
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 06:58 PM Notaka May 27 2018, 06:46 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. No I don't think M8 happens before the Cell games, based on the narrator's saying in the end, I just went and checked; he says this: "On Earth, it is the height of a calm spring." This wouldn't make sense if Cell was still there, and the movie can't happen after the Cell games since Goku is still alive and Gohan never went SSJ2 in the movie. M10 does take after Cell Games, so I guess M8 is in alternate universe where Cell got destroyed by Trunks/Vegeta before reaching perfection, and another M8 who actually took part before the Cell games, and the same Broly appeared in M10. The M8 Broly we saw isn't the same as M10 Broly, that's my theory. Also Goku was sent to deal with Broly alongside Pikkon and he didn't seem to be worrying or anything, so I guess Goku and Pikkon both can take on Broly with minimal efforts, and since this is Buu Saga Goku, he's barely stronger than CG Gohan. M8 Broly is a lot weaker so I still don't see how Gohan couldn't win, exactly when they said The next villain is stronger than the one before(a few exceptions doesn't invalidate it) Bojack hasn't shown himself to be weaker than M8 Broly and M10 Broly showed himself to be stronger than Bojack. Sorry but yes it dose invalidate it. They made a statement which is completely false so way to get around that. This is also a goku that can turn ssj3 pretty easily in other world as well so why would he be stressed about fighting broly? This goku is also superior to cell games gohan and he has pikkon who should be up there with him. So like i said i dont think gohan is far off from broly but buu saga goku would close that gap and having pikkon there ensures his victory and ssj3 even more so. So i dont see a reason for goku to sweat about having to take down broly. OK which one? Give me the statement. Sure you could say Goku can go SSJ3, but there's a few problems: -Bio Broly came out on July 9 1994, Whereas Goku first transformed into SSJ3 November 9 1994. You could say that SSJ3 appeared on the manga but then: -Goku says to Janemba after he transforms "You're the second person to push me this far", the first being Buu. so obviously, if M12 happens after M11 then Broly didn't force Goku to turn into SSJ3. Also Pikkon is strong but he's an ant compared to M10 Broly and SSJ2 Goku, he's an MSSJ level character.
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StrenuousSpider	May 27 2018, 07:38 PM Post #38
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Notaka May 27 2018, 07:19 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 06:58 PM Notaka May 27 2018, 06:46 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. No I don't think M8 happens before the Cell games, based on the narrator's saying in the end, I just went and checked; he says this: "On Earth, it is the height of a calm spring." This wouldn't make sense if Cell was still there, and the movie can't happen after the Cell games since Goku is still alive and Gohan never went SSJ2 in the movie. M10 does take after Cell Games, so I guess M8 is in alternate universe where Cell got destroyed by Trunks/Vegeta before reaching perfection, and another M8 who actually took part before the Cell games, and the same Broly appeared in M10. The M8 Broly we saw isn't the same as M10 Broly, that's my theory. Also Goku was sent to deal with Broly alongside Pikkon and he didn't seem to be worrying or anything, so I guess Goku and Pikkon both can take on Broly with minimal efforts, and since this is Buu Saga Goku, he's barely stronger than CG Gohan. M8 Broly is a lot weaker so I still don't see how Gohan couldn't win, exactly when they said The next villain is stronger than the one before(a few exceptions doesn't invalidate it) Bojack hasn't shown himself to be weaker than M8 Broly and M10 Broly showed himself to be stronger than Bojack. Sorry but yes it dose invalidate it. They made a statement which is completely false so way to get around that. This is also a goku that can turn ssj3 pretty easily in other world as well so why would he be stressed about fighting broly? This goku is also superior to cell games gohan and he has pikkon who should be up there with him. So like i said i dont think gohan is far off from broly but buu saga goku would close that gap and having pikkon there ensures his victory and ssj3 even more so. So i dont see a reason for goku to sweat about having to take down broly. OK which one? Give me the statement. Sure you could say Goku can go SSJ3, but there's a few problems: -Bio Broly came out on July 9 1994, Whereas Goku first transformed into SSJ3 November 9 1994. You could say that SSJ3 appeared on the manga but then: -Goku says to Janemba after he transforms "You're the second person to push me this far", the first being Buu. so obviously, if M12 happens after M11 then Broly didn't force Goku to turn into SSJ3. Also Pikkon is strong but he's an ant compared to M10 Broly and SSJ2 Goku, he's an MSSJ level character. An ant? He one shot super perfect cell thats not a Ant in my book and enough power to fight broly. Goku just as strong as pikkon so again so sweat there. Again i said broly is stronger but not by a huge margin so these two being stronger then gohan should be around broly in power. You guys are the ones saying the next movie villian is stronger then the last so why do i have to cite that statement. Again garlic jr > guy from second movie Janamba > hirudagran Beerus > friza broly > bojack (Hatchiyack > bojack. Hatchiyack comparable to broly in power M8 not M10) Bio broly > meta cooler, 13, bojack, broly Ive even seen people argue that slug is superior to freiza which in turn makes him superior to cooler. But im not sure on this one. What else do you need to see that the statement about movie villians is a load s***. I honestly dont care if you have gohan stronger it dose not matter to me much i have them relatively close in power. But to ignore the statements in the Hatchiyack movie and to still argue the toei villian statement even when its proven false by toeis own movies is just absurd.



Notaka	May 27 2018, 07:53 PM Post #39
Always Wright Posts: 4,070 Group: Member Member #10,814 Joined: January 31, 2014 Country Algeria What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, JoJo no kimyou na bouken, One piece, currently reading Shaman King	StrenuousSpider An ant? He one shot super perfect cell thats not a Ant in my book and enough power to fight broly. Goku just as strong as pikkon so again so sweat there. Again i said broly is stronger but not by a huge margin so these two being stronger then gohan should be around broly in power. You guys are the ones saying the next movie villian is stronger then the last so why do i have to cite that statement. Again garlic jr > guy from second movie Janamba > hirudagran Beerus > friza broly > bojack (Hatchiyack > bojack. Hatchiyack comparable to broly in power M8 not M10) Bio broly > meta cooler, 13, bojack, broly Ive even seen people argue that slug is superior to freiza which in turn makes him superior to cooler. But im not sure on this one. What else do you need to see that the statement about movie villians is a load s*. I honestly dont care if you have gohan stronger it dose not matter to me much i have them relatively close in power. But to ignore the statements in the Hatchiyack movie and to still argue the toei villian statement even when its proven false by toeis own movies is just absurd. He one shot an unsuspecting and arguably suppressed SPC, and later during his fight against Goku he's shown to be himself even against him despite Goku being an SSJ. It doesn't make sense if Pikkon was SPC's level and thus two times Goku's strength. An SSJ tier character is an ant compared to SSJ2 level guys, you can't change that. He's probably just strong enough to turn the favor to Goku's side but that's about it. Goku would be getting more help from Perfect(and not Super Perfect) Cell. Garlic jr isn't > Wheelo, unless it's Garlic jr after the fight against Frieza which isn't a movie but is in the anime. Janemba > Hirudegarn is stated by toei themselves to be an exception to the rule, so not really a good argument. You can't say Beerus is a villain, plus his movie was made like, 20 years after the last one so probably not the same director. M10 Broly > Bojack >= Hatchiyack > M8 Broly??? What is wrong with it ? Logical to me. What kind of people say that Slug is stronger than Frieza? AFAIK, The slug movie happens before Goku vs Frieza in the anime, so he can't be the Goku that fought against Frieza, which logically makes him as strong as he was against Ginyu the one with a 90000 PL reading, hell it happens when Frieza is in his 2nd form. So Slug is stronger than 2nd Form Frieza and probably the third form, but he's definitely not stronger than Frieza. So of course Cooler is stronger than both of them. The only example that stands out is Bio-Broly, but as I said earlier, a few exceptions doesn't invalidate a rule. They were making the movies with this rule in mind; to make each villain stronger than the one before him. They just failed on Bio Broly,and Beerus' movie is 20 years after the last one so not the same team, that's all there is to it. Edited by Notaka**, May 27 2018, 07:54 PM.
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StrenuousSpider	May 27 2018, 08:26 PM Post #40
Posts: 2,085 Group: Member Member #13,372 Joined: July 11, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Notaka May 27 2018, 07:53 PM StrenuousSpider An ant? He one shot super perfect cell thats not a Ant in my book and enough power to fight broly. Goku just as strong as pikkon so again so sweat there. Again i said broly is stronger but not by a huge margin so these two being stronger then gohan should be around broly in power. You guys are the ones saying the next movie villian is stronger then the last so why do i have to cite that statement. Again garlic jr > guy from second movie Janamba > hirudagran Beerus > friza broly > bojack (Hatchiyack > bojack. Hatchiyack comparable to broly in power M8 not M10) Bio broly > meta cooler, 13, bojack, broly Ive even seen people argue that slug is superior to freiza which in turn makes him superior to cooler. But im not sure on this one. What else do you need to see that the statement about movie villians is a load s***. I honestly dont care if you have gohan stronger it dose not matter to me much i have them relatively close in power. But to ignore the statements in the Hatchiyack movie and to still argue the toei villian statement even when its proven false by toeis own movies is just absurd. He one shot an unsuspecting and arguably suppressed SPC, and later during his fight against Goku he's shown to be himself even against him despite Goku being an SSJ. It doesn't make sense if Pikkon was SPC's level and thus two times Goku's strength. An SSJ tier character is an ant compared to SSJ2 level guys, you can't change that. He's probably just strong enough to turn the favor to Goku's side but that's about it. Goku would be getting more help from Perfect(and not Super Perfect) Cell. Garlic jr isn't > Wheelo, unless it's Garlic jr after the fight against Frieza which isn't a movie but is in the anime. Janemba > Hirudegarn is stated by toei themselves to be an exception to the rule, so not really a good argument. You can't say Beerus is a villain, plus his movie was made like, 20 years after the last one so probably not the same director. M10 Broly > Bojack >= Hatchiyack > M8 Broly??? What is wrong with it ? Logical to me. What kind of people say that Slug is stronger than Frieza? AFAIK, The slug movie happens before Goku vs Frieza in the anime, so he can't be the Goku that fought against Frieza, which logically makes him as strong as he was against Ginyu the one with a 90000 PL reading, hell it happens when Frieza is in his 2nd form. So Slug is stronger than 2nd Form Frieza and probably the third form, but he's definitely not stronger than Frieza. So of course Cooler is stronger than both of them. The only example that stands out is Bio-Broly, but as I said earlier, a few exceptions doesn't invalidate a rule. They were making the movies with this rule in mind; to make each villain stronger than the one before him. They just failed on Bio Broly,and Beerus' movie is 20 years after the last one so not the same team, that's all there is to it. Everything ive listed with exceptions of garlic and slug and like i said about slug idk its just what ive seen people argue. Everything else is valid. BoG and RoF coming 20 years later means nothing. Beerus was not evil but he was the villian of that movie so yes its counts. Janamba still counts. Bio broly still counts. Hatchiyack still counts and has a power comparable to broly so it still counts. So yes if even one past movie character is stronger then a future one it invalidates the whole statement making it a false statement there is no way around that. Its a simple as it gets. Lssj broly >> ssj2 gohan >> ssj broly >(not by much) base gohan > base broly Thats a large multiplier take that with this. Lssj broly >> Ssj broly > Rssj broly > ssj goku And Hatchiyack >> ssj goku and gohan cell games Hatchiyack >= lssj broly A measly 2x stronger for gohan is not closing that gap nor is bojack who os far inferior to ssj2 gohan.



I'll Take This	May 27 2018, 10:37 PM Post #41
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Quote: Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves. Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. Quote: SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30. SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40 The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power. Quote: Cell, Broly and Bojack could all be in the same ballpark because Gohan's SSJ2 power is just absurd. Bojack and Cell did nothing close to Broly, FP PC got belted, Bojack was no different, in fact, Bojack FP is basically Cell FP, easily strong enough to beat he Z fighters, but no where near good enough like Broly did. SPC was the only one, but he wasn't doing to same job as Broly as he failed to tank like Broly. Broly was more absurd then Gohan. Quote: Movie 8 Broli is nowhere near Bojack or Cell... Takao Koyama indirectly tells us how the movies work when he says the next movie villain is stronger than the last.. Every movie follows an arc in the series and the Z senshi are stronger in every arc thus the villain is stronger too... Already proven It's a shame he also said that what it was supposedly meant to be but with Broly it wasn't the case because they couldn't find someone stronger nor did Bojack fight Goku. Bojack isn't stronger, nor does he have anything proving otherwise. Go actually present feats on who is stronger, rather then trying to downplay the Z fighters because you know Broly feats are better. Quote: Gohan was never said to train.. Stop distorting what was said Gohan said he powered up considerably, and done better in his base form then the SSJ kids who where shocked and wishing they could do what base Gohan did, so no, Gohan indeed powered up. Movies are alternative timelines, so they don't follow the canon series. Quote: Its bulp because you say so? Lol its sraed thus its fact The Harchiyacj movie is an excuse... Most of it is a video game and if goku mentions Broli then they are not CG becuase they are not in movie 8. They are pre cell games... That explains why Gohan is not SSjin 2.. trunks has short hair and he and Vegeta are ASSjin... Gohan is still in par with Trunks like in movie 8.. And all the atributes of the OVA are taken from the 10 days... Read this thread which should leave you no doubts Hatchiyack had the satan city sign at the end of the movie, meaning it was after Cell games, thus this whole what if theories thread is nonsense. Edited by I'll Take This, May 27 2018, 10:51 PM.



I'll Take This	May 27 2018, 10:53 PM Post #42
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Notaka May 27 2018, 06:46 PM StrenuousSpider May 27 2018, 05:23 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:21 PM Emmeth May 27 2018, 05:17 PM Pointer May 27 2018, 05:13 PM He flatout stated that " you are not the only one who got stronger since we met " How else can you misinterpret that line ? How else he got stronger if not by training Gohan is stronger than last time he faced Broly, but he's not at his strongest since Cell Games. I thought cell games never happened in that timeline .. correct me if i am wrong i havent seen m10 since ages He has ssj2 so it had to of happened. Pretty sure M8 also takes place in the time frame before the cell games that week or whatever it was. No I don't think M8 happens before the Cell games, based on the narrator's saying in the end, I just went and checked; he says this: "On Earth, it is the height of a calm spring." This wouldn't make sense if Cell was still there, and the movie can't happen after the Cell games since Goku is still alive and Gohan never went SSJ2 in the movie. M10 does take after Cell Games, so I guess M8 is in alternate universe where Cell got destroyed by Trunks/Vegeta before reaching perfection, and another M8 who actually took part before the Cell games, and the same Broly appeared in M10. The M8 Broly we saw isn't the same as M10 Broly, that's my theory. Also Goku was sent to deal with Broly alongside Pikkon and he didn't seem to be worrying or anything, so I guess Goku and Pikkon both can take on Broly with minimal efforts, and since this is Buu Saga Goku, he's barely stronger than CG Gohan. M8 Broly is a lot weaker so I still don't see how Gohan couldn't win, exactly when they said The next villain is stronger than the one before(a few exceptions doesn't invalidate it) Bojack hasn't shown himself to be weaker than M8 Broly and M10 Broly showed himself to be stronger than Bojack. M12 shows that all movies are connected as all the movies villains shown up in one place, except Broly but his dad was their. Cell games did happen



+ Pointer	May 28 2018, 07:18 AM Post #43
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	I'll Take This May 27 2018, 10:37 PM Quote: Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves. Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. Quote: SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30. SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40 The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Exactly thats what i said Suppressed broly pre lssj was said to be stronger than goku by goku himself. They thought the restrained form is the lssj . Even if we lowball goku and say he is only 50percent in m8 thaz means restrained broly is already stronger than 50 percent. And there is an lssj on top of that. He is very well perfect cell at full power if not more



I'll Take This	May 28 2018, 08:57 AM Post #44
Posts: 682 Group: Member Member #12,288 Joined: May 1, 2015	Pointer May 28 2018, 07:18 AM I'll Take This May 27 2018, 10:37 PM Quote: Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves. Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. Quote: SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30. SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40 The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Exactly thats what i said Suppressed broly pre lssj was said to be stronger than goku by goku himself. They thought the restrained form is the lssj . Even if we lowball goku and say he is only 50percent in m8 thaz means restrained broly is already stronger than 50 percent. And there is an lssj on top of that. He is very well perfect cell at full power if not more Way more then FP PC, considering M10 already shown SSJ to LSSJ is a bigger multiplier then SSJ to SSJ2 RSSJ (who destroyed the galaxy) was said by Goku and King kai to be stronger then Goku and the rest of the gang RSSJ ends up powering up big time before going LSSJ, which makes Vegeta s*s himself, Paragus told him to stop powering up If Goku was 50% then the numbers would be 50% Goku = 50 RSSJ Broly (Galaxy scene) = 60 (confirmed to be stronger) Full power Goku = 100 Cell against Goku = 110 Gohan = 115 Cell Games Full power RSSJ Broly = 120 (way bigger power up then Goku, shaked the planet and Paragus begged him not to go any further, made Z fighters s* themselves) FP PC = 170 (Bigger power up then before, shake the planet and shocked the Z fighters) SSj2 Gohan = 230 LSSJ Broly = More then 250 at least ( Tank 2 Masekos, even at 50% and each attack being more then a 2 x multiplier, (as shown against Nappa), that means that attack from Trunks and Gohan together would be over 180 at least, and Broly didn't even bother to look at it, plus M10 confirms SSJ to LSSJ > SSj to SSj2) Doesn't matter how you look at it, Broly is stronger then Gohan. Hatchiyack movie makes it clear on Broly limit in M8, basically 5 SSJ combined their attacks to overpower Hatchiyack but it was a beam struggle in the end. A SSj2 is only 2 x of SSJ, 5 SSJ attacks would be over 2x even that



+ Emmeth	May 28 2018, 09:09 AM Post #45
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	I'll Take This May 27 2018, 10:37 PM Quote: Goku vs Gohan during the Cell Games. Goku was already super drained when fighting Broly, so was the other Zet-senshi. Logic dictates they wouldn't have enough power to surpass Super Saiyan 2, which was at least 2x stronger then themselves. Piccolo shouldn't have enough power to make movie 4 Goku powered up to x 100 kaioken and one-shot giant slug, and 3 SSJ shouldn't give Goku so much power in GT that they make him more then enough power to go all the way to SSj4 and power up so much that he beats up syn shenron easily, same syn shenron who tank 10x kamehameha from SSj4 Goku previously. Plus the fact that Broly feats already suggest he is leagues greater then 2x from tanking Kamehameha point blank and tanking 2 masekos without even noticing it. Quote: SSJ Goku M8 - 15 LSSJ Broly - 22-23 SSJ Goku M8 (loaned powers) - possibly 30. SSJ Gohan (CG) - 18-20 SSJ2 Gohan (CG) - 36-40 The list makes no sense. RSSJ Broly was already stronger then MSSJ Goku and Gohan, and he powered up in that state before going LSSJ which made Vegeta shocked, according to your list, LSSJ is the weakest transformation in saiyan history, not even stronger then a mere power up, which is contradict in movie 10 where SSJ - LSSJ was shown to be much greater then SSJ - SSJ2. Another thing it makes no sense is show on earth did Goku only get 2x boost from 3 + Piccolo SSJ powers ? and they gave their SSJ powers because Vegeta SSJ aura came out when giving his power. Okay, so RSSJ Broly is stronger, or so you say. What multiplier do you have from SSJ to LSSJ?
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