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Could hit have killed jiren?; What if he attack jiren heart instead of time cage?
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Topic Started: Jan 6 2018, 11:19 AM (901 Views)
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Amerson26
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Jan 6 2018, 11:19 AM
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What if he attack jiren heart instead of time cage? I feel like they didn't do it that way because that would had ruined the character development for jiren. Because still want see so much more of him. So I can see why they went that route. But if hit would had pull that off every universe would have a chance.
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Jan 6 2018, 11:27 AM
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No because Jiren was way too strong for him. Jiren was able to dispel his strongest attack, was able to overpower him in combat despite Hit abusing his timeskip. I doubt Hit would be able to land a hit on his heart, much less affect him.
also I thought he did attack his heart at one point no?
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Amerson26
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Jan 6 2018, 11:36 AM
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- Jan 6 2018, 11:27 AM
No because Jiren was way too strong for him. Jiren was able to dispel his strongest attack, was able to overpower him in combat despite Hit abusing his timeskip. I doubt Hit would be able to land a hit on his heart, much less affect him.
also I thought he did attack his heart at one point no? Lmao yeah he did hit his heart that's how he was able to used time cage. But he didn't attack it. He used it once as a decoy to get behind jiren and used time cage. But if he would had just attack his heart instead of time cage that would had put him down for sure. Jiren is strong but that don't mean his heart is invincible .
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Jan 6 2018, 11:39 AM
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No because Jiren was way too strong for him. Jiren was able to dispel his strongest attack, was able to overpower him in combat despite Hit abusing his timeskip. I doubt Hit would be able to land a hit on his heart, much less affect him.
also I thought he did attack his heart at one point no?
Lmao yeah he did hit his heart that's how he was able to used time cage. But he didn't attack it. He used it once as a decoy to get behind jiren and used time cage. But if he would had just attack his heart instead of time cage that would had put him down for sure. Jiren is strong but that don't mean his heart is invincible . Heart is a muscle. No doubt that its weaker then the rest of him if attacked but id say since he is stronger then first UI which is way above x20 which is alot above normal blue which is were hits power lays then i dont think even a attack to the hurt from hit woulf do anything.
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Jan 6 2018, 12:07 PM
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No because Jiren was way too strong for him. Jiren was able to dispel his strongest attack, was able to overpower him in combat despite Hit abusing his timeskip. I doubt Hit would be able to land a hit on his heart, much less affect him.
also I thought he did attack his heart at one point no?
Lmao yeah he did hit his heart that's how he was able to used time cage. But he didn't attack it. He used it once as a decoy to get behind jiren and used time cage. But if he would had just attack his heart instead of time cage that would had put him down for sure. Jiren is strong but that don't mean his heart is invincible . No he wouldn't, when has an attack to the heart killed an opponent literally dozens of time stronger ? Jiren would barely feel it.
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Jan 6 2018, 06:36 PM
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How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
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Amerson26
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Jan 6 2018, 10:59 PM
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- superperfectnerd
- Jan 6 2018, 06:36 PM
How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules. Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave.
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Jan 6 2018, 11:08 PM
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- superperfectnerd
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How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave. Lets say suppressed jiren and first UI goku are only 5 times blue x20 that puts the jiren that fought hit 100x stronger then hit. If jirens chest was open and his heart was visible and we let Hit hit him as hard as he could nothing would happen the power difference is to great for hit to even scratch jirens heart. And that power difference is me low balling.
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Jan 6 2018, 11:14 PM
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- StrenuousSpider
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How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave.
Lets say suppressed jiren and first UI goku are only 5 times blue x20 that puts the jiren that fought hit 100x stronger then hit. If jirens chest was open and his heart was visible and we let Hit hit him as hard as he could nothing would happen the power difference is to great for hit to even scratch jirens heart. And that power difference is me low balling. Hit abilities is obviously different from what other fighters do. If Goku try to used the same move hit used on him he can't because his abilities is hax. Only do it no one else. Despite Goku being in Ssj blue hit blast shock wave went through Goku body. Goku didn't feel it until it connected to his heart.
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StrenuousSpider
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Jan 6 2018, 11:17 PM
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- superperfectnerd
- Jan 6 2018, 06:36 PM
How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave.
Lets say suppressed jiren and first UI goku are only 5 times blue x20 that puts the jiren that fought hit 100x stronger then hit. If jirens chest was open and his heart was visible and we let Hit hit him as hard as he could nothing would happen the power difference is to great for hit to even scratch jirens heart. And that power difference is me low balling.
Hit abilities is obviously different from what other fighters do. If Goku try to used the same move hit used on him he can't because his abilities is hax. Only do it no one else. Despite Goku being in Ssj blue hit blast shock wave went through Goku body. Goku didn't feel it until it connected to his heart. And goku is not 100x Hit while suppressed. You are baseing this all on hits haxed abilities. When all he dose is use a ki blast to the heart nothing special. The only special thing about Hit is time skip/cage thats it. Its not a hax to attack someones heart. Not to mention jiren broke hits most haxed ability.
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Jan 7 2018, 12:30 AM
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- StrenuousSpider
- Jan 6 2018, 11:17 PM
- Amerson26
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How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave.
Lets say suppressed jiren and first UI goku are only 5 times blue x20 that puts the jiren that fought hit 100x stronger then hit. If jirens chest was open and his heart was visible and we let Hit hit him as hard as he could nothing would happen the power difference is to great for hit to even scratch jirens heart. And that power difference is me low balling.
Hit abilities is obviously different from what other fighters do. If Goku try to used the same move hit used on him he can't because his abilities is hax. Only do it no one else. Despite Goku being in Ssj blue hit blast shock wave went through Goku body. Goku didn't feel it until it connected to his heart.
And goku is not 100x Hit while suppressed. You are baseing this all on hits haxed abilities. When all he dose is use a ki blast to the heart nothing special. The only special thing about Hit is time skip/cage thats it. Its not a hax to attack someones heart. Not to mention jiren broke hits most haxed ability. Jiren only broke it because hit got close enough for him to do so. Yes jiren would had escape soon or later but it would had took longer for him to get out if hit didn't put his chips on the table and charge him. Hit underestimated jiren glare shield. Hit could have held jiren longer just not until the end of the tournament. But besides that jiren was struggling to move he could barely get his arm up. Hit just took a risk and lost it all. There's nothing Team could had did because of jiren glare.
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Jan 7 2018, 05:10 AM
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There have been so few times where a person's internal organs have been open and vulnerable on this show. Personally, I think we kind of already saw how external implements apply to an incredibly strong fighter's innards when Roshi used an anesthetising spray to incapacitate Tien during the King Piccolo arc. Gases and chemicals like that would be inhaled through the nose and/or mouth before entering the blood stream and traveling throughout the body to areas like the spine, muscle tissues, and brain - their interaction with specific cells isn't quite known but neurotransmitters would be effected so as to reduce sensation in the body. You also have Frost's poison chemical having a near instant effect on beings that are many, many times stronger than he is. His chemical attack might operate in any number of ways but it seems to travel via the bloodstream, perhaps to the brain where it interacts with brain cells.
If power levels dictated absolutely the resilience of internal organs and cells right down to the ions then the fighters wouldn't just have amazing external durability, not even poisons would have an effect on them.
Hit's attack would have probably killed Jiren, in my opinion. The Shunken Ensatsu is intended to pressurise and fatally damage the heart. He may not have even needed that to defeat Jiren. Pressure points struck at the appropriate places can be very detrimental to things like your circulatory system, motor functions, and brain functioning. It's why Hit has conceivably one of the most dangerous fighting styles in the series. You can't build up your nerves or your jugular notch from direct trauma in the same sense as your torso muscles or legs. The eyes wouldn't be off-limits either if Toei was trying to render Hit's Dim Mak in a consistently accurate interpretation from the real world concept.
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Jan 7 2018, 05:18 AM
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It was mentioned repeatedly that Hit wasn't at his best as he couldn't use his killing techniques and then another tournament comes along, where the stakes are erasure and he is still nerfed. It'd have been cool if everyone was getting battered by Jiren in the final fight, including Hit but the tournament allowed killing and the assassin manages to get his killer strike in and kill Jiren. Trap him in a cage of time and then just pulverise his heart. Hit really could beat anyone.
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Jan 7 2018, 02:57 PM
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- Jan 6 2018, 06:36 PM
How do we even know if Jiren's heart is in the same place as a human's? Or if he doesn't have multiple hearts? Or he may not have one at all.
I think Hit was trying to kill him at first, all or nothing with the universe on the line, a disqualification for killing Jiren wouldn't be so bad as long as it was just Hit disqualified and not his whole universe.
Also if somebody killed and cheated then wouldn't one of the angels just rewind time and then step in, stop Hit from killing Jiren and disqualify Hit? Then Jiren would still be in and Hit out for breaking the rules.
Angels wouldn't do that they just watch not interfere. And if hit was trying kill him he would have instead of time cage. Jiren on the other hand has no reason to kill hit because it would disqualify him. And that punch hit did was in the spot of jiren heart but he used time cage instead of the heart shock wave.
Lets say suppressed jiren and first UI goku are only 5 times blue x20 that puts the jiren that fought hit 100x stronger then hit. If jirens chest was open and his heart was visible and we let Hit hit him as hard as he could nothing would happen the power difference is to great for hit to even scratch jirens heart. And that power difference is me low balling.
Hit abilities is obviously different from what other fighters do. If Goku try to used the same move hit used on him he can't because his abilities is hax. Only do it no one else. Despite Goku being in Ssj blue hit blast shock wave went through Goku body. Goku didn't feel it until it connected to his heart.
And goku is not 100x Hit while suppressed. You are baseing this all on hits haxed abilities. When all he dose is use a ki blast to the heart nothing special. The only special thing about Hit is time skip/cage thats it. Its not a hax to attack someones heart. Not to mention jiren broke hits most haxed ability.
Jiren only broke it because hit got close enough for him to do so. Yes jiren would had escape soon or later but it would had took longer for him to get out if hit didn't put his chips on the table and charge him. Hit underestimated jiren glare shield. Hit could have held jiren longer just not until the end of the tournament. But besides that jiren was struggling to move he could barely get his arm up. Hit just took a risk and lost it all. There's nothing Team could had did because of jiren glare. jiren broke it plain and simple nothing what so ever says that jiren only broke it because hit charged. And jiren glare is just his power. It was said awhile back he has insane control that he can direct his ki with his stare instead of hands the glare is not some amping attack. there is absolutely nothing Hit could do to hurt jiren.
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