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Jan 12 2018, 09:36 AM
Filler has two definitions. One is stuff made to stretch the show. The other is non-canon filler made by anime if it gets too close to what it's adapted from (ie the manga)

Super has fillers according to definition 1

Super has no fillers according to definition 2, as it is not an adaptation. Super anime is 100% original work with from Toriyama's manuscripts.

You could say it has canon fillers, but that sounds contradictory.

All in all, Super has unnecessary episodes but everything is canon in the show, even the 'fillers'.
Exactly. Filler can be canon and non-canon. Super has canon filler. DBZ had non-canon filler. Kai has canon filler.
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Jan 12 2018, 09:36 AM
Filler has two definitions. One is stuff made to stretch the show. The other is non-canon filler made by anime if it gets too close to what it's adapted from (ie the manga)

Super has fillers according to definition 1

Super has no fillers according to definition 2, as it is not an adaptation. Super anime is 100% original work with from Toriyama's manuscripts.

You could say it has canon fillers, but that sounds contradictory.

All in all, Super has unnecessary episodes but everything is canon in the show, even the 'fillers'.
I agree i dont use the filler for evidence these two mostly. I do use some if it dose not contradict something major or dose not make sense like number 1. It is a little cheery picking but not without good reasoning.

1. Now i dont use the baseball stuff as it puts Yamcha at well above universal durability. Now im not saying its not impossible as super has shown the others to be able to keep up with base goku and base goku is stronger then god goku from BoG. But this puts him closer to beerus and champa level then god or blue lol.

2. And the other i ignore in the Arial stuff as it has in show vegeta and whis breaking the 4th wall which they have never once done in the past.

I dont remember much other filler.
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Joseph Gomes
Jan 12 2018, 09:36 AM
Filler has two definitions. One is stuff made to stretch the show. The other is non-canon filler made by anime if it gets too close to what it's adapted from (ie the manga)

Super has fillers according to definition 1

Super has no fillers according to definition 2, as it is not an adaptation. Super anime is 100% original work with from Toriyama's manuscripts.

You could say it has canon fillers, but that sounds contradictory.

All in all, Super has unnecessary episodes but everything is canon in the show, even the 'fillers'.
I don't think Toriyamas manuscripts cover the Copy Vegeta arc etc... so filler?

He gives them a basic outline for the main arcs.

Universe 7 being second from last has nothing to do with the power levels of mortals within that universe.

Why would Beerus be impressed with Goku and Vegeta (before Goku got ssjg) if other universes have a bug who could have punched a hole through super Vegetto? The bug's whole shtick isn't even being particularly strong, he's just stealthy and hard to locate and yet he could make Super Vegetto look like nothing?

It's baffling to think universe 7 are walking around with such arrogant smugness that they are amongst the last two standing when a measly couple of years prior to now every other universe, even the bottom one, had mortals who could obliterate Majin Boo, ssj3 Goku and 'Ultimate' Gohan like it was nothing at all. They're lucky they got angel training and 17 started to fight poachers tbh. What were they doing before? Pull your finger out ssj2 Boo saga Goku. you've had 7 years and you're only slightly stronger than ssj2 kid Gohan and Cell and yet Piccolo can surpass ssjg in 6 months now and Cabba didn't even now about ssj but is above an experienced ssjg?
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Joseph Gomes
Jan 12 2018, 09:36 AM
Filler has two definitions. One is stuff made to stretch the show. The other is non-canon filler made by anime if it gets too close to what it's adapted from (ie the manga)

Super has fillers according to definition 1

Super has no fillers according to definition 2, as it is not an adaptation. Super anime is 100% original work with from Toriyama's manuscripts.

You could say it has canon fillers, but that sounds contradictory.

All in all, Super has unnecessary episodes but everything is canon in the show, even the 'fillers'.
I don't think Toriyamas manuscripts cover the Copy Vegeta arc etc... so filler?

He gives them a basic outline for the main arcs.

Universe 7 being second from last has nothing to do with the power levels of mortals within that universe.

Why would Beerus be impressed with Goku and Vegeta (before Goku got ssjg) if other universes have a bug who could have punched a hole through super Vegetto? The bug's whole shtick isn't even being particularly strong, he's just stealthy and hard to locate and yet he could make Super Vegetto look like nothing?

It's baffling to think universe 7 are walking around with such arrogant smugness that they are amongst the last two standing when a measly couple of years prior to now every other universe, even the bottom one, had mortals who could obliterate Majin Boo, ssj3 Goku and 'Ultimate' Gohan like it was nothing at all. They're lucky they got angel training and 17 started to fight poachers tbh. What were they doing before? Pull your finger out ssj2 Boo saga Goku. you've had 7 years and you're only slightly stronger than ssj2 kid Gohan and Cell and yet Piccolo can surpass ssjg in 6 months now and Cabba didn't even now about ssj but is above an experienced ssjg?
Well freiza is well above god teir in 4 months.
Since buu saga 17 got there.
In a few hours gohan got there.

Things that have stated put everyone god teir. Just because it makes Z look like a ant in comparison dose not mean we should ignore that base goku is well above god from BoG and is having trouble with some people. There is a particular theory that fixes all of this and i mean all of it but you know people tend to hate on it so much. The way i see it is either two base or everyone is above god now.

I find the head canon of two base better then the head Canon that there base power has been retcond.

While neither have evidence behind them what so ever one contradicts the whole show. making BoG and RoF goku completely smash everyone in the ToP in regards of power. While the other fixes majority of supers power issues.

Also i dont know how many times i need to say but the top 4 universes are only surprised about UI goku, Jiren, and kefla level of power and again saying they did bot know people like this existed in the smaller universes which implies they have people on those levels. So it may be by average power of the universe they have people stronger or equal to whats been shown in ToP so far. and overall are the stronger universes.
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Maybe the Ki-disorder wasn't too good for his intestines and just made him poop SSJG out again, unintentionally.

No two-base-theory or retcon needed. Just one coherent story without any further major inconcistencies.
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Maybe the Ki-disorder wasn't too good for his intestines and just made him poop SSJG out again.

No two-base-theory or retcon needed. Just one coherent story without any further major inconcistencies.
Well like i said it either everyone is god teir or you believe one of the two head Canons. I personally scale everyone to god with whats been shown. I honestly dont get why people think only goku or vegeta get out of nowhere power ups. But if i had to pick which to choose id choose two base instead of making goku and vegeta weaker then past selfs lol.
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Goku and Vegeta didn't get out of nowhere power ups. One went through a legendary saiyan god ritual and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with and the other had training from an angel and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with.

Goku and Vegeta's power ups actually make sense, it's everyone else who is the problem and actively undermine what Goku and Vegeta have had to do to get so strong.

Goku and Vegeta move into new territory and their power is explained but then suddenly everyone else needs to be somewhat relevant to than new power and just suddenly... are. It's like the writers think as long as they aren't as strong as Goku and Vegeta it makes sense. Well no because Piccolo has trained on Earth all of his life and suddenly is above ssjg? He may not be at the level of new godku even as a ssj but he still s***s on Z with no new training method, unlike Goku and Vegeta who have Whis. And Piccolo is just one of many characters doing this.
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Jan 13 2018, 01:27 AM
Goku and Vegeta didn't get out of nowhere power ups. One went through a legendary saiyan god ritual and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with and the other had training from an angel and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with.

Goku and Vegeta's power ups actually make sense, it's everyone else who is the problem and actively undermine what Goku and Vegeta have had to do to get so strong.

Goku and Vegeta move into new territory and their power is explained but then suddenly everyone else needs to be somewhat relevant to than new power and just suddenly... are. It's like the writers think as long as they aren't as strong as Goku and Vegeta it makes sense. Well no because Piccolo has trained on Earth all of his life and suddenly is above ssjg? He may not be at the level of new godku even as a ssj but he still s***s on Z with no new training method, unlike Goku and Vegeta who have Whis. And Piccolo is just one of many characters doing this.
But hasn't everyone else always actively undermined what Goku and Vegeta did?

The humans train under Kami for months and surpass Goku's years of training. The weakest of them in Chaiotzu literally is 3x stronger than Goku. Yajirobe at least 4x stronger. KRillin, Yamcha, and Tien could pluck him away.

THen we have krillins unlock taking him from below regular Goku at Nappa to more than what double or triple his quadruple kaioken at Vegeta or Vegeta's great ape for that matter in hours.

Have we mentioned that Gohan literally skyrockets past Goku at Raditz and in a year goes to a 4 digit fighter when Goku trained for most his teenage life to get 3 digits? We have Gohan surpass everyone again on Namek thanks to Guru. ANd we have him surpass Goku himself in the time chamber. Then there was him sitting down for 25 hours while a guy reads porn to buypass Goku and Vegeta after not training for 7 years of his life.

I can also cite how Vegeta trains his a*** of for ssj power, yet 17 and 18 are miles stronger than him without training. Then we have Piccolo get to ssj tier from 3 years of training, vastly surpassing the base saiyans and merging with Kami who was a low 4 figure guy and suddenly surpassing Vegeta's best level. We have Buu being abormaly strong with no training. We have the boys getting ssj from playing with one another.

Heck man the whole story of DBZ is an insult to the pride and hard work of Goku and Vegeta. They literally tell a story of hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard compared to their peers. They out work the others for power that comes easily to the others and have for the longest time when you see how much the others gain imitating them in a shorter time span
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Goku and Vegeta didn't get out of nowhere power ups. One went through a legendary saiyan god ritual and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with and the other had training from an angel and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with.

Goku and Vegeta's power ups actually make sense, it's everyone else who is the problem and actively undermine what Goku and Vegeta have had to do to get so strong.

Goku and Vegeta move into new territory and their power is explained but then suddenly everyone else needs to be somewhat relevant to than new power and just suddenly... are. It's like the writers think as long as they aren't as strong as Goku and Vegeta it makes sense. Well no because Piccolo has trained on Earth all of his life and suddenly is above ssjg? He may not be at the level of new godku even as a ssj but he still s***s on Z with no new training method, unlike Goku and Vegeta who have Whis. And Piccolo is just one of many characters doing this.
But hasn't everyone else always actively undermined what Goku and Vegeta did?

The humans train under Kami for months and surpass Goku's years of training. The weakest of them in Chaiotzu literally is 3x stronger than Goku. Yajirobe at least 4x stronger. KRillin, Yamcha, and Tien could pluck him away.

THen we have krillins unlock taking him from below regular Goku at Nappa to more than what double or triple his quadruple kaioken at Vegeta or Vegeta's great ape for that matter in hours.

Have we mentioned that Gohan literally skyrockets past Goku at Raditz and in a year goes to a 4 digit fighter when Goku trained for most his teenage life to get 3 digits? We have Gohan surpass everyone again on Namek thanks to Guru. ANd we have him surpass Goku himself in the time chamber. Then there was him sitting down for 25 hours while a guy reads porn to buypass Goku and Vegeta after not training for 7 years of his life.

I can also cite how Vegeta trains his a*** of for ssj power, yet 17 and 18 are miles stronger than him without training. Then we have Piccolo get to ssj tier from 3 years of training, vastly surpassing the base saiyans and merging with Kami who was a low 4 figure guy and suddenly surpassing Vegeta's best level. We have Buu being abormaly strong with no training. We have the boys getting ssj from playing with one another.

Heck man the whole story of DBZ is an insult to the pride and hard work of Goku and Vegeta. They literally tell a story of hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard compared to their peers. They out work the others for power that comes easily to the others and have for the longest time when you see how much the others gain imitating them in a shorter time span
I like a lot of this respond and even concord.

But Super, there is filler, but can we really determine filler compared to GT/Z and especially original DB?

Whiz and Bulma's early series escapades could be considered filler.

Some of the training, some of the younger Saiyans first appearance could be seen for scenes that had no need.

I see Super having enough action and suspense plus plot twists to surpass having to look for any canon or filler bulls***.

Really, the majority is quadron gatherings and team preparing.

Super is complex in the sense of it being where the series is finally focusing on main fighters ascensions and meaning in the universe.

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Goku and Vegeta didn't get out of nowhere power ups. One went through a legendary saiyan god ritual and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with and the other had training from an angel and was already an exceptionally strong saiyan to begin with.

Goku and Vegeta's power ups actually make sense, it's everyone else who is the problem and actively undermine what Goku and Vegeta have had to do to get so strong.

Goku and Vegeta move into new territory and their power is explained but then suddenly everyone else needs to be somewhat relevant to than new power and just suddenly... are. It's like the writers think as long as they aren't as strong as Goku and Vegeta it makes sense. Well no because Piccolo has trained on Earth all of his life and suddenly is above ssjg? He may not be at the level of new godku even as a ssj but he still s***s on Z with no new training method, unlike Goku and Vegeta who have Whis. And Piccolo is just one of many characters doing this.
But hasn't everyone else always actively undermined what Goku and Vegeta did?

The humans train under Kami for months and surpass Goku's years of training. The weakest of them in Chaiotzu literally is 3x stronger than Goku. Yajirobe at least 4x stronger. KRillin, Yamcha, and Tien could pluck him away.

THen we have krillins unlock taking him from below regular Goku at Nappa to more than what double or triple his quadruple kaioken at Vegeta or Vegeta's great ape for that matter in hours.

Have we mentioned that Gohan literally skyrockets past Goku at Raditz and in a year goes to a 4 digit fighter when Goku trained for most his teenage life to get 3 digits? We have Gohan surpass everyone again on Namek thanks to Guru. ANd we have him surpass Goku himself in the time chamber. Then there was him sitting down for 25 hours while a guy reads porn to buypass Goku and Vegeta after not training for 7 years of his life.

I can also cite how Vegeta trains his a*** of for ssj power, yet 17 and 18 are miles stronger than him without training. Then we have Piccolo get to ssj tier from 3 years of training, vastly surpassing the base saiyans and merging with Kami who was a low 4 figure guy and suddenly surpassing Vegeta's best level. We have Buu being abormaly strong with no training. We have the boys getting ssj from playing with one another.

Heck man the whole story of DBZ is an insult to the pride and hard work of Goku and Vegeta. They literally tell a story of hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard compared to their peers. They out work the others for power that comes easily to the others and have for the longest time when you see how much the others gain imitating them in a shorter time span
I agree somewhat with what you're saying but those old inconsistencies don't automatically excuse the new ones, can't writers think of something better these days than "well they've done things that don't make sense before, so let's keep doing that." Why is that good enough and not open to criticism? Besides, it's a matter of extremes, a lot of those instances can be explained away with a little headcanon and just shrugged off because it isn't as severe as surpassing a warrior who is above ssj3 Vegetto after everything in Z BY MILES. There's never been a closing of a gap anything like this extreme and the difference is at the end of Z we were shown their methods and potential were petering out now that they had all of this experience and were up against a primordal universe ending threat. But every other universe has casual mortals who probably part time as space postmen who are above Majin Boo?

Dragon Ball's power scale jump to Z makes sense, Goku hadn't fought anyone outside his own planet in a massive universe. But now we have 12 universes and there's not really much logic to Universe 7 being bottom tier for mortal power when the saiyans are meant to be an exceptional fighting race and Goku and Vegeta are far stronger than any saiyan who has ever lived. Then you have their hybrid sons, a fused namekian and the earthlings having exceptional power because they are trying to keep up with these extraordinary fighters. Not to mention other universe's fighters have had but one lifetime to garner this power, Goku and Vegeta have both been wished back twice!

Gohan has hybrid potential and power linked to his emotions, this is explained upon his introduction.

The human's Kami training is more effective because they have each other to spar with whereas Goku was alone, same for King Kai.

Guru's power up can be significant. Why not? It's a new, unprecedented method of getting stronger.

100gs

Zenkais are cool and make sense.

Piccolo fused with another powerful warrior namekian, this boost can be whatever as again, it's a new method of powering up. This can also open up a whole new realm of potential for him, hence his gains in the 3 years.

300gs

17 and 18 are a bit outlandish but we know they're bio-enhanced. I just see them as Cell mark 1 now, in that they have their DNA infused with the DNA of powerful fighters who have been to Earth. Headcanony I know but it makes me more comfortable with it and i makes sense just fine. Then their infinite energy could have been used as a method of 'charging up' 19, 20 and 16.

Kami is the 'bigger half' of Piccolo. Upon fusing it's like a young version of Kami having had all of Piccolo's training is remerging with Piccolo. Not as he is as a crusty old man, it's like he's had Piccolo's reincarnation and been through all his training himself.

The ROSAT kind of comes out of nowhere but it is a new training method and the extreme heat and cold are new elements. Perhaps they would have died if they'd attempted it before now.

Then 7 years. 7 years and Goku and Vegeta are slightly stronger than Gohan against Cell... so what at most Goku probably less than doubled his base power... in Otherworld... without a body to weigh him down... with sparring partners who ad been training for millennia... with a kai who can summon weights and is a great trainer...

Then in Super the ritual makes sense as a new power source for Goku and the angel training also makes sense as Whis is a new master with unprecedented knowledge about god ki and training methods.

Freeza was born with 120,00,000? Okay, I can buy his power up then... just about.

Then Piccolo trains on Earth for about 6 months and seems like he's above BOG base Godku? Super makes no effort at all to explain any of this.

If the 6,10, 15 scale can be retconned after the movie and the arc still has Beerus claim he's using 10% and 70%, which obviously is because the arc is still following the movie but then this scale is discarded for a new one suddenly, then why is base Goku absorbed god ki and is ssjg level and ssj3 Vegetto <<< ssjg still unquestionable based on feats? Based on feats it's very questionable, just like new material after shows Beerus is not a 10 to Godku's 6. Why are we sticking to that scaling of base godku but whilst simultaneously throwing out 6,10,15? Hasn't it all been thrown into question?

The manga arguably has more consistency as it has one writer and more interaction between Toriyama and Toyble and it throws out the base Goku = Godku thing.
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Then Piccolo trains on Earth for about 6 months and seems like he's above BOG base Godku? Super makes no effort at all to explain any of this.
You're referencing Piccolo vs Frost, right? Well, what makes you think Piccolo is above base Goku then? All Piccolo did was charge a ki blast. Nothing more. I can see Piccolo still being roughly in Buu Arc levels of power in that fight.

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If the 6,10, 15 scale can be retconned after the movie and the arc still has Beerus claim he's using 10% and 70%, which obviously is because the arc is still following the movie but then this scale is discarded for a new one suddenly, then why is base Goku absorbed god ki and is ssjg level and ssj3 Vegetto <<< ssjg still unquestionable based on feats? Based on feats it's very questionable, just like new material after shows Beerus is not a 10 to Godku's 6. Why are we sticking to that scaling of base godku but whilst simultaneously throwing out 6,10,15? Hasn't it all been thrown into question?

It's not been thrown into question for me. There's multiple scenes that show base Goku and Vegeta being monsters. Not just the Copy Vegeta>SSJ3 Gotenks scene, but also recently in the ToP base Goku was giving SSJ2 Caulifla a run for her money until she awakened more of her power and forced him to transform.

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The manga arguably has more consistency as it has one writer and more interaction between Toriyama and Toyble and it throws out the base Goku = Godku thing.
Toyotaro had Vegeta fail to deadlift 1,000 tons. Scaling Goku's 40 tons feat in the Buu saga, SSJ1 Buu arc goku would top out at 2,000 tons. Toyotaro is inconsistent too.
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Toyble only has more consistency because he copped out and didn’t touch RoF. It’s easy to say he’s consistent when he skips a whole arc and doesn’t have to show the z fighters, Gohan, Frieza, Goku, or Vegeta fight except for a little blurb when he jumps arcs. He was scared of that power scale and dodged it all together


And even then the scale of Trunks - Goku - Vegeta is wonky as hell when ssj2 Vegeta slaughters ssj Black.

That arc jump is going to make his ToP wonky though. He has to explain why Krillin is walking around head shaved and fight ready but retired. Why Gohan who hasn’t appeared for multiple chapters will suddenly get and/or surpass his old level again unlike in the anime where he was training.
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When it comes to the seemingly asinine growth rates of characters in short periods of time I'm compelled back to asking what the general sentiment is on some of the other unaddressed truths of the show. Like for instance, Vegeta admits to himself in episode 2 of Super that Goku is the strongest in the universe.

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Does anyone seek to challenge the validity of that posit like they do with other characters? Gohan's potential was unleashed and then stacked multifold by the Elder Kaioshin. The generally held belief is that Gohan was the strongest unfused fighter at the end of the Buu arc. So why is it that Goku is being declared the strongest? What is Gohan, chopped liver? For Goku to have surpassed his son between the Buu and BoG arcs he would have had to have increased his power hundreds of times over. Since the Buu arc, Goku has only been allowed to train in-between his agricultural duties. He only got the chance to work out on King Kai's at the end of the first episode. You're telling me Goku multiplied his already massive power by hundreds of times through a scant method of punches and kicks out in the woods? That kind of training was superseded by more efficient methods as early back as the 21st tournament arc; and people criticise Piccolo for having ridiculous gains.
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It seems like Vegeta picks and chooses when to consider Gohan an actual fighter.
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When it comes to the seemingly asinine growth rates of characters in short periods of time I'm compelled back to asking what the general sentiment is on some of the other unaddressed truths of the show. Like for instance, Vegeta admits to himself in episode 2 of Super that Goku is the strongest in the universe.

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Does anyone seek to challenge the validity of that posit like they do with other characters? Gohan's potential was unleashed and then stacked multifold by the Elder Kaioshin. The generally held belief is that Gohan was the strongest unfused fighter at the end of the Buu arc. So why is it that Goku is being declared the strongest? What is Gohan, chopped liver? For Goku to have surpassed his son between the Buu and BoG arcs he would have had to have increased his power hundreds of times over. Since the Buu arc, Goku has only been allowed to train in-between his agricultural duties. He only got the chance to work out on King Kai's at the end of the first episode. You're telling me Goku multiplied his already massive power by hundreds of times through a scant method of punches and kicks out in the woods? That kind of training was superseded by more efficient methods as early back as the 21st tournament arc; and people criticise Piccolo for having ridiculous gains.
Gohan had not trained for 3 years and in the later arcs was shown to not have 'ultimate' at all.

Even in the movie the poster originally had Gohan as ssj but they changed it after fans complained but you don't have to have Gohan using it in BOG, you can arguably just say he's using his base form like he does in the arc I believe. I don't think his bang descends at all in the arc.

I have Gohan about 5 times stronger than ssj3 Goku at the closing of the Boo saga as that's as minimal as I can get the difference to be and only by really not paying heed to Piccolo thinking base Gotenks stands a chance against Super Boo, I think that's just a gag more than anything to make Piccolo seem like a hopeful fool.

This is sort of my point, initial character statements <<< feats later on in the arc

Piccolo may have said that but ssj3 Goku does not seem to have been surpassed hundreds of fold over at the end of the arc, so it must have either changed or been a misrepresentation to begin with.
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